Conservatism is ruining our country.

[adigal]

I just got back from a trip to the deluded land of the Free Republic, where they still think that a majority of Americans would support a nominee like Janice Rogers Brown, a woman who spoke of the New Deal as a socialist program. That's right, folks, they think that the majority of Americans think that social security, medicare, minimum wages and employment laws are a bad thing and should be removed by a "strict constructionist." Now remember, in the original, the Constitution did not even assure women and minorities the right to vote, and they want the original. Why, Clarence Thomas would have to leave the Supreme Court if he got his way!!!

I would love to see some of our Dems take these ideas on directly and talk about why Conservatism is bad for our country. Some of my ideas:

- Conservatives hate government; therefore, they dismantle it and it is ineffective and weak. Look at the debacles after the hurricanes.
- Conservatives hate the middle and lower classes - they want to cut college loan programs, yet keep the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and the richest corporations
- Conservatives love to borrow money from other countries to give tax cuts to the wealthy and corporation. Look at what has happened under Bush, a conservative.

I am hoping some of you can add to this, and I will email it to our wonderful senators and congresspeople. Maybe they will utilize some of the ideas from the grassroots.

[sarcasmo]

1. Evangelical Conservatism is ruining our country. IMHO

[Union Thug]

4. I agree... So long as people believe that there is...

pie in the sky when you die, they are more willing to accept the injustices intrinsic to conservatism as part of God's plan and that their suffering in this world will yield rewards in the next.

In my opinion, get rid of the fantasy thinking, get pissed off and fight these bastards mercilessly.

[maxsolomon]

2. conservatism has ALWAYS been ruining our country

we talk a big Freedom, we just don't want to walk the talk.

[Cactus44]

3. I know this has been brought up here befoe, but it's important enough to

repeat.

Those people at FR are *NOT* conservatives. Don't let them tell you they are. They're NOT.

I really don't have a problem with conservatives who love their country and want it to prosper. They don't do any of the things on your list. Those shitheads at FR are a totally different animal however and are beneath our contempt.

[adigal]

5. Yes you are right

but since conservatism has allowed these right wingnuts to take over their party, we should hang these freepers around their necks, like a dog with a dead chicken around his neck.

[MissMarple]

6. These people are not conservatives, they are extremist ideologues...

and dangerous radicals. Conservatives are conservative within the liberal tradition, these radicals, however, hate the Constitution's focus on the individual and on the general welfare. The freepers are the please fool me all of the time people who think the voracious rich and the conscienceless corporations act in our best interests.

George Bush is no conservative, he is a vile predator who compromises the very American values he pretends to support.

[bridgit]

20. ee-yup...

:hi:

[sui generis]

7. they steal everything, even the word "conservative"

Technically, we are the "conservatives". We want to conserve the environment, our health, the wellbeing and welfare of people less fortunate than ourselves, our foreign alliances and standing. We want to conserve our freedoms by declaring what our rights ARE, not what they AREN'T (as with constitutional marriage amendments).

But, going with the flow and theft, a SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE, is someone who believes in things that don't exist in any measurable way:

1. Faith-based (your pork spending goes here)_______________
2. Gay Marriage is a threat to Traditional Marriage (huh?)
3. The America of Leave it to Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet
4. The deservedness of poverty to the wicked and slothful
5. "Freedoms" in Iraq
6. The unabated oppression of white males
7. The unabated oppression of christians by non-believers
8. The unabated oppression of good conservatives by evil liberals
9. etc. etc., (just realized I actually had about 200 things for this list, and to stop)

[400Years]

8. conservativism is just thievery dressed up as ideology

as they say, "there is no there there"

[tex-wyo-dem]

9. The "conservatives" you describe can more acurately be described as...

fascists and corporatists.

[TexasLawyer]

10. A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN

My favorite anti-Freeper parable... This has been floating around on the internet for a while, but in case anyone has missed it, here it is:

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of Joe's medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath.

The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

After work this evening, Joe plans to visit his father at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

Joe is happy to see his father, who is now retired and lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.

Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

[MissMarple]

12. And Joe graduated from a public school taught by smart women and even

some men, because the teachers' unions fought for a living wage and benefits for teachers that kept many more women in education who other wise would have gone into medicine, law, accounting, and other fields when the girls finally cut the apron strings and the barefoot and pregnant mantra in the 60's and 70's.

[No Exit]

14. Wow, that's really good. A "Joe Republican" I know

provides further examples:

Joe and his family, whose rural home the hurricane damaged, have food stamps because some weenie liberal thought people shouldn't starve in this bountiful country, even if they were the victims of disaster.

Before the hurricane, Joe's grandchildren received WIC benefits because some atheist liberal had the ridiculous idea that babies should be given a chance even if their mother is a mentally deranged teenaged girl who is the daughter of a clueless, ineducable, republican.

Joe and his family are tens of thousands of dollars in debt on credit cards because his republican gods have for years been allowing credit card companies to charge ridiculously usurious interest rates.

Joe received Pell grants to attend college because some limousine liberal decided that even kids whose father dies early from alcoholism should be given a chance at higher education.

[No Exit]

15. Maybe you should consider making this post an independent thread!

Oh, and I have to add something about my very own "Joe Republican":

Joe hates lawyers--even the ones that got SSI for his deranged, irresponsible, daughter, the ones that got him a divorce from the deranged woman he was foolish enough to marry, the ones that helped him keep custody of said daughter when her insane mother tried to take her away and abuse/neglect her, and the ones who are trying to hold companies accountable for knowingly building faulty levees which failed to protect the city of Joe's birth.

[TexasLawyer]

16. as a lawyer, I have to say

I especially like this addition!

[No Exit]

17. I once got in trouble at a Bush I rally.

Yes, I admit it. I went to a campaign appearance by George H.W. Bush. Even took my toddler, so he could "see the president".

At one point, Our Hero made reference to "trial lawyers who bring multiple lawsuits". I couldn't resist: I yelled out, "How many people have YOU sued??" I knew a business bigwig like Bush I has to have made good use of lawyers and lawsuits, routinely.

The people around me got all rabid. It was hilarious. But I stayed.

I guess that might be where the first seed of doubt about the Bushes took hold. I had not followed their filthy careers. I've learned a lot since then.

[Beer Snob-50]

11. generally, the righties in office right now are not

conservative. these deficets are making their heads spin and no true conservative would have gone after terry schivao like these losers did.

[No Exit]

13. I wouldn't call it conservatism, but whatever it is, it IS ruining our

country. (I would call it "crime".)

[tjwash]

18. “ I- me - my - mine”.

That's what conservatism boils down to.

[Iris]

19. or, simply put, "People who don't be live in government should not govern"