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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:18 PM
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Will GAO revelations about the stolen elections give a Dem the throne?
Why wasn't the 2000 election the focus of the GAO investigation/decision?

This may be a long shot scenario but I just wonder if this new revelation about the illegitimate election will be used at some point to legally remove Bush from office and replace him with the truly elected prez? If that's the case, then by focusing on the 2004 rather than the 2000 election, it would give us Kerry rather than Gore.

So that is why I'm asking the question about why the 2000 election which had just as much corruption involved with it...if not more...is not the focus of these investigations?




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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:22 PM
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1. No...
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 05:22 PM by Vyan
The best we can hope for is that we can use this info and make it a serious issue during to 2006 elections -- they can't rig them all.

Vyan
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mpendragon Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:22 PM
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2. no, i don't think it will
It will take a lot more work. Florida 2000 was a partisan mess and Bush took it with a solid majority in 2004.

Machine problems in Ohio 2004 didn't make much more than a minor stir in the national media. We'll need to catch them (the highest levels of leadership) actually organizing something very blatant and very nasty in an election. It will need to be something that can't be ignored.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:26 PM
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5. So the GAO's findings are not enough? Why not?
I just don't know what kind of legal arguments/requirements would need to be presented to return the throne to the one who had it stolen from him. Or perhaps that outcome isn't even legally possible....
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mpendragon Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 07:23 PM
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7. they still don't have a smoking gun
As bad as it looks it still won't stick to them.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:23 PM
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3. NO. It's been way too long ago.
The GAO report might be able to be used in campaigns to help win, but there will be NO immediate changes made.

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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:24 PM
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4. It strengthens the argument for audit trails and checks on the machines
It may help us get reasonably fair elections by 2006 or 2008, but I don't think it's going to change any past results.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:31 PM
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6. Much as I wish the GAO Report would turn the tide as we think it should
For some reason, many otherwise intelligent people just can't believe the Bush administration would or could actually get away with stealing elections. It is frustrating, especially when so many of us were tracking the many irregularities as they occurred. Here's a really good analysis of the problem.

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Why can't the left face the Stolen Elections of 2004 & 2008?
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
October 18, 2005

If some of its key publications are any indicator, much of the American left seems unable to face the reality that the election of 2004 was stolen. So in all likelihood, unless something radical is done, 2008 will be too.

Misguided and misinformed articles in both TomPaine.com and Mother Jones Magazine indicate a dangerous inability to face the reality that these stolen elections mean nothing less than the death of what's left of American democracy, and the permanent enthronement of the Rovian GOP.

As investigative reporters based in Columbus, Ohio, we witnessed first-hand, up close and personal, exactly how the 2004 election was stolen, and how it will most likely be done in 2008. In the precinct in which Harvey Wasserman grew up, and in the one where Bob Fitrakis now lives, we saw the well-funded, profoundly cynical and deadly effective mechanisms by which the Bush-Cheney-Rove-Blackwell GOP machine switched a victory for John Kerry to an easily-repeatable defeat for democracy.

Lots more follows at
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1502
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