If Roe v. Wade overturned, what do they plan to do with unwanted babies?

[prolesunited]

So, if their wildest dreams come true and women are forced to have children they don't want and/or are unable to care for, what happens to them.

Children are abandoned, beaten, abused and even killed every day already. Funding for housing, medical care and food continues to be the target of budget cuts

So, what happens to all these children?.

[texpatriot2004]

1. and butchered women? nm

[OKthatsIT]

17. and teenage suicides

[ThoughtCriminal]

2. War can solve that - nt

[kenny blankenship]

10. War and the Chair

they're either kneeling before Crosses or nailing people to them--frequently both.

[Erika]

3. The right wing wackos can't see beyond their noses

Giving birth and spitting on gays, and doing away with euthanasia is all they care about. Other than tax cuts for the rich. They believe in a very shallow God.

[uppityperson]

4. Once they are born, the parents automatically become wonderful

Sort of like looking at a little kitten and thinking "awww". Alternatively, all babies will be wanted, no one will get pregnant without wanting to. See? I don't either.

Besides, women getting abortions are not necessarily the ones that beat, abandon, abuse and even kill their children. They are people like me, maybe like you.

And what would happen if I were to get pregnant, give birth to a down's-syndrome baby and then only be around another 20 yrs (at most) before I die. What would happen to that child? Or if I were to die, giving birth to this down's syndrome baby and my husband then were a single parent for the next 20 yrs before dieing and then what would happen to this child?

[prolesunited]

27. I didn't mean to imply

women who would chose abortion would abuse their children. I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was just trying to make the point that far too many of the children we already have are not cared for well.

[uppityperson]

34. No problem, I just have heard this from others

babies are only unwanted by crack-heads, or sex slaves, or immature or unwed or unable to keep/have a job, or street people, or people who would abuse their unwanted babies/children. I like to remind people occasionally that it will affect people like me, normal (?) people unable to afford a safe illegal abortion as well as the more underpriveleged.

I agree that many of the children we have in the world are not cared for well either and, while I believe in choice, those like that couple who made the news last wk for producing (16?) kids have a problem. Hey, if god wanted you to have more kids, adopt them! That's my prejudice. Peace

[waiting for hope]

5. I posted something similar

a month or two back...... the cost to the already overburdened state and federal social services would be mind blowing. If, and by God I hope it doesn't happen, it does get overturned, I think all pregnant woman who would have chosen an abortion need to knock on every fundie door and say, "since my right to chose" has been stolen from me, please give me the estimated $150,000 it will take to raise it." Wouldn't that piss them off?

[Bjornsdotter]

6. Why all of the Pro-lifers...

...would step right up and adopt these children. Right? Just like they do now....yeah right.

A bigger bunch of hypocrites I have yet to meet.

Cheers.

[prolesunited]

24. They'll adopt the white ones

There is a shortage of those.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

37. Cute white ones in good health with teenage cheerleader birth moms.

No babies when mom was on drugs, no babies with health problems, and so on.

[delen]

85. If you look at stats

somewhere between 85% and 90% of abortions are preformed on young, white, middle to upper middle class women. If the stats were the inverse would these same people be pro-life?

[MADem]

54. The CUTE white ones--the ugly ones will be tossed back

Any unwed mothers with unsatisfactory features, poor skin, lank hair...unless the daddy was a GOD, the kids go on the trash heap of endless foster care...

[Fridays Child]

7. Prisons and workhouses would be the Dickensian solution.

But neocon fundies may secretly prefer Jonathan Swift's "Modest Proposal."

[kestrel91316]

8. Orphanages, then the street, then prison, then death row, then a grave.

[bobbieinok]

31. Newt wanted to establish a huge system of orphanages

b/c so many children 'weren't being raised right'

see this article; orphanage question raised a firestorm of controversy pro and con

http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~mckenzie/rethink/mck97-ch6.htm

....

While the orphanage concept was slowly gaining respectability among certain child welfare advocates, the idea was taken up with a passion by conservative theorists as well. In October 1993, Charles Murray, a conservative researcher associated with the American Enterprise Institute, wrote an op-ed article in the Wall Street Journal entitled "The Coming White Underclass" which laid the blame for a variety of inner-city travails on illegitimacy:

"My proposition is that illegitimacy is the single most important social problem of our time - more importantly than crime, drugs, poverty, illiteracy, welfare or homelessness because it drives everything else. Doing something about it is not just one more item on the American political agenda, but should be at the top." (Murray, 1993).

Murray had no hesitance in proposing a solution to the problem: the wholesale elimination of economic support for unwed mothers:

"The AFDC payment goes to zero. Single mothers are not eligible for subsidized housing or for food stamps... bringing a child into the world when one is not emotionally or financially prepared to be a parent is wrong. The child deserves society's support. The parent does not."

Murray recognized that when the checks stop coming in, there will be untold thousands of unwed mothers and children who are affected. What do we do for the mothers? Nothing. They must "get support from someone, anyone, other than from the government." As for the child, he contemplated an increase in adoption for most and for the rest:

'For them, the government should spend lavishly on orphanages. I am not recommending Dickensian barracks. In 1993 we know a lot about how to provide a warm nurturing environment for children and getting rid of the welfare system frees up lots of money to do it. Those who find the word "orphanages" objectionable may consider them as 24-hour a day pre-schools.'

....

With the media now riveted on Gingrich's every word, the resurrection to the "o" word triggered an immediate wave of controversy:

"To hear Newt Gingrich tell it, we are going to be taking young, unmarried mothers off of welfare and building orphanages for their children. Do you think that's what American people want to see? (Marchini, Debra - Cable News Network, November 14, 1994)

"Gingrich is a walking, one-man intellectual gridlock. He espouses family values but would put the children of unemployed, unwed mothers into orphanages." (Nelson, Lawrence, Eric "Newt Reaps Fruit Of White-Mans Anger," Newsday, November 15, 1994)

"The Gingrich faction, borrowing heavily from the agenda of sociologists Charles Murray of The Bell Curve" fame wants to turn the poor over to orphanages and private charities and get government out of the business of helping people helping themselves." (Editorial, Buffalo News, November 15, 1994)

"Alarms are being raised by another Gingrich succession from removing children from parents who are on long-term welfare and putting them into state orphanages." (Brody, Ian "Gingrich Leads Crusade For Restoration Of School Prayers." Times of London, November 16, 1994)

much, much more....

[kestrel91316]

46. Oh, and once they get booted from the orphanages, as an alternative

to the streets, they can become cannon fodder.

[noonwitch]

66. Or the orphanages will be military training programs

Like the Soviets used to do with unwanted children. Not even always with unwanted children.

[SeattleGirl]

9. When an unwanted baby is born, it stops being human and

instead, becomes punishment for the woman who dared to have SEX!

[FreedomAngel82]

35. And don't forget also

that they want to do away with the BC pill, morning after and condom's.

[SeattleGirl]

58. Believe me, I have not forgotten!

But you just know that behind the scenes, even if they accomplished all their goals, THEIR wives and daughters would get what they needed to prevent pregnancy or get a safe abortion. They are such hypocrites!

[SammyBlue]

11. Do you think they give a shit?

Life before birth, life after death and fuck what's in between.

I quote Carlin alot: "To these cryptofascists, if you're preborn, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're fucked!"

on edit: fixed a typo.

[walldude]

25. Love Carlin.. here's another classic from him

"Conservatives want live babies so they can have dead soldiers."

[SammyBlue]

30. It's the same show both quotes come from: The Back In Town album

One of his best albums. His first two routines, abortion and the sancity of life are classic. . .the only part of that album that sucks is his examining cliches and ripping them apart. Never found that funny in any album.

[TomInTib]

12. I think there should be a referendum vote and....

everyone voting to refuse abortions would be put on a waiting list.

When they get to the top of the list in their county they would get the next baby born, no matter what- race, crack/meth, deformity, whatever.

Then we would see the strength of hypocritical conviction.

[mark11727]

22. Just use the membership rolls of Operation Rescue...

...that should make it simpler.

[BeachBuckeye]

13. why, nice white families will adopt them of course

And they'll all live happily ever after. What, you say there would be some minority babies too? Ohhhhh, now that changes everything.

[benburch]

14. The coal mines need small children to go get stuck coal from machines.

That should solve the problem neatly... :sarcasm:

[jwirr]

15. Why they will let them die of starvation, lack of medical care, and

homelessness on a 20 below night. Meanwhile, their preachers will tell them to just have faith. Didn't you ever read Dicken's Oliver? :sarcasm:

[appleannie1]

16. We would be forced

to go back to the days when I was young. There were known places in every town, where for a fee, one could have an abortion on a table in a basement, then be sent home and told if you start bleeding heavily, lay down and pack ice up your vagina. Or the sale of knitting needles would rise. Plus the local drug dealer could make extra bucks selling ergot. As for the Downs babies, I have a son that is mentally challenged. He lives in a place peopled by many botched illegal abortions. How do they think going back to those days is better? Bottom line is that making it illegal will not make it stop happening. So why bother?

[jwirr]

26. Yes, the reference to aborting babies due to disabilities

upset me too. My daughter is perfectly happy although as she gets older I see the same aging process I have gone through. It sometimes scares me how the Dems seem to see disabilities in the same light as the repugs.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Exactly

From what I've read and heard these people think if you do away with Roe V Wade people will stop having abortions and be like them. Bzz wrong. It'll be the same. No difference and people still have freewill. Roe V Wade protects women who do need abortions. Even though I personally am a Christian I'm both pro-life and pro-choice. My next door neighbor might not believe in what I believe. And what is life if you go to bed hungry every night? Or cold? Or your parents are never around because they're working? Or you have a poor enviornment? Or you have a school that is very poor? Is that life?

[Dagaz]

18. Why would there be more unwanted babies?

People can't travel across state lines? :shrug:

[prolesunited]

29. People without resources wouldn't be able to

If a woman or family already is struggling, they may not have a car, or money for gas or lodging, or the ability to take days off work and not get fired.

[FreedomAngel82]

41. And imagine living in the Bible belt

Like I do. That'd be a long travel to find a state that would do an abortion. Not everybody would be able to travel because it takes money to travel and have a place to stay etc.

[0rganism]

19. I believe their plan is outlined in "Oliver Twist"

Some of the moderates were holding out for "Little Orphan Annie", but their ammendments were shot down in committee.

[Kadie]

20. Next step will be to end all treatment of infertility.

That CHOICE will also be taken away from people so they may be more likely to adopt.

[texpatriot2004]

21. Rethugs love the fetus, HATE THE CHILD and FAMILIES TOO.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ToolTex]

23. Apparently, sell them to Germans.

n/t

[prolesunited]

43. Huh?

:shrug:

[appleannie1]

28. In 18 years

We can send them off to an ever going war.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. People will magically stop having sex

and turn to Fundamentalist Christianity en masse.

[liberalpragmatist]

48. Can I have some of the sex other people don't want to take up?

:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

50. No. Take a cold shower and don pilgrim garb

or it's off to the stocks with ye.

[liberalpragmatist]

51. And what I masturbate?

nt

[Warren DeMontague]

52. It's okay, as LONG AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT JESUS

Nope, I'm not making that up, either.

http://www.themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/app/singles/mastsin.shtml

It therefore follows that the best way to masturbate is to focus the mind on God, giving thanks to Him for the pleasure which the person is feeling and for the gift of sexuality that He has given, as well as gratitude for the ability to gain a needed sexual release without the possibility of illicit sexual contact.

If long haired, skinny, hippie lookin' dudes don't do it for you, though, you're shit out of luck.

[liberalpragmatist]

53. EWWWWW....

That's right up there with Dobson's "wave your penis in your son's face"-command.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Sad thing to think about sometimes

:( Already so many kids in adoptions who are wanting home's. Population will become a problem too. All they care about is "saving the babies". To me they're nothing more than pro-fetus. They really don't care about the children unless they can convert them to their ideals without them thinking for themselves.

[Kadie]

39. I wonder if it is just about "saving the babies"

maybe it is really just about controlling women. What better way then controlling her reproductive system. Just a thought.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Oh I'm sure

I'm sure some people are about control. Wouldn't surprise me.

[longship]

36. Gingrich plan -- Orphans belong in orphanages

nt

[porphyrian]

38. Turn them into a renewable fuel source, of course. - n/t

[librechik]

44. first to the streets, then to prison, then the organ farms

[madmark]

45. The personal tragedy of the poor women who will have to bear

unwanted children (or die in an amateur abortion attempt) aside, the overturning of Roe v. Wade would be the best thing ever to happen to democrats politically. Making abortion subject to popular votes would result in the Republicans losing almost all female swing voters over the issue reduce them to permanent minority status.

[prolesunited]

49. Do polls still show

the majority of Americans are in favor of choice?

If it's left up to the states, not too hard to figure which ones would ban abortion. They just happen to be the same ones imposing Draconian cuts on social programs.

[liberalpragmatist]

47. Maybe take up Jonathon Swift's "Modest Proposal"?

:shrug:

[LSdemocrat]

55. Sweatshops

[Princess Turandot]

56. Send Them to Work at Wal-Mart. Just kidding. nt

[question everything]

57. Boot camp from Day 1

with recruiters cannot meet their quotas...

And, of course, Roe V. Wade is a federal law. Many states will continue to allow abortion. But the poor, frightened women in southern states will be the ones who suffer.

[Initech]

59. They'll have to stop the riots first...

I'm convinced that the overturning of Roe V. Wade will spark a COUNTRY-wide riot. It will be like the LA riots of 1992, except all over the country.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this - but watch. It'll happen.

[prolesunited]

65. I don't see riots over this

Women's rights are not seen as important by many. We still have not achieved pay equity.

[opihimoimoi]

60. Look to Brazil....Street kids with no homes....thousands upon thousands

No homes, no future, no hope....leads to Higher CRIME....Higher TENSIONS

We are so lolo its pathetic....

[MazeRat7]

61. Make Tacos ? (n/t)

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

62. No

That's a better use for all the unwanted seniors who will be stringy and tough. The younguns'll be soft and tender. Just roast 'em.

See, that's what I never got about Soylent Green. There's not enough water on Earth, right? And Heston goes to the plant where they're making it, and it's full of big watery vats, right? So why was Soylent Green so dry and crunchy? Very inefficient.

[MazeRat7]

63. Well you would have to marinate them some ... but I see your point.

*psssst... you know we are going to hell for this sub-thread don't you ?

MZr7

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

64. Yes, of course, but

will we make it safely to hell before we're attacked by the Outrage Police™? :scared:

[jmowreader]

79. They can reuse the water

As for the crunchiness...if it's like hardtack, it keeps better.

[newspeak]

67. well, let's look at history

remember Ceausceau (sp.) of Romania? He outlawed abortion and made a law that women had to have at least five children. Why? wanted to build an elite army. Also, Hitler outlawed abortion, especially when it came to his bogus Aryan race--implemented breeding farms for good Aryan stock. Look back in history in the US, backroom abortions, increase in female suicide and there will be an increase in child abuse cases. Remember before child abuse was a national concern, it was a hidden action amongst families. Incest and abuse, you didn't air your dirty laundry.

[ComerPerro]

68. they don't care. At all

[BiggJawn]

69. Bounce 'em around like Dickensian urchins until they're 17 or so...

Then away they go to Lord Rumsferatu's never-ending wars...
Since they've had no problem killing over 2,000 loved ones, the talking heads on TEEEEEEE-VEEEEEEEE will probably cheer when the unloved ones get it.

[ktlyon]

70. what will happen?

simple.... poverty and crime will increase
prison business will be good
and children will suffer

[VOX]

71. The right wing prefers birth control after the fact: War, executions...

no assistance to the homeless, no feeding the hungry, quality healthcare only for the wealthy, etc., etc.

The "culture of life," my ass. :grr:

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

72. They seem to think adoption is the perfect answer......

so I always point out that the number of children available versus the number of children adopted is nowhere near equal. What then?

[Larkspur]

73. They make good cannon fodder for their wars of greed

That's the only reason I can see for them.

[HamdenRice]

74. braise with fresh herbs and mango salsa? nt

[lonestarnot]

75. slave laborers, GI's and lunch, yes eat them for lunch!

[Neil Lisst]

76. I was talking to this guy, Jonathan Swift, and he had a modest ..

...proposal that might be applicable.


Soylent Green is BABIES!!

IT'S BA-BIES!!

[Name removed]

77. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[prolesunited]

78. But, are they going to adopt minority children?

Those born to additcted mothers? Ones with disabilities and birth defects? What about those who are not babies but their families are no longer able to care for them?

If there are quite a few couples looking to adopt, why do so many children go unadopted?

And since when should the government force others to carry pregnancies so that these other couples can have babies. You should read the Handmaid's Tale.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

80. Soylent green?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

81. Unwanted babies=more Freepers.

[CornField]

82. I do appreciate the sentiment of this post... but

I think you've missed a very big point. According to those pushing for this outcome, women should only be having sex with their God-provided husbands. Period.

Once Roe v. Wade - legislation primarily dealing with privacy - is toppled, the playing field becomes wide open. When women no longer have privacy with their doctor and all forms of abortion are considered murder, how much further can it go? Morning After Pills? (Oh Yeah!) Birth Control Pills? (You Betcha!)

This is not a war about abortion or even about Roe v. Wade. This is a war for women's rights. Our right to medical privacy. Our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our right as equals in society.

[delen]

83. Fundies

are BIG adopters. Especially foreign and minority adoptions It's sorta' an assimilate, indoctrinate, infiltrate thing. This is how they (I believe) plan to keep the army of Jesus growing.

[ultraist]

84. They will open up orphan work camps n/t

[AirAmFan]

86. The medieval solution was to deposit unwanted babies into a rotating

barrel called a 'tour', at the entrance to a foundling home:

"The unluckiest babies were born to desperately poor mothers, many of them young and/or unmarried, who risked both reputation and their sources of livelihood if they kept the baby. By abandoning her baby, the mother ceased to be directly involved. From medieval times onward, mothers could deposit unwanted babies in foundling homes, often by placing them in a rotating barrel called a tour, ring a bell, and fade anonymously into the night.

In an era without other reliable means of birth control, thousands of babies every year were abandoned. Charities and state-run foundling homes had to compete for wet nurses with paying parents. Prices rose, so that parents had to lower their standards and seek nurses farther and farther away. Often there was a dangerously long lag between birth and placement, or else several babies were assigned to the same nurse. Foundling homes served as magnets for parents with unwanted children, producing unintended consequences on a massive scale. Insufficient wet nurses along with crowding and infectious diseases led to dismally low survival rates. In 1781 only 10 - 40% of babies abandoned in Paris that year made it to their eighth birthday."

From "The Past, Present, and Future of the Human Family", Lectures on Human Values Delivered at University of Utah February 27 and 28, 2001", online at http://www.tannerlectures.utah.edu/lectures/Hrdy_02.pdf .

[catzies]

87. He already said it in the 2004 Pres debates: "Maternity group homes!"

Handmaiden's Tale, anyone?

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html