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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 AM
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Election 2004 WAS Stolen!
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 03:04 AM by Breeze54
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529

Powerful Government Accounting Office report confirms
key 2004 stolen election findings

by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
October 26, 2005

As a legal noose appears to be tightening around the Bush/Cheney/Rove inner circle, a shocking government report shows the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the White House is crumbling.

The latest critical confirmation of key indicators that the election of 2004 was stolen
comes in an extremely powerful, penetrating report from the General Accounting Office that has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage.

The government's lead investigative agency is known for its general incorruptibility and its through, in-depth analyses. Its concurrence with assertions widely dismissed as "conspiracy theories" adds crucial new weight to the case that Team Bush has no legitimate business being in the White House.

Nearly a year ago, senior Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers (D-MI) asked the GAO to investigate electronic voting machines as they were used during the November 2, 2004 presidential election. The request came amidst widespread complaints in Ohio and elsewhere that often shocking irregularities defined their performance.

According to CNN, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee received "more than 57,000 complaints" following Bush's alleged re-election. Many such concerns were memorialized under oath in a series of sworn statements and affidavits in public hearings and investigations conducted in Ohio by the Free Press and other election protection organizations.

The non-partisan GAO report has now found that, "some of concerns about electronic voting machines have been realized and have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes."

The United States is the only major democracy that allows private partisan corporations to secretly count and tabulate the votes with proprietary non-transparent software. Rev. Jesse Jackson, among others, has asserted that "public elections must not be conducted on privately-owned machines." The CEO of one of the most crucial suppliers of electronic voting machines, Warren O'Dell of Diebold, pledged before the 2004 campaign to deliver Ohio and thus the presidency to George W. Bush.

Bush's official margin of victory in Ohio was just 118,775 votes out of more than 5.6 million cast. Election protection advocates argue that O'Dell's statement still stands as a clear sign of an effort, apparently successful, to steal the White House.

Among other things, the GAO confirms that:

1. Some electronic voting machines "did not encrypt cast ballots or system audit logs, and it was possible to alter both without being detected." In other words, the GAO now confirms that electronic voting machines provided an open door to flip an entire vote count. More than 800,000 votes were cast in Ohio on electronic voting machines, some seven times Bush's official margin of victory.

2. "It was possible to alter the files that define how a ballot looks and works so that the votes for one candidate could be recorded for a different candidate." Numerous sworn statements and affidavits assert that this did happen in Ohio 2004.

3. "Vendors installed uncertified versions of voting system software at the local level." 3. Falsifying election results without leaving any evidence of such an action by using altered memory cards can easily be done, according to the GAO.

4. The GAO also confirms that access to the voting network was easily compromised because not all digital recording electronic voting systems (DREs) had supervisory functions password-protected, so access to one machine provided access to the whole network. This critical finding confirms that rigging the 2004 vote did not require a "widespread conspiracy" but rather the cooperation of a very small number of operatives with the power to tap into the networked machines and thus change large numbers of votes at will. With 800,000 votes cast on electronic machines in Ohio, flipping the number needed to give Bush 118,775 could be easily done by just one programmer.

5. Access to the voting network was also compromised by repeated use of the same user IDs combined with easily guessed passwords. So even relatively amateur hackers could have gained access to and altered the Ohio vote tallies.

6. The locks protecting access to the system were easily picked and keys were simple to copy, meaning, again, getting into the system was an easy matter.

7. One DRE model was shown to have been networked in such a rudimentary fashion that a power failure on one machine would cause the entire network to fail, re-emphasizing the fragility of the system on which the Presidency of the United States was decided.

8. GAO identified further problems with the security protocols and background screening practices for vendor personnel, confirming still more easy access to the system.

In essence, the GAO study makes it clear that no bank, grocery store or mom & pop chop shop would dare operate its business on a computer system as flimsy, fragile and easily manipulated as the one on which the 2004 election turned.

The GAO findings are particularly damning when set in the context of an election run in Ohio by a Secretary of State simultaneously working as co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Far from what election theft skeptics have long asserted, the GAO findings confirm that the electronic network on which 800,000 Ohio votes were cast was vulnerable enough to allow a a tiny handful of operatives -- or less -- to turn the whole vote count using personal computers operating on relatively simple software.

The GAO documentation flows alongside other crucial realities surrounding the 2004 vote count. For example:

# The exit polls showed Kerry winning in Ohio, until an unexplained last minute shift gave the election to Bush. Similar definitive shifts also occurred in Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico, a virtual statistical impossibility.

# A few weeks prior to the election, an unauthorized former ES&S voting machine company employee, was caught on the ballot-making machine in Auglaize County

# Election officials in Mahoning County now concede that at least 18 machines visibly transferred votes for Kerry to Bush. Voters who pushed Kerry's name saw Bush's name light up, again and again, all day long. Officials claim the problems were quickly solved, but sworn statements and affidavits say otherwise. They confirm similar problems in Franklin County (Columbus). Kerry's margins in both counties were suspiciously low.

# A voting machine in Mahoning County recorded a negative 25 million votes for Kerry. The problem was allegedly fixed.

# In Gahanna Ward 1B, at a fundamentalist church, a so-called "electronic transfer glitch" gave Bush nearly 4000 extra votes when only 638 people voted at that polling place. The tally was allegedly corrected, but remains infamous as the "loaves and fishes" vote count.

# In Franklin County, dozens of voters swore under oath that their vote for Kerry faded away on the DRE without a paper trail.

# In Miami County, at 1:43am after Election Day, with the county's central tabulator reporting 100% of the vote - 19,000 more votes mysteriously arrived; 13,000 were for Bush at the same percentage as prior to the additional votes, a virtual statistical impossibility.

# In Cleveland, large, entirely implausible vote totals turned up for obscure third party candidates in traditional Democratic African-American wards. Vote counts in neighboring wards showed virtually no votes for those candidates, with 90% going instead for Kerry.

# Prior to one of Blackwell's illegitimate "show recounts," technicians from Triad voting machine company showed up unannounced at the Hocking County Board of Elections and removed the computer hard drive.

# In response to official information requests, Shelby and other counties admit to having discarded key records and equipment before any recount could take place.

# In a conference call with Rev. Jackson, Attorney Cliff Arnebeck, Attorney Bob Fitrakis and others, John Kerry confirmed that he lost every precinct in New Mexico that had a touchscreen voting machine. The losses had no correlation with ethnicity, social class or traditional party affiliation---only with the fact that touchscreen machines were used.

# In a public letter, Rep. Conyers has stated that "by and large, when it comes to a voting machine, the average voter is getting a lemon - the Ford Pinto of voting technology. We must demand better."

But the GAO report now confirms that electronic voting machines as deployed in 2004 were in fact perfectly engineered to allow a very small number of partisans with minimal computer skills and equipment to shift enough votes to put George W. Bush back in the White House.

Given the growing body of evidence, it appears increasingly clear that's exactly what happened.

GAO Report http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf



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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:08 AM
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1. very small # of partisans w/minimal comp skills put W back in
But the GAO report now confirms that electronic voting machines as deployed in 2004 were in fact perfectly engineered to allow a very small number of partisans with minimal computer skills and equipment to shift enough votes to put George W. Bush back in the White House.

Given the growing body of evidence, it appears increasingly clear that's exactly what happened.

GAO Report http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:10 AM
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2. dupe many times..its on latest and greatest boards!.n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:18 AM by flyarm
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. I didn't see it there but
I'm still finding things or trying to
and it appears that other's are also...
as in this article.

sowwy.... :argh:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:30 AM
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10. ahhh its ok...welcome to du...
just as a little helper sometimes its good to read over the greatest and latest..that way you know whats been posted!!

as tonight they made the regular general discussion just for the fitzgerald leak case..they have asked that all other posts be placed over in grneral politics..but i think they have made it general everything else...

so all other subjects other than the leak case are to be posted over there..just so the boards don't over load...i hope that helps you out...
just go to lobby and look up general everything else..or something like that!

hope that helps..and welcome!!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

fly
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:13 AM
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3. Good for you Breeze54, we can't hear the truth enough!
Damn right it was stolen, they're stealing the judiciary, and they're stealing the treasury, not to mention lives!

It's a kleptocracy!

Great post, recommended.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:17 AM
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5. Thank You.....
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:18 AM by Breeze54
I think flyarm wants to put me in the corner....

or worse! :spank:

lol! :7

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:28 AM
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8. I'd love to see the GAO report and stories on the greatest page
everyday until something is done about the stolen elections, and our future elections are cleaned up.

In other words, recommended. :-)
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:38 AM
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11. no i don't want you to get locked...
they have changed the rules beginning tonight...please read on top of this board...you are fairly new and i was trying to help you out..and give you a sincere welcome...

here are the rules that changed tonight...

The General Discussion forum will be renamed GD: CIA Leak Case, and in that forum we will only permit threads about the CIA Leak Case.

The General Discussion: Politics forum will be renamed GD: Everything Else, and in that forum we will NOT permit any threads about the CIA Leak Case.

The two forums will be MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. Threads about the CIA Leak Case MUST be posted in the GD: CIA Leak Case forum. Threads about other political topics must be posted in the GD: Everything Else forum.

hope thi shelps you..i do try to help those who are new on the boards..as i was new once too...and had to fgure it out myself...and i do try to help newer people!!

hope you enjoy du as much as i do..and welcome again!!


:hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Thanks for the tips, flyarm!!
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:54 AM by Breeze54
And the warm welcome!
Actually I registered here over a year or so ago but I've
been pre-occupied on some other messageboards...and with 'life'.
I lost all my log-in info when my computer crashed and wiped it out.
At any rate, I decided to make a concerted effort to be here
more often and re-familarize myself with the place!

Thanks again for the tips!

B-)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:23 AM
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6. As I posted elsewhere
Prof. Freeman's paper was all the proof I needed but this report is excellent. Freeman spoke to the exit poll impossibility, but this has important juice. It needs to be forced into MSM.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Well; I agree,
that's what I was thinking too! ;)
because:
"....report from the General Accounting Office
that has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage."

:thumbsup:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. Goes to show
how "liberal" the "press" is eh? :eyes:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. I agree it should be forced into the Corporate Media nm
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. A vote for "Greatest" could maybe help get the story out from
the grassroots up?

Oy! maybe and why not, yes?

Just a suggestion mind you, God forgive I should turn into a nooge and may you live a hundred years and prosper.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
28. We tried in December. NYT sent us a mass email:
At 04:54 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:

> Mr. Okrent
>
> I personally think it's outrageous that the Times
> failed to cover the Conyer's hearings.
>
> And now, Mr. Blackwell is sabotaging the Ohio recount
> in violation of OH state law.
>
> Is the Times going to ignore this whole story? I'd
> like to know so that I can reconsider my subscription
> options. If the Times won't cover the news, I have to
> find a paper that does.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Elizabeth Ferrari
>
> >
> >
> http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html
> > Subject: Blackwell Locks Down Ohio Voting Records
> >
> > Ohio Election Investigation Thwarted by Surprise
> > Blackwell Order
> >
> > Dayton, Ohio Friday December 10, 2004
> >
> > On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for
> > the
> > Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in
> > process recording voting information from minority
> > precincts in Greene County, and were stopped
> > mid-count
> > by a surprise order from Secretary of State
> > Blackwell’s office. The Director Board of
> > Elections
> > stated that “all voter records for the state of
> > Ohio
> > were “locked-down,” and now they are not
> > considered public records.”
> >
> > The volunteers were working with voter printouts
> > received directly from Carole Garman, Director,
> > Greene
> > County Board of Elections. Joan Quinn and Eve
> > Roberson, retired attorney and election official
> > respectively, were hand-copying voter discrepancies
> > from precinct voting books on behalf of the
> > presidential candidates Mr. Cobb (Green) and Mr.
> > Badnarik Libertarian) who had requested the recount.
> >
> > One of the goals of the recount was to determine how
> > many minority voters were unable to vote or denied
> > voting at the polls. Upon requesting copies of
> > precinct records from predominantly minority
> > precincts, Ms. Garman contacted Secretary of State
> > Blackwell’s office and spoke to Pat Wolfe,
> > Election
> > Administrator. Ms. Wolfe told Ms. Garman to assert
> > that all voter records for the State of Ohio were
> > “locked down” and that they are “not
> > considered
> > public records.”
> >
> > Quinn and Roberson asked specifically for the legal
> > authority authorizing Mr. Blackwell to “lock
> > down”
> > public records. Garman stated that it was the
> > Secretary of State’s decision. Ohio statute
> > requires
> > the Directors of Boards of Election to comply with
> > public requests for inspection and copying of public
> > election records. As the volunteer team continued
> > recording information from the precinct records in
> > question, Garman entered the room and stated she was
> > withdrawing permission to inspect or copy any voting
> > records at the Board of Elections. Garman then
> > physically removed the precinct book from Ms.
> > Roberson’s hands. They later requested the records
> > again from Garman’s office, which was again
> > denied.
> >
> > Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26
> > that requires all election records to be made
> > available for public inspection and copying. ORC
> > Sec.
> > 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the
> > Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit
> > any person from inspecting the public records filed
> > in
> > the office of the Board of Elections. Finally, ORC
> > Sec. 3599.42 clearly states: “A violation of any
> > provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code
> > constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud
> > within the purview of such Title.”
> >
> > Contact Information: Joan Quinn (937) 320-9680,
> > (916)
> > 396-9714 – cell Katrina Sumner (937) 608-5861


Dear Ms. Ferrari,

In the first few weeks after the election several readers wrote us about this issue. Mr. Okrent responded to these concerns on his web journal. I include the entry below (see post #35).

http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/thepubliceditor/danielokrent/index.html?offset=36&fid=.f555e99/36

dokrent - 5:40 PM ET November 21, 2004 (#35 of 40)

The Times and Covering Allegations of Election Fraud

Sorry to have been neglecting this spot for so long; I could give you a list of excuses, but none of them
is especially good.

Now, though, my mailbox has begun to overflow with criticisms of The Times for not looking more deeply
into allegations of large-scale vote fraud in Ohio and Florida, a story (if true) that no one can ignore. In some
of these messages, writers say that "now that the theft of the election has been proven ...," The Times must
reveal this to the wider world.

Were the assertion even nearly so, I would do more than recommend that The Times reveal it Id be
demanding it publicly, loudly and frequently. But the evidence I have seen to date proves nothing, other than
that there was a certain amount of error in certain counties, and an aggressive effort by some partisans in
some areas to challenge some likely Democratic voters. To my knowledge, no one in the Kerry campaigns
vast on-the-ground operation, or in its armies of well-situated lawyers, has made the argument that what
happened in Ohio (or Florida) could have changed the result of the election. Similar views were explained
in "Vote Fraud Theories, Spread By Blogs, Are Quickly Buried," by Tom Zeller (Nov. 12).

And more, I expect, will be explored and explained in future articles if meaningful allegations can indeed
be established as facts. Both Matthew Purdy, the head of The Timess investigative unit, and Rick Berke, the
papers Washington editor, assure me that reporters will continue to look into the issue. Im confident that if
they find something, theyll publish it. A good investigative reporter (much less a whole staff of them) turning
away from a story like this one if true would be like a flower turning away from the sun. Careers are made
by stories that detail massive election fraud.

But: the operative words here are if true. Wishing doesnt make it so. Although it would probably pain him to
have someone from The Times touting his work, David Corn of The Nation, in a recent column, offers plenty
of reason to examine the allegations before I, or anyone else, should leap to give them credence. You can
find Corns column here.

Since then, over seven hundred other readers have raised similar concerns requesting more coverage on this issue. You may be interested in the following articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/22/politics/22poll.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/15/politics/15ohio.html

I raised reader concerns with Mr. Okrent and a few days ago he asked me to let you know that he does not believe The Times's coverage of the voting in Ohio is over.

The following articles have since appeared:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/29/politics/29ohio.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/24/national/24vote.html

Mr. Okrent wanted me to write you back asking that you please stay tuned.

Sincerely,
Arthur Bovino
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Ohio-Vote-Challenge.html


December 28, 2004


Ohio Official Refuses Interview Over Vote
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 9:21 a.m. ET

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- The secretary of state, who declared President Bush the official winner in Ohio, is seeking a court order to keep himself from being interviewed as part of a court challenge of the Nov. 2 vote.

Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell claims his deposition is not required, and accused 37 voters challenging the election of ``frivolous conduct.''

The court challenge cites irregularities including long lines, a shortage of voting machines in minority precincts and problems with computer equipment.

Bush defeated Sen. John Kerry by 119,000 votes, according to Blackwell's official count; Ohio's 20 electoral votes gave Bush the 270 he needed for victory.

Attorney General Jim Petro, representing Blackwell, said the voters ``are not trying to actually contest the presidential election but are merely using this litigation to cast public doubt on the voting system of the State of Ohio without a shred of evidence.''

On Dec. 21, officials learned lawyers for the voters planned to issue subpoenas to several high-ranking officials, including Blackwell, Bush and the president's political adviser, Karl Rove, according to Petro.

The state Supreme Court ``should halt their ability to subpoena any person until such time as they make a good faith showing for the reason to take any deposition,'' Petro said in the court filing.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Ohio-Vote.html


December 28, 2004


Ohio Recount Ends, Shows Vote Closer
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:41 p.m. ET

TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) -- Election officials finished the presidential recount in Ohio on Tuesday, with the final tally shaving about 300 votes off President Bush's six-figure margin of victory in the state that gave him a second term.

The recount shows Bush winning Ohio by 118,457 votes over John Kerry, according to unofficial results provided to The Associated Press by the 88 counties. Lucas County, home to Toledo, was the last to finish counting.

The state had earlier declared Bush the winner by 118,775 votes and plans to adjust its totals to reflect the recount later this week.

The Kerry campaign supported the recount, but said it did not expect the tally to change the election winner. Supporters of the recount, requested by two minor party candidates, said they wanted to make sure every valid vote was counted.

Kerry gained 734 more votes in the recount, and Bush picked up 449, mostly from disqualified ballots that were counted in the second tally because hanging chads had come loose when ballots were handled again or rerun through counting machines.

That put Kerry 285 votes closer to Bush. The president's victory margin declined by about three dozen more votes when some counties adjusted their certified vote totals.

The Green and Libertarian party presidential candidates asked for the recount and raised the $113,600 required under state law for the process.

Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell has estimated that the recount will end up costing taxpayers $1.5 million.

Witnesses who watched workers count ballots by hand and machine said the effort provided assurance that boards were accurately counting ballots.

But the completion of the recount will not bring an end to questions surrounding the vote in Ohio.

A group of voters citing fraud have challenged the election results with the Ohio Supreme Court. The voters, supported by the Rev. Jesse Jackson, have cited irregularities including long lines, a shortage of voting machines in minority precincts and problems with computer equipment.

Attorney General Jim Petro has called the challenge frivolous and argued that the state Supreme Court does not have jurisdiction over a federal election.

Cliff Arnebeck, an attorney representing the voters in the challenge, wasn't taking much stock in the recount effort. He questioned why there was no independent investigation into the accuracy of counting machines to determine whether the machines had been tampered with.

``You're allowing the original error to be repeated a second time, so it's not a meaningful recount,'' he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Election-Poll-Data.html



December 21, 2004


Michigan Congressman Seeks Exit Poll Data
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 11:00 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- The top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee has asked The Associated Press and five broadcast networks to turn over raw exit poll data collected on Election Day so that any discrepancies between the data and the certified election results can be investigated.

Rep. John Conyers Jr. of Michigan said in a letter released Tuesday in Washington that the polling firms that conducted the polls on behalf of the news organizations, Mitofsky International and Edison Media Research, had declined to share the information with the committee.

``Without the raw data, the committee will be severely handicapped in its efforts to show the need for serious election reform in the United States,'' Conyers said in the letter.

The AP and the five television outlets -- ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Fox -- formed a consortium called the National Election Pool to conduct exit polls for this year's election after disbanding a previous exit poll group called the Voter News Service, which had problems in both the 2000 and 2002 elections.

Edie Emery, a spokeswoman for the National Election Pool and a CNN employee, said the poll data were still being analyzed and that the group's board would decide how to release a full report on the data early next year. ``To release any information now would be incomplete,'' she said.

Several Web logs carried accounts on the afternoon of Nov. 2 of what they said were leaked information from the exit polls showing that Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, was leading Bush in several battleground states, including Ohio, and poised for victory.

But Bush, a Republican, beat Kerry by about 119,000 votes in Ohio, winning that state's 20 electoral votes and putting him over the top in the race. Bush won re-election with 286 electoral votes to Kerry's 252.

Conyers' letter said the exit poll information could help determine whether there is evidence ``of voting irregularities that occurred as a result of poor election practices and intentional voter disenfranchisement.''

The exit polling was conducted for the AP and for ABC, a unit of The Walt Disney Co.; CBS, a unit of Viacom Inc.; NBC, a unit of General Electric Co.; CNN, a unit of Time Warner Inc.; and Fox News, owned by News Corp.

``Like Congressman Conyers, we believe the American people deserve answers,'' said Jack Stokes, a spokesman for the AP. ``We want exit polling information to be made public as soon as it is available, as we intended. At this time, the data is still being evaluated for a final report to the National Election Pool.''

Officials from ABC and NBC referred calls for comment to the National Election Pool, where CNN's Emery responded for the group. A CBS spokeswoman declined to comment, and officials at Fox could not be reached.

Earlier this month Kerry asked county election officials in Ohio to allow his witnesses to inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in the state in which no vote for president was recorded.

Despite improvements since 2000, when the presidential outcome was delayed for weeks by problems counting ballots in Florida, the nation's voting system remains a locally administered patchwork whose lack of national uniformity distinguishes the United States from many other democracies.

Most complaints have come from Democrats and third-party candidates, but Republicans and bipartisan groups have acknowledged problems. The Government Accountability Office is investigating election problems. Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio and chairman of the House Administration Committee, will oversee an inquiry next year.

The U.S. Election Assistance Commission, created in 2002, is also scrutinizing the outcome. It plans to publish in January the government's first report on the voting, which will serve as the basis for congressional recommendations and reforms.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
51. This was all I needed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

But don't mention his name around here.... can you say taboo?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Taboo enough to have disappeared! It's either deleted or
a broken link.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. Here it is
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 07:24 AM by EnfantTerrible
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:55 AM
Response to Original message
14. Who wants to do the 5th, or most powerful vote here?
It's like being on the Supreme Court. in its own way, it's the only one that counts.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:59 AM
Original message
Me...I was in OH on Election Day as an election protection volunteer
and I can say that there is no doubt that the election was stolen...

This report is an impt step in the truth coming out....
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:04 AM
Response to Original message
17. Salutations, Pachamama.
Thank you for volunteering in the past election, and see post 16 for more gratitude.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. And a blessing to that fifth voter.
The title: "Election 2004 WAS Stolen!" is worth being on the greatest page in and of itself.

No "get over it" and "you're a conspiracy nut" today. No way, no how.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:59 AM
Response to Original message
15. Lemme know when you come up with some real proof...
...until then, it's all circumstantial.

Bush won because the country's going through a conservative phase. It's that simple.

Just my opinion...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. Oh, we'll let you know.
It would be just terrible if anyone were ever found guilty on circumstantial evidence.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. Maybe this will help....?
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1502

Why can't the left face the Stolen Elections of 2004 & 2008?
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
October 18, 2005

If some of its key publications are any indicator,
much of the American left seems unable to face the
reality that the election of 2004 was stolen.


So in all likelihood, unless something radical is done,
2008 will be too.

Misguided and misinformed articles in both TomPaine.com
and Mother Jones Magazine indicate a dangerous inability
to face the reality that these stolen elections mean nothing
less than the death of what's left of American democracy,
and the permanent enthronement of the Rovian GOP.

As investigative reporters based in Columbus, Ohio,
we witnessed first-hand, up close and personal,
exactly how the 2004 election was stolen,
and how it will most likely be done in 2008.

In the precinct in which Harvey Wasserman grew up,
and in the one where Bob Fitrakis now lives,
we saw the well-funded, profoundly cynical and deadly
effective mechanisms by which the
Bush-Cheney-Rove-Blackwell GOP machine switched a victory
for John Kerry to an easily-repeatable defeat for democracy.

More at Link......

I have NO PROBLEM believing those devious, under-handed,
sneaky, lying, cheating bastards stole the election!
You must also believe, then, that there were wmd's in Iraq too?


:banghead:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. No, that's the right wing talking point.
I like Landshark's formulation which I think I am about to get wrong:

We have no way to know whether our election reflects the will of the people or not.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. Did you Read the report? IT is too obvious Denial is not just a river
at 1:43am after Election Day, with the county's central tabulator reporting 100% of the vote - 19,000 more votes mysteriously arrived; 13,000 were for Bush at the same percentage as prior to the additional votes, a virtual statistical impossibility.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #15
35. No common sense allowed in this thread!
Away with you!! :spank:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. "Common sense" carries even less weight than circumstantial evidence.
One is still evidence, the other is an opinion that varies from person to person.

Except for the phenomenon of "common sense" having somehow evolved into Repub talking points in the past 10 years. Those are followed in lockstep.

You just happen to also believe in a Republican form of "common sense." on this one matter.

Common sense for most people entails things like putting on a coat when it's 30 below zero, Not matters of law.

Don't let the GAO report get in the way. Keep telling yourself that circumstantial evidence is worthless. Keep trying, for whatever reason, to shame folks into silence. Because you will actually have some people who can be cowed in that way.

But you won't find enough. Not by a longshot.

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. Common sense dictates that there's fraud in every election.
Like here:

http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/12021188.htm

Common sense, and the above link, also dictates that if there was enough fraud to overturn an election there would be indictments and convictions. So forgive me if I refuse to spin my wheels in the mud looking for non-existent stolen election bullshit and actually plan and strategize for the upcoming elections. Look ahead instead of behind - that's progressive.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Forgive me for my assuming what your intentions were.
Seriously. Forgive me for my shitty tone, too.

Some others of us will be looking both forward and back. Voting systems are more unreliable than ever. That has been made clear by the GAO pointing out the very real POSSIBILITY of wide-spread election fraud in the future with some systems.

Yes, we also need to put the issues forward. the issues that will assure a win. that has already begun. It can all be done.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. You can'd have indictments and convictions without investigations
We haven't had investigations. Why not?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Sadly, you both have homework to do. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #15
47. Let us know when you come up with some real proof
--that the election was legit. If you can understand all the proprietary software that was used and know how it functioned in 2004, please don't keep us in the dark.

No, we don't have proof, we have PROBABLE CAUSE, which is supposed to lead to a thorough investigation to find out what really happened.

If you find a corpse in your back yard, that is not evidence of foul play by itself. But you'd damned well better investigate the situation.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
50. Ok,CNN changes their OWN Ohio exit polling numbers at TWO AM
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 08:40 PM by OneTwentyoNine
What,did a number of those people that CNN THEMSELVES polled on the way out the door after voting SUDDENLY call CNN on the phone at TWO AM to tell them they made a mistake and actually voted for Bush and that CNN should NOW change their Ohio exit polling results to favor Bush?!?!?!?!

Need more proof??
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:51 AM
Response to Original message
20. This was on the Greatest page with 125 votes! And in a 2nd thread
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 04:52 AM by Nothing Without Hope
with over 20. Here's the first, 125-vote thread, which has some very important related links in the discussion thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5183345#5183674
Thread title: Stolen election confirmation(GAO report)
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:44 AM
Response to Original message
21. don't care if this is a duplicate!
wouldn't have seen it, otherwise. thanks.
(guess your subject line caught my attention, drew me in.)
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:52 AM
Response to Original message
22. 04 Stolen Election? Dems & Repugs can't have you believing
that here in the land of the free we don't have ligitimate elections, judging by the amount of Democratic Senators who added support to Conyers-Boxer when they needed it most?!!

Dems & Repugs sometimes sleep together, with all the interviews and video's coming out of Ohio, the obvious disenfranchising and our wonderous DEm Senators could be found no-where...?

2006 elections will have descrepencies across the board,

http://www.worldcantwait.org/

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:21 PM
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23. The GAO only observed
there is a bridge to fraud, not at all going into whether that bridge was crossed. It has been a mighty first step, quietly taken. The chasm between those who scoffed at ANY conviction the election was rigged to insure a Bush victory and and those with ALL the evidence the GAO is belatedly re-presenting with its dry imprimatur has been bridged.

Like the obvious fact that Gore was the actual winner of the 2000 election, no one on the other side, including most establishment members of all occupations, seems even cognizant that the bridge should be crossed. They would rather file away the GAO report and simply not think about it while the pepper of small arms fire of constant state by state election reform vs. "reform" battles continues in an odd limbo of ignorant armies without light bulbs.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
24. We need to send this report to Donna Brazzile
good buddy of Karl Rove and partly responsible for the dumb@ss DNC report on this same issue.

Do I have that last part right?

I don't trust that woman after hearing her say what a good friend Rove was.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. And, I found this LTE that I wrote on 11/6. It wasn't printed
(too long maybe) but it was circulated by my CA Greens. Reading it now, we had A LOT of evidence that the presstitutes were ignoring. This was a rebuttal to a SF Chron columnist who claimed our beautiful youth didn't turn out:

Editor,

For the last two years, our young people have registered to vote, they've registered their friends and neighbors. They've phone banked and fund raised. They've listened to debates, invited candidates to speak to them and helped maintain the broad progressive coalition that swept over this country. They got out the vote last Tuesday. They helped mind the polls, often traveling to other states to go where they were needed.

They did an amazing job. So, when the pundits say, they were unnoticed, someone is looking in the wrong direction. And missing the as yet untold story of this election and the youth vote.

Because our young people were also targeted for voter intimidation and suppression. They got robocalls threatening their student financial aid. As a group, somehow their absentee ballots went missing at a higher rate. Their registration forms where shredded in Oregon and Washington. Precincts closest to their colleges were understaffed and under equipped. In Ohio, they were made to stand in alternate lines and to wait for hours as they watched other voters come, cast their vote and go. And as the reports come in, this list will get longer.

But, in other words, on Tuesday, the youth vote was Black in America, had their rights violated in the same old ways that the black community has been fighting for decades. So, if we don't see the difference our young people made on Nov 2, it may be because we may be too ashamed to look and see what really happened to them, after they worked their hearts out for our election.

They were there. Where were we? Where is the leadership that should be helping our youth understand the lessons learned last Tuesday? To point out to them that they just went through a trial by fire, and that we're all proud of them and grateful. Most of all, to promise them that together we will continue fighting for fair elections. And to mean that.

Elizabeth Ferrari
(contact info)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Great letter!!!
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:27 PM by Breeze54
I went out of state getting voters to register and the younger people WERE out there!
With me!!
I'm old enough to be their Mom but they were out there!
They manned the volunteer phones and tables and handed out flyers and VOTED!!
I'm glad you wrote this letter and posted it here too!

"To point out to them that they just went through a trial by fire,
and that we're all proud of them and grateful."

Absolutely!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. It was just SO OBVIOUS. And that was before I really knew about
the machines.

Remember that weekend? The PodPeople were out in force, trying to cover their theft with "the morals" vote. Bullsh$t.

I haven't welcomed you to DU. Welcome, Breeze54. :hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. Thank you sfexpat2000 !
:hi: Back at ya!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
40. There were a good many disillusioned young folks in '04.
I hadn't heard about the automated calls threatening student aid, do you remember the details of that particular ploy?

Good letter. Not too long at all.

Thanks.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #40
60. Who was that org who kept track of complaints in 04?
I read about the robocalls to students at their website. It wasn't "rock the vote".

(One of the things we have to get is, they really are targetting students now because they tend to vote with us.)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
31. If it really was stolen, I hope it comes out into the light of day.
It's the only way to get rid of the machines. :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. I have every confidence that it will come out.
Truth has a way of doing that. :)
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. Damn, sfexpat...looks like Andy was right all along. :(
This needs "mainstream" coverage. I assume Olbermann knows about this?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #38
59. Keith, like so many others, knows. It will come out.
We just stay on it like white on rice. :hi:
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:51 PM
Response to Original message
34. We need a system in place to SOUND THE ALARM asap next time
Next time, there needs to be an independent organization, one that does exit polling, compiles voter complaints, and that has done research about likely places for e-voting corruption to occur. Then they can sound the alarm that there was just a suspicious election, before the opponent concedes, hopefully. They could also be in contact with the candidates, so that if a loser wanted to cry foul on fraud, they would have the information and logistical support of the organization.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. I don't think we can afford a next time.
Boston DIEBOLD Party, anyone?

Okay, I'm not advocating doing anything illegal, but the machines have to go. The only way to prevent widespread fraud is paper ballots and hand counts. Canada does it. Why can't we?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. There WAS one in place in 2004!
Election Incident Reporting System: 1-866-OUR-VOTE

https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapNation&cat=ALL&tab=ALL

The page takes a minute to load....be patient.

About EIRS
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRAbout

The Election Incident Reporting System (EIRS)
is an integrated set of tools to assist
Election Protection Organizations and their members
in carrying out a number of activities,

including:

* Collect background and testing information
from state & local election officials
* Compile and track election irregularity data before,
during, and after election day
* Organize and manage teams of people and tasks
* Dispatch attorneys and technologists rapidly to resolve
election day incidents at voting places
* Provide an on-line collaborative environment
for rapid communication among
advocates, attorneys, technologists, election officials,
media professionals, and others
* Support subsequent research for election policy-making

EIRS builds upon Open Source systems,
including AdvoKit, PHPSurveyor, MapServer, and geocoder.us,
with initial funding from the Quixote Foundation.

Many organizations have been involved in developing this system,

including:

the Verified Voting Foundation,

Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility,

the National Committee for Voting Integrity,

the Electronic Frontier Foundation,

and the Online Policy Group.

Project Participants:.....


More , much more at both Links!


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:25 PM
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44. A FAKE President can't appoint JUDGES! A war is coming....
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
46. Everyone needs to read up on this. Do our homework
Make elections honest.

K & R
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:19 PM
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49. Kick. n/t
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The Kicker Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:00 AM
Response to Original message
53. Much useful info in this thread
Thanks! K&R
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. Good!
I met a lot of very nice people in this thread also!!
:D
WooHoo!!



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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
56. NOE & Wife Ran LUCAS CO. Ohio Elections, MAKE HIM TALK
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 09:53 AM by McCamy Taylor
Here is what Mrs. Noe has been up to in Lucas County. Chances are her hubbie was in on it. Now that he is in the hands of federal prosecutors, they should be cutting him a deal to find out which higher ups conspired with him to steal the vote in Lucas County.

However...

We can be pretty sure that the federal prosecutors REAL job is to keep him away from state Democratic DAs and to make him keep his mouth shut. Therefore, I recommend writing Democratic Congresspeople and asking that they attempt to question Tom Noe about what he knows about Lucas County and that they offer him immunuty from the illegal campaign contribution charge (not the bigger theft from the workers comp charge) in exchange for the truth about what went down in LUcas County.

I have already sent email to Conyers and the Toledo Blade reporter covering the story.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Ms._Noes_Own_Scandal_Wife_of_Ohio_GOP_fundraiser_does_some_election_reform_of_her_ow_0801.html
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Awesome!
This ALL ties together!!
NO DOUBT!!

Nice post!
:thumbsup:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/07/scandal-ridden.php

Noe to Republicans:
You Scratch My Back, I'll Donate Money to Your Campaign

Noe Attended White House Strategy Session With
Ken Mehlman and Possibly Karl Rove,
While His Wife Was an Ohio Elections Official.

According to emails released by Ohio Governor Bob Taft's office,

Thomas Noe used his influence to obtain a coveted invitation
to a White House ceremony honoring the Ohio State University
football team.
The emails also revealed that Noe attended an
"Ohio political strategy session" with Ken Mehlman and Collister "Coddy" Johnson,
Bush's campaign manager and field director.

Karl Rove was also listed as a possible attendee of the meeting.
At the time, Noe's wife Bernadette,
was an elections official in Lucas County Ohio,
an area that experienced extreme voting difficulties during the 2004 election,
causing Secretary of State Ken Blackwell to ask for her resignation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. Please refresh my memory! (So many felonies, so little time.)
Lucas Co. sounds familiar. What happened?
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:28 AM
Response to Original message
58. And Kerry says...????
What does Kerry say about this? Still working silently behind the scenes as his supporters say?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. It is wierd, isn't it, that we know so many people know about this
and don't talk about it? Sort of like all the gay-bashing closeted folk in the Bush misadministration.

I put my money on the CBC and on Mr. Conyers in particular.
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