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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:18 PM
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I can no longer support Mayor Nagin of New Orleans
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 08:34 PM by bluestateguy
The Bush White House handling of the Katrina disaster was an abomination. The worst disaster management in history, revealing that the Department of Homeland Security failed in its first major test (supporting that agency's creation was a mistake too).

I have admired the way Mayor Nagin has called out federal officials for their callous disregard of life and failure to respond with the necessary sense of urgency.

But Mayor Nagin should be replaced when New Orleans voters go to the polls next time, preferably in the Democratic primary. A new Democratic mayor will make re-addressing poverty a major priority and stop the developers from turning their city into a cash cow. A Republican mayor will just be a stooge of the Bush Administration and the endless demands of the Chamber of Commerce.

Mayor Nagin should have found a way to get those buses running and to get people out of the city. Had the buses been running perhaps up to 15,000 people could have been evacuated: still leaving more people, but it would have been a dent. I have waited for months for him to provide a sufficient explanation as to why the buses sat idle, and he has yet to provide one. In an emergency situation you sometimes have to throw out the rulebook because saving lives is the top priority. FEMA was obsessed with their rules of procedure to a point that defined common sense in emergency conditions. Nagin did the same thing with the buses. If there was no professional to drive them, you get ordinary citizens to drive them. It's not that hard.

The police is also a major problem in New Orleans. Perhaps 100 police either did not show up or took their time showing up when the city needed them the most. They looted the city and now they are charged with a blatant case of police brutality. They let the city down. The mayor needs to take control of the police again, and Nagin has not done that.

I will support his Democratic challenger next year.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:20 PM
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1. I believe it's Nagin, not Nagins.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:37 PM
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8. Yeah, it is.
Reminds of when Bush said Rosa Park, instead of Parks.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:26 PM
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2. I believe I heard that the buses
were not allowed to be used. FEMA said something about the air conditioning not working in them is why they could not be used and FEMA was going to provide transportation.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:16 AM
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38. Before the RW tawk show hosts get you all pissed at Nagin, you should
read these articles by the esteemed David McGowan. They're lengthy, complex, but there isn't a critical writer alive that is more thorough than McGowan.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr73.html

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It is painfully obvious that many of the former residents of New Orleans will never be going home. Many did not survive, though we will never know the true number since it was apparent from early on that the death toll would be covered up. Of those who did survive, many have seen the last of their family homes. Residents of New Orleans probably didn’t realize it at the time, but the stage was set two months before Katrina came ashore, on June 23, 2005, when the U.S. Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, decreed that it was well within the ‘rule of law’ for the government to seize what is ostensibly privately held land so that that land can then be passed into the grubby, bloody hands of developers.

The stage was actually set earlier than that, in April 2005, when the United States Congress, in its infinite wisdom, opted to pass some bankruptcy ‘reform’ legislation. I’ll defer to the L.A. Times once again for an explanation of exactly how that ‘reform’ will come into play:

After virtually every major hurricane of the last 25 years, bankruptcy filings have grown significantly faster than usual as victims sought to shake off old debts in order to rebuild their economically ruined lives.

But unless changes are made to an overhaul of the nation’s bankruptcy law due to kick in next month, many of those affected by Hurricane Katrina and the resulting floods will have a substantially harder time winning court relief from loans they incurred for homes and businesses that are now gone, according to a variety of judges, lawyers and policy experts.

“Just because your house or car is somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico doesn’t mean that your auto loan or mortgage went with it,” said Brady C. Williamson, who was appointed by President Clinton to head a national bankruptcy commission in the mid-1990s. (Peter Gosselin “New Bankruptcy Law Could Exact a Toll on Storm Victims,” Los Angeles Times, September 7, 2005)

Imagine, if you will, this purely – ahem – ‘hypothetical’ scenario (which, as we all know, could never happen in the land of the free and home of the brave): under the pretense that conditions are far too dangerous for you to stay, you and your family are forced from your family home by heavily armed troops. You are then shipped off, against your will, to some distant, unspecified location, where your actions are monitored lest you decide to do something crazy, such as attempting to return to what you, quite foolishly, still think of as your home. That home, meanwhile, is condemned and quickly bulldozed, though the actual damage to the property was quite minimal. The ground that your house used to stand on is seized by the government and will soon serve as the home of the “Pirates of the Caribbean” ride at the new Disneyland New Orleans®. Having been stripped of everything that you once called your own – including your home and all its furnishings, the land it stood on, your vehicle(s), and your job – and having been separated from your friends and neighbors, you are now faced with the daunting prospect of completely rebuilding your life with little to work with other than a mountain of debt, which, you are quickly assured, you will be required to pay back. And guess what? This month’s payments are already past due.

If you were ever to find yourself in this ‘hypothetical’ predicament, which of the following would best describe your situation? (a) I live in some sort of hellish, Kafkaesque police state; (b) I live in the world’s greatest democracy; or (c) I’m Caucasian, so this doesn’t really apply to me – yet.


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That “glancing blow” would have serious repercussions – but not until the next day. Hurricane Katrina arrived on the shores of New Orleans on Monday morning, August 29. By the time night fell on the partially evacuated city, it appeared as though the danger had passed and New Orleans had successfully dodged a bullet. The Category 4 winds never really materialized, the rain was no match for New Orleans’ formidable pumping system, and all 350 miles of the city’s system of levees and canals held fast against the feared storm surges. Until, that is, the wee hours of the morning of Tuesday, August 30, when three canals (the 17th Street Canal, the London Street Canal and the Industrial Canal, aka the Inner Harbor Navigation Canal) suffered major breaches in no less than five separate locations.

The official story, for the first several weeks, was that storm surges from the mighty Katrina were simply too much for the overburdened levee walls to handle. The rising water first surged over the tops of the levee walls, we were to believe, sending the first floodwaters into New Orleans, and then the levee walls themselves ultimately succumbed to the surging waters. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Now, that’s a nice little story. It really is. It’s at least as good, I’d have to say, as any of the other stories cooked up in recent years to explain away unusual events. True, if you really give it some thought – like, say, for thirty seconds or so – then it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense, but that has never stopped a wild yarn from becoming a part of the new reality before, so it shouldn’t be a problem now.

Once upon a time, in a more innocent era, people might have questioned how it was that storm surges could have caused the breaches in the levees nearly a full day after the storm had hit town. “How can that be?” they might have asked. “The storm came through here on Monday and the levees weren’t breached until Tuesday. The wind and rain were pretty well gone by then, so it seems to me like it would have been kind of an odd time for a massive storm surge. And it seems pretty darn peculiar that all five of those breaches – all five of them! – occurred under cover of night some 18-21 hours after Katrina came ashore.”

Today, in these much more enlightened times, we would never raise such foolish questions. Instead, we instinctively do what is expected of all refined, cultured men and women of the twenty-first century: we warmly embrace whatever nonsensical lies are thrown our way, and then we go and share those lies with others, only to find that everyone else already knows the same lies, which is okay, as it turns out, because that makes it easier for us to all sit around and discuss current events as though we actually know what we’re talking about.

In this particular situation, however, we do not have to blindly accept the first official lie. There are slightly different rules at play here, because this is one of those cases where the official story has been officially repudiated. That official repudiation, however, was a rather coy one, which means that this is a situation where it is okay to believe either the first official lie or the second official lie. Either one will do just fine, just so long as you firmly believe in one of the two. The closest parallel I can think of here concerns the attack on the Pentagon on September 11. Readers will recall that at first it was claimed that the plane and everything in it was vaporized by the intense heat from the resulting fire. Later, however, it was claimed that the passengers were actually recovered and identified through DNA analysis, and that the plane had been largely reconstructed and was sitting in an unidentified aircraft hangar.

Obviously, both stories could not possibly be true, and, in fact, neither one of them was actually true. But that’s not the point here. The point here is that it is perfectly okay to be a true believer in either official version of reality. What is not okay is trying to insert your own reality, or, worse yet, a relatively objective reality into the mix. That would be considered a major faux pas. The important thing to remember here is that, while you are not limited to a specific official reality, you must choose from one of the available official realities. And as I started to say, there is a new official story concerning the breached levees. It goes something like this:

The levee breaches along two major canals that flooded New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina resulted from massive soil failures under concrete storm walls, not from hurricane surges that sent water over the tops of the walls as Army officials initially said, according to teams of investigators who have examined evidence in the last week. The findings appear to chip away at the simple story that the storm surge was much larger and higher than the walls were designed to handle … Investigators have found no evidence of such overflow and foundational scouring at the breaches in the London Avenue and 17th Street Canals, two main failures behind the central New Orleans flooding. In fact, in one case, water marks are a full 2½ feet below the tops of the walls. (Ralph Vartabedian “Soil Failure, Not Overflow, Cited in Levee Breaches,” Los Angeles Times, October 8, 2005, Page A26)

and oh so very, much more here as well ALL copied with explicit permission from the author of course.

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At least one fact seems indisputable: neither "incompetence" nor "lack of preparation" can even begin to explain the actions of national, state and local officials in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. It is perfectly obvious that there was a planned response, and that plan was fully implemented. The confusion over this has apparently arisen due to the erroneous belief that that plan had something to do with rescuing and providing aid and comfort to survivors.

If the problem was just that FEMA had failed to adequately respond to the disaster, then maybe, just maybe, we could write it off as incompetence. Far more difficult to explain away is that FEMA, and/or the Department of Homeland Security, actively prevented any other individuals or groups from responding. And we're not talking here about a couple of anomalous incidents. No, we're talking about an undeniable pattern of criminal behavior.

Among numerous other crimes against the people of New Orleans, FEMA declined an offer from the city of Chicago to send “44 Chicago Fire Department rescue and medical personnel and their gear, more than 100 Chicago police officers, 140 Streets and Sanitation, 146 Public Health and 8 Human Services workers, and a fleet of vehicles including 29 trucks, two boats and a mobile clinic.” Instead, FEMA asked Chicago to send just a single truck. (“Daley ‘Shocked’ at Federal Snub of Offers to Help,” Chicago Tribune, September 2, 2005)

FEMA also refused to allow into New Orleans “up to 500 Florida airboat pilots volunteered to rescue Hurricane Katrina victims, transport relief workers and ferry supplies.” Many of the pilots had “spent thousands of their own dollars stocking their boats and swamp buggies with food, water, medical supplies and fuel.” (Nancy Imperiale “Airboaters Stalled by FEMA,” Sun Sentinel, September 2, 2005) Meanwhile, “More than 50 civilian aircraft responding to separate requests for evacuations from hospitals and other agencies swarmed to the area a day after Katrina hit, but FEMA blocked their efforts” as well. (“After 9/11, a Master Plan for Disasters Was Drawn; It Didn’t Weather the Storm,” Los Angeles Times, September 11, 2005)

Not to be outdone, the Department of Homeland Security refused to allow the Red Cross to deliver food. Said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the organization, “The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans.” (Ann Rodgers “Homeland Security Won’t Let Red Cross Deliver Food,” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 3, 2005)

In other news, FEMA opted to all but ignore an offshore Naval ship, the USS Bataan, that was equipped with a 600-bed hospital, six operating rooms, a 1,200-man crew, helicopters, doctors, food, water, and the ability to desalinate up to 100,000 gallons of drinking water per day. According to a report in the Chicago Tribune, the “role in the relief effort of the sizable medical staff on board the Bataan was not up to the Navy, but to FEMA officials directing the overall effort.” (Stephen J. Hedges “Navy Ship Nearby Underused,” Chicago Tribune, September 4, 2005) In a similar vein, FEMA passed on an offer from the University of North Carolina to supply a state-of-the-art mobile hospital. (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/09/04/katrina.sick.redtape.ap/)

On September 5, Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) blasted FEMA in a report carried by London’s Financial Times: “Offers of medicine, communications equipment and other desperately needed items continue to flow in, only to be ignored by .” Landrieu also criticized FEMA for “dragging its feet” (a rather charitable characterization of FEMA's actions) when Amtrak offered the use of its trains to evacuate victims. (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e) On September 6, an Associated Press report carried the following quote from Ben Morris, mayor of Slidell, Louisiana: “We are still hampered by some of the most stupid, idiotic regulations by FEMA. They have turned away generators, we’ve heard that they’ve gone around seizing equipment from our contractors.” (http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html)

More than a week after Katrina came ashore, the Associated Press reported that "hundreds of firefighters who volunteered to help rescue victims of Hurricane Katrina" had instead been whiling away their time "playing cards, taking classes on the Federal Emergency Management Agency's history and lounging at an Atlanta airport hotel." The FEMA official in charge of the firefighters explained that the agency "wanted to make certain they were sent where the need was greatest." And since FEMA apparently hadn't yet determined where the need was greatest, a week after the need arose, it was best to just let the skilled rescue workers sit idle. ("Eager to Help, Frustrated Firefighters Wait for Orders," Los Angeles Times, September 7, 2005, page A26)

Next came a report that a “German military plane carrying 15 tons of military rations for survivors of Hurricane Katrina was sent back by U.S. authorities … Since Hurricane Katrina struck the United States, many international donors have complained of frustration that bureaucratic entanglements have hindered shipments to the United States.” (Claudia Kemmer “German Plane with 15 Tons of Aid Turned Back From U.S.,” Minneapolis Star Tribune, September 10, 2005) And then came one of the most appalling stories of all, courtesy of The Advocate: “In the midst of administering chest compressions to a dying woman several days after Hurricane Katrina struck, Dr. Mark N. Perlmutter was ordered to stop by a federal official because he wasn’t registered with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. ‘I begged him to let me continue,’ said Perlmutter, who left his home and practice as an orthopedic surgeon in Pennsylvania to come to Louisiana and volunteer to care for hurricane victims. ‘People were dying, and I was the only doctor on the tarmac (at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport) where scores of nonresponsive patients lay on stretchers. Two patients died in front of me.’ … FEMA issued a formal response to Perlmutter’s story, acknowledging that the agency does not use voluntary physicians.” (Laurie Smith Anderson “Doctor Says FEMA Ordered Him to Stop Treating Hurricane Victims,” The Advocate, September 16, 2005)


http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr74.html

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:30 PM
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:32 PM
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4. Wow, did you read the rules when you signed up?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:37 PM
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9. tsk tsk, such language.
please read the rules about this sort of comment.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:33 PM
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5. According to Thom Hartmann, they were told NOT to use them.
FEMA apparently said not to use the buses because they weren't air conditioned, and that 700 buses where on the way.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:35 PM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:40 PM
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10. wow, that's pretty strong language to say you disagree with someone
Please read the rules about calling people out and personal attacks.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:49 PM
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11. Okay
I think the original poster is incorrect, in my opinion. Now, is that better? My post was no worse than some others, but I suppose I have to be above all of that. I just happen to be more earthy than others I guess. Comes with having a life and living amongst the people. And to the person who originally posted about "Nagins", if you take offense to what I said earlier, please contact me and we can discuss it. And tell others to mind their own business. Thank you.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:55 PM
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14. It seems to me that I'm missing some background here.
I have been checking in DU periodically, but it seems from the tenor of the responses of many here that I am missing some previous discussion between some of you. So, if I ask for at least not calling names, calling out, swearing at or personal attacks, it is meant as a general politeness request and sorry if I'm missing earlier stuff that's carrying over here.

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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:02 PM
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17. We,ve all had people disagree with all of us
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 09:03 PM by Bluzmann57
And that's the way it is. We are all Democrats and we all have our own opinions. Wouldn't want it any other way. And yes, sometimes we all get carried away. I have had people curse me and think I 'm the worst so and so in the world, particularly on a certain issue. That's ok, I have no intention of changing my views without a compelling argument. I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of us are emotional and say exactly what we think, especially since it is relatively anonymous. Since you are uppity (your screen name, not mine) I will try and contain myself when addressing you. I am flexible.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:50 PM
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12. Ditto
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:35 PM
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7. FEMA still messed up
The point is FEMA didn't do it's job when it was supposed to.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:51 PM
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13. Ok You do the math
put 15,000 on school Buses and evacuate them where. Certainly not the convention center or the Super Bowl so lets assume 90 miles away in Baton ROuge.

Les be generous and say 50 per bus and each bus could make two trips so that is 100 per bus so the rquirement would mean 150 busses and if they could only make one trip. 300 busses.


Thionk of the logistical problems...Where are you going to get the drivers? There was a mandatory evac n place THose with the proper licenses to drive a school busses were either already gone or were busily preparing their homes and getting out of dodge.

The other problem is that City Attornies likely nixed the idea of anyone other than certified drivers comandeering vehicles to go get people. The cops were working their asses off and you do not want to use fireman for such services. SO who are they going to uses.

I-10 was bumper tobumberwith outbound traffic so even if you could scrounge together some drivers it seems dobfult that you could launch a significant evac effort using busses.

There is no easy answers tothese questions given the speed of the storm as it churned up the Gulf.

Could Naginand emerhency planners have forseen this...sure....Could they do anything to prevent it. I seriously doubt it. The poor with no cars and no means to stay at a motel wer certainly at the mercy of the system that probably did not have the means or methods to help them.

Sad. If you want to bitch slap Nagin during the promary go ahead...but I do not know how you solve this problem.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:03 PM
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18. See, now you are making my point
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 09:17 PM by bluestateguy
Logistical problems, regulations, rules, licenses, who was authorized to do what...

Enough.

Remember that 18 year old kid who had enough of the paper pushing by bureaucrats? He did something about it and took and bus drove several hours with over 100 people to safety.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:07 PM
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21. Over 100 people?
So.....not really that many compared to the total population, right?

And how about the problems that other poster brought up? They were told not to use the buses, where are the drivers to come from, and just how many people could they have gotten out in time?

Not the whole population in poverty. Not even close.

Now if FEMA had really been on the ball and working together with the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana a HELL of a lot more could have been done.

Which is why it's really silly to place this on the mayor's doorstep. Like tying someone's hands behind their back, demanding they play piano, then getting pissed when they don't.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:04 PM
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19. Great points.
What a cash-strapped municipal government could not do (and NO municipal government could have handled that), the federal government could have done.

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baltlib Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:12 AM
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33. i agree
even with drivers and 1000 buses, it would have made the traffic worse and we could have had another burning bus ( or 50 of em ) the traffic was terrible what would another 20 k cars had done, if the people who were left had or could get cars. yes i would have loved to see everyone get out but it was a lot of people to move either way
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:56 PM
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15. Umm
See post number 6, I couldn't have said it better. :)
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:58 PM
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16. Bluestate... you're blaming Mayor Nagin for the police crisis?
http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/duh!.gif ....Why!?

None of those officers walked off because of anything Mayor Nagin did or did not do.

I was actually impressed with how swiftly he had the acting police chief appointed and call-outs nationwide for experienced replacements.

No way I'm saying the guy should win "Mayor of the Year".. but wow.. you're kinda suggesting that his hindsight should've been 20/20.. :confused:
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:32 PM
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24. With the mess Jeb is making, I wonder why no one is criticizing him?
He seems to be getting a pass.

I guess like Brownie, Jeb is doing a heck of a job. :eyes:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:05 PM
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20. there were only about 220 school busses running, it was over a 100* and
there weren't enough drivers anyway.. they dedicated All the city muni busses..

so where are you going to take all those poor people.. out to a pasture someplace and drop them off.. they had a F*UKING ARMED ROADBLOCK keeping them form safety over the bridge.. Lets hear some 'more' about that before you criticize the Mayor any again.

i dont think you are speaking form wisdom here... where/why this come from..?? just now
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:19 PM
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22. As a mayor
he did not have the authority to load anyone on a bus (school, or municipal) and take them to another city or another state. Had he tried to do so the buses would have been met with armed roadblocks to stop the influx, by force if necessary. No other city would be willing to expend their own limited financial and physical resources to take on the enormous burden that was not their problem.
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:24 PM
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29. Exactly
as mayor of New Orleans he only had authority in New Orleans. There was one town that had police turn people away during Katrina. More areas would've done that if buses of people drove in with no plan. A statewide and more importantly federal plan should've have been in place because no mayor has the power and resources to coordinate a rescue effort of that magnitude.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:24 PM
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23. Tell me about it!!!
I am at a loss for what to do! Most Americans are no longer concerned about us in New Orleans, while we must deal with the ongoing aftermath of Katrina. The Halliburton robber barons are going to destroy my beautiful Crescent City and no one will help us stop them! What the fuck can we do when we are busy trying to get clothes and food?

Btw, I heard the buses sat idle because FEMA told him NOT to use them and that they had better ones on the way. Nevertheless, I want a new mayor NOW!!!

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:48 PM
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30. Hey people STILL are concerned
So don't feel down about it. In February, I urge you to support Eddie Sapir. Ray Reagan has GOT to go, he's not to be trusted.

Eddie Sapir can be trusted and he can stop that Peggy Wilson idiot from getting in.

My Grandmother, she's 86 and she's up for campaigning for Sapir. Why? Because she loves the Crescent City where she was born, and where she intends on remaining and I'm telling you, my Grandmother's NOT going to stand for some bastard coming along and turning the Crescent City into fucking Disneyland on the Mississippi.

So there you have it. Chin up mon amie ;)
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:57 AM
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31. We need a campaign to save New Orleans...
I have never been there, although I have long wanted to visit, but it always seemed to me to be one of the most beautiful, most mysterious, and most unique of American cities. New Orleans should be restored the way the citizens who have lost their homes and businesses wish...Halliburton should be forbidden to do business there.

Give the reconstruction jobs to local businesses and workers, to put money back into the local economy. Outsiders can not recreate the mystic quality of the city, nor can they understand the city's soul. The music, the food, the buildings, all of it...it's something that only people who have lived there a long time, or were born there, can understand and recreate, in my own humble opinion. Keep Halliburton and the cabal's other cronies out.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:51 AM
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32. Merci mon cher.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:41 PM
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46. Aw
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:23 AM
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43. Peggy Wilson? There's a name out of the past.
As for Sapir, no one here should be confused to think that Sapir would be a breath of fresh air. I don't know who would be, but it ain't Eddie.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:45 PM
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47. Peggy Wilson's a fruitcake...But I like Eddie Sapir, I do n/t
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:48 PM
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25. if he were only the the chimp's brother. . .
that was his ultimate undoing.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:59 PM
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26. Repukes Like NAGIN Only Take Office for Contracts
He endorsed the Repuke candidate for governor, and

He only RELUCTANTLY endorsed KERRY.

He's got defenders HERE because he's got a Dem label.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:12 PM
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28. It's true and thanks for commenting what you just did
Ray Reagan endorsed Bobby Jindal...he failed to endorse Kathleen Babineaux Blanco.

He probably ONLY endorsed Kerry because the Landrieu's strongarmed him. He might have endorsed Kerry, but he gave his MONEY to Junior in 2000 and 2004.

People want a Disneyfied and Gentrified NOLA, then vote for Ray Reagan.

With any luck, he'll come in third...behind Sapir and Wilson.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:28 AM
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41. And, since he himself was a Repuke
until the last minute he switched to Dem to get the job.

Sorry, I am sure that he was hurting while his citizens died, we all were, but it does not make him trustworthy IMO.

But who am I to complain, I live in the dirtiest state in the Union. I hope the good citizens of New Orleans make good choices for themselves in upcoming elections, just as we in Ohio hope to do as well.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:06 PM
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27. I've NEVER supported Ray Nagin...NEVER trusted the man
Come February, the man to support is Eddie Sapir.

Nagin, who is a Republican, he's now SO desperate for support and money, he's snuggling up to this pig Boysie Bollinger, Bollinger is a longtime GOP fundraiser. So that tells me that Ray Reagan NEVER left the party.

Eddie Sapir is my man, he's a lifelong Democrat, he's white, but the black folk trust him.

The last white Mayor of NOLA was Moon Landrieu, Daddy of Senator Landrieu and Lt. Governor Landrieu.

For those misguided who EVEN think of supporting Nagin, then read THIS article...you support Nagin, you're going to let Peggy Wilson in, she's the Republican witch...so PLEASE don't do it:

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/weekly/news/articlegate.pl?20051024y

If anyone has any questions about this subject, then I'll be happy to try and answer them.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:18 AM
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34. Good for you.
I'm sure Mayor Nagin is losing sleep over your intarweb pontifications as we speak.
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:20 AM
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35. You're letting Bush/Brownie off the proverbial hook...
Nagin may be flawed, but coordinating a mass evacuation was FEMA's job, not the local authorities. Hindsight is 20/20, but foresight was Bushco's job, and they failed, miserably.

MojoXN
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:02 AM
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36. Oye vay
Well I guess I got hit by the "soft on Bush" police.

OK, I'll repeat myself. Good night.

The Bush White House handling of the Katrina disaster was an abomination. The worst disaster management in history, revealing that the Department of Homeland Security failed in its first major test (supporting that agency's creation was a mistake too).
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:42 AM
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37. You are mistaken. Evacs are the local and state officials jobs. Not FEMA.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:02 AM
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39. Once FEMA was in charge, they were supposed to do something.
They didn't.

FEMA had authority because of the scale of the disaster, and they had authority from early on. They did not act.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:28 PM
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48. I despise FEMA but they had nothing to do with the failure to evac prior
to impact.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:24 AM
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40. More RW spin disguised as fact
Ok, you decide: there are 110,000 New Orleanians without cars. Contra flow means they get to make one trip. You can seat 30,000 people optimistically.

Pick the 80,000 to leave behind.

Also, you might want to address how to load them. Do the police shoot the paniced people who get out of line, knowing there aren't enough seats, or do you let them just riot and have the strong trample the weak to get seats.

Go on, pick.

This is a right-wing "black people are stupid" meme, and I would appreciate it if you would stop doing their work for them. Have you been reading Wikipedia? It's thoroughly freeped and worthless on this subject.

Nagin is not the best pick for mayor. I've been gone along time, but there is already a thread going in the Louisiana forum about his possible replacement.

But please dont' bring up this rascist, right-wing crap.

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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:20 AM
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42. there are no Democratic primaries
everyone Demos, Repubs, and the kooks all run in one open primary with a runoff between the top two, if necessary.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:30 AM
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44. Nagin should not run for mayor - He should run for President
His quiet dignity in handling the Bush hurricane makes him the best man in our party to run this country.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:56 AM
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45. 'Um
Except he's a REPUBLICAN, you DO know that don't you? He's a lifelong Repuke, he's given them money he's STILL giving them money...he switched parties just DAYS before the election because he KNEW he couldn't win otherwise.

Now he's up shit creek without a paddle, he's snuggling up to Boysie Bollinger who's a LONGTIME Repuke fundraiser in Louisiana.

I want NO part of Ray Reagan, never have, never will...and that's what MANY people in NOLA have always called him...Ray Reagan.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:30 PM
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49. The explanation was that Blanco was told by FEMA not to use the buses
as they would be sending air-conditioned ones. They did. On Thursday. Yeah. Big help. Thanks FEMA. They did more to get in the way of help than they did to help.

That's why.
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