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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:36 PM
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While you were distracted.....(the Patriot Act)
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 11:07 PM by Dover
Endless sunset

Posted by Rachel Neumann at 1:03 PM on October 28, 2005.

Endless sunset
While you were, ah, distracted, Congress was quietly renewing every major provision of the Patriot Act.

Most of the provisions of the USA Patriot Act, including access to library records, were supposed to "sunset" this month, five years after the law's passing. Instead, both the House and the Senate have already voted to renew the entire act, with only minor revisions. While they're at it, they'd like to add some decidedly unpatriotic amendments to expand the death penalty.

These new amendments would let prosecutors shop around for another jury if the one they have is deadlocked on the death penalty; triple the number of terrorism-related crimes eligible for the death penalty; and authorize the death penalty for a person who gives money to an organization whose members kill someone, even if the contributor did not know that the organization or its members were planning to kill.

The Patriot Act was enacted during what President Bush called "a state of emergency." It wasn't even read by most of the members who voted for it. But the whole point of the sunset clause was to allow Congresspeople to actually read the bill and debate it in calmer times. Now, the Act is effectively being made permanent with little or no debate or discussion.

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The Patriot Act - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

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House approves renewal of Patriot Act
Critics voice concern over civil liberties

Friday, July 22, 2005; Posted: 3:25 a.m. EDT (07:25 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The House voted by a wide margin Thursday night to renew expiring provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the collection of antiterrorism measures passed after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The final vote was 257-171. The bill makes permanent 14 of 16 provisions in the act set to expire next year and extends two others for another 10 years.

Passage came with the specter of terrorism fresh in lawmakers' minds after another round of bombing incidents in London earlier in the day. (Full story)

The Senate is considering its own reauthorization of the Patriot Act, and the differences between the two versions will have to be hashed out in a conference committee in the coming months...cont'd

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/21/patriot.act/

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Senate Wants Patriot Act Extended

(AP) The GOP-controlled Senate voted Friday to make permanent most of the expiring provisions of the anti-terrorist USA Patriot Act.

Senators, however, set new four-year expiration dates on the most controversial provisions of the law, those allowing federal agents to use roving wiretaps and to search library and medical records.

The passage of the Senate legislation, which was by voice vote minutes before the chamber left for a month-long summer break, sets up a fall confrontation with the Republican-controlled House, which wanted 10-year expirations, or sunsets, on those two provisions...cont

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/30/politics/main712865.shtml

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AP) Some of the nation's most powerful business groups are splitting with the Bush administration over whether to restrict the anti-terror USA Patriot Act.

The business groups complained to Congress on Wednesday that the Patriot Act makes it too easy for the government to get confidential business records. That put them at odds with one of President Bush's top priorities: the unfettered extension of the law passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

In the first organized criticism of the act from the business sector, these groups endorsed amendments that would require investigators to say how the information they seek is linked to individual suspected terrorists or spies, and would allow businesses to challenge the requests in courts and to speak publicly about those requests.

Their views could make a difference as Congress heads toward a vote on whether to extend some controversial provisions of the act that expire at the end of the year. ..cont'd

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/business/main917332.shtml

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Patriot Act to Be Extended Indefinitely
"Many of the wiretapping and foreign intelligence amendments sunset on December 31, 2005." <1> (http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31377.pdf)

On July 21, 2005, the US House of Representatives "voted to extend indefinitely the anti-terrorist USA Patriot Act, while limiting to 10 years two provisions of the law that have become linchpins in the ongoing congressional debate: allowing federal agents to use roving wiretaps and to search library and medical records," according to Associated Press's Glen Johnson.

"Forty-three Democrats joined 214 Republicans in passing the bill, which dropped 14 of 16 expiration dates on provisions initially drafted into the law shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks," he wrote, and only hours earlier "the Senate Judiciary Committee approved its own general extension of the law, but it called for Congress to re-examine the wiretap and library provisions after another four-year time period. The full Senate likely will vote on the bill this fall, before the competing measures are reconciled in a conference committee." <2> (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050722/ap_on_go_co/patriot_act)


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Patriot_Act_I



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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:38 PM
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1. Who are the Dems who voted for it?
:kick:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:53 PM
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7. yeah, that's what I wanna know!!!
:kick:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:38 PM
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2. this isn't the least bit surprising. every time our attention is focused
on one specific thing, you can bet congress and that pretender in the white house are up to something really, really bad.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:44 PM
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3. ACLU supports Senate version
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=19318&c=206

Right-Left Coalition Calls for Senate Version of Patriot Act Reforms

While the House bill only makes cosmetic changes to some of the most egregious provisions and makes the law worse in many ways, the Senate bill fine-tunes the act to better protect civil liberties and privacy.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:44 PM
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4. The media will tell us everything
I am particularly interested in the definition of illegal combatant that makes people non-citizens without a trial and without rights without a trial.

The media is the fourth estate and they will protect us from the excesses and tyranny of government.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:38 AM
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14. Um, did you forget the
sarcasm smiley?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:44 PM
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5. Read the whole thing it HAS NOT been done yet.
Still, the House and the Senate are still in negotiations over the final wording of the bill and so it hasn't been made final yet.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:07 AM
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18. ~~its just a matter of time~~
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:46 PM
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6. anybody got a roll call?
or did the cowards do it on a voice vote.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:04 PM
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11. See this web site
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:55 AM
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22. i don't see it
maybe i am stupid. bill number?
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AndyP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 10:58 PM
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8. Death Penalty to anyone who donates to
an organization who kills people?? That's it for any republican contributors-problem solved.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:00 PM
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9. I remember when they were debating about the P.A. right
after 9/11. The biggest Repug talking point was "even if it does intrude on some civil liberties, it's only temporary, there is a "sunset clause" after all." :eyes:

Gonna look for the Roll Call.. would like to know who supported this as well...
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:05 PM
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12. Roll Call HERE:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll414.xml

43 Dems voted for it and 14 Repubs against... Pelosi says she hopes the Senate will remove some controversial items and it will come back for another vote. I'm holding my breath :eyes:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:01 PM
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10. I e-mailed my reps to vote against it, especially the
"sneak and peek" provision. But I have little hope for my Freeper congressman. He's on the committee...:-(
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:16 PM
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13. If this doesn't spell it out for people in big BOLD PRINT....what will?
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 11:21 PM by Dover
Their intentions couldn't be more clear. All that BS by both parties about how they signed because of the emergency of 9/11...
And that document was written and ready to go back then. It wasn't thrown together to address that emergency at all.

On edit: Please review the original post again. More links/articles added.
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chimppyhater Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:29 AM
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15. I guess I'm not
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 03:29 AM by chimppyhater
a patriot or a good American...
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:55 AM
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16. It's not about distraction
it's about who controls the government. Period.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:01 AM
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17. Why would anyone who actually believed in
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 07:04 AM by Solly Mack
liberty and justice (you know , the "principles" America is supposed to be based on) ever vote for such a tyrannical measure as the Patriot Act? (much less vote to renew such a criminal piece of legislation)

I just can't think of a single solitary acceptable excuse for anyone who would erode (destroy) America's guiding principles that way.

I guess it was just pratical compromise.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:47 AM
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19. The conspirators have finally had their way...
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 07:50 AM by Q
...and by the time 2008 rolls around...democracy will have become virtually extinct.

The Neocons and Neodems have finally taken over the two major parties and are transforming the US government into an oligarchy right before our eyes. Everything we've been warned about for over 200 years is coming to pass...especially about the military/industrial complex and 'standing armies'.

Many of us have wondered since 2000 why the (new) Democratic party leadership didn't put up much of a fight about stolen elections, shadow governments and imperial presidencies. But now we can see that they were actually working with the Right towards a common goal: destroy the 'new deal', anything to do with social welfare and turn the office of president into a monarchy....with congress there to simply rubber stamp the desires of the ruling class.

The 'old' Democrats...the liberals and progressives that would never have let this happen...have been marginalized and smeared by the 'new' leadership of the party and their corporate media.

It's not defeatist to say that there's little we can do about it now besides a (peaceful) revolution. It's simply a recognition of reality.
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Lannes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 07:51 AM
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20. The way things are going
If we dont win in 06'.Eventually all forms of peaceful dissent will be known as "terrorism".
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:19 AM
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21. Think about it. This is a handful of people
deciding to trash over 200 years of progress, deciding that they are "better" than the average American (who employs them, no less!), taking our rights away faster than we can spin our heads.

I keep thinking about the French Revolution, and how in my history lessons, all of the "elite" ruling class got sacked.

This is a big country. One day, the sheeple WILL wake up. And they are gonna be pissed.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:17 AM
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23. Very disturbing news
The DEATH PENALTY for someone who contributes to an organization that kills people?

Does that include the Republican Party?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 09:36 AM
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24. Good call... it should... Bushitler is a serial killer
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