Morning Sedition is going off at the end of the month. WTF?

[Skidmore]

What happened? MS is one of my favorite programs. What the heck is going on? I love Mark & Mark. Maron was looking for homes for his cats now.

[skiddlybop]

1. Where's your evidence?

Provide a link.

[Skidmore]

3. I was just listening to MS and Maron said he needed to find a home

two of his cats since he'll be gone by the end of the month. That it's a cat lover's chance to get a part of MS history. Last week I saw at thread about some shake up coming at AAR.

[hlthe2b]

2. I was just about to do a search... Mark M. has been signaling

contract negotiation difficulties and increasing annoyance at Danny Goldberg ([e-mail]) and if you go over to www.airamericaplace.com, there are some posters on the MS forum who suggest that complaints over content were the problem?????


I emailed Goldberg. Suggest you do the same. If anyone has real insider news, I'd appreciate it.

[Cooley Hurd]

7. Done - K&R!

My email:

Mr. Goldberg;

I would like to register my displeasure over the possibility that 'Morning Sedition" will be removed from the AirAmerica lineup. 'MS" is one of the smartest and funniest shows on AirAmerica and you would be making a serious error if you were to indeed remove the program from your network.

Please reconsider.

Regards,
CH

Ooops - the email addy provided above might've been incorrect (my email was kicked back. Looking for a better one... :(

[hlthe2b]

10. Danny Goldberg's correct email addy:

[e-mail]

Sorry... I'd posted it before and thought I remembered it. THis one is correct.

[Cooley Hurd]

12. Ahh - thanks!

:thumbsup:

[yorkiemommie1]

32. i heard that as well; just emailed

thanks so much for the link!

[scarletlib]

66. Thanks for the link. I just sent an e-mail.

[kevinmc]

19. I wrote him.......

Living in California I get up at 3:00am to stream Morning Sedition, been doing it since day one. I also was a fan of UNfiltered. AAR seems like they are trying to make what the Right-Wing has been saying about them folding, come true.

The more I think about this the more pissed I get.

[hlthe2b]

20. I'm in Denver and while my alarm goes off during Rachel M

at 3 AM, I usually do fully waken to listen to MSat 4AM. NO other show would have me up that early, I can damned well tell you. Perfect mix of politics (and excellent, excellent interviews for those who don't realize--before many AAR shows were getting them), novel comedy and morning craziness. I was pissed about unfiltered, but this will really have me questioning whether AAR is headed in the right direction. We all know Franken is gone soon (and hasn't been the same since Katherine left anyway), I don't have anything personal against Springer-- but I HATE his show--sorry, I do. For those of us with affiliates, much of the remaining AAR programming schedule has been screwed up with Ed Schultz or other local "talent" being intermixed. Even worse is Alan Colmes on XM--which I invested in. I detest having those FAUX freepers on my radio. I don't allow Faux tv in my house, so why do I have to have it on my paid radio.


Long story short, this is worth fighting for. Please email and then call or snail mail. Please.

[NYCGirl]

62. Alan Colmes will be off Air America on XM in January, putting

Malloy's show on in its regular time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. YAY!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!! I cannot STAND Colmes!

Here's to Malloy! :toast:

[Moochy]

61. You too?

Being a MS listener who was seriously fuming at SF's AAR affilliate KQKE's s choice to replace the time delayed morning sedition with
JERRY SPRINGER.

Podcasting means kqke gets NONE of my ears for the adverts. (fine by me)
and I can only imagine that Jerry's show is doing worse in the Bay Area, but only the radio stations has access to the arbitron numbers on individual shows.

[sbj405]

4. If true, I sense AAR will not be around much longer.

The fact that a number of personalities have left over contract issues tells me something is messed up. These aren't high powered stars demanding big bucks. I loved Unfiltered and Jerry is a weak substitute. Morning Sedition and Randi are all that I listen to now.

[Skidmore]

5. Me too. I list to MS & Randi and sometimes Franken.

I have no use for Springer and Malloy is on past my bedtime, or I would listen to him.

Why did they get new studios and stuff recently only to fold?

[Peggy Day]

8. www.airamericaplace.com

you can listen to broadcasts that were missed

[crikkett]

15. Unfiltered was a great show & I miss it.

Boy I loved Unfiltered and I usually tuned in to Morning Sedition to wait for it. Still download Rachel's show each am., the only AAR show I listen to anymore because I got tired of the formula: all the same rehashed political stuff all day long. Too bad the station can't be a sassy NPR.

By the way, if Morning Sedition is cancelled, doesn't that mean AAR loses their only non-white host?

[glitch]

48. A sassy NPR! That is all I want! Wouldn't that be so great? nt

[iconoclastNYC]

59. No they have two black dudes on the weekends.

And it seems from the show that the contract problem is between AAR and Marc Maron. I'm guessing he wants a pay increase. He might be dissapointed with the job?

[K-W]

16. How do you figure that? EOM

[yorkiemommie1]

33. me, too

n/t

[IndyOp]

36. Sam Seder said he just signed a 3 year contract -

Majority Report seems solid. Sam seems similar to Rachel Maddow and Laura Flanders to me -- similar careful researchers and quick minds. I would hate to loose Mark & Marc because I appreciate the humor. I would not mind have Rachel & Marc join forces in the morning.

[bunkerbuster1]

43. Hmm. Rachel takes Maron's place? That'd work.

Totally different tone for the show if that were to happen. Rachel's funny, funny as hell sometimes, but she's not stand-up comic funny.

I like Mark a lot, I'd hate to see him go. And frankly I love Rachel's hourlong show so much I almost would hate to see that go as well, although I'd take three hours of her over one any time.

[wryter2000]

50. I love Rachel

But having her take over for Marc would not work. Is she going to do Marc the Shark or play counterpart to Lawton Smalls? "God loves you, Rachel. Deal with it." No way, no how.

[bunkerbuster1]

56. The show would change a lot. Maron casts a big shadow

But I don't believe that he's irreplacable.

Beyond that, yeah, I hear ya. I don't really think Maddow is headed to work as Mark Riley's comic foil, just saying she could.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

6. WTF?

That's the best show on AAR -- perfect mix of politics, humor and the non-political.

And I know this may be blasphemy to many on this board, but I'd take Morning Sedition over Mike Malloy any day.

[whometense]

72. not blasphemy to me. n/t

[NewJeffCT]

9. that would suck

today is the end of the month, too!

[hlthe2b]

11. please email your opinion to [e-mail]

[Skidmore]

13. Done.

[vi5]

14. I'm thinkin Air America's days are numbered...

..go ahead and flame me if you want. But overall it's too disjointed. Just look at the reactions you get on here to the varying programs. "I hate Franken and can't listen to him!" I hate Randi and can't listen to her!" etc. etc. etc. Much like liberals and political office people have very specific views of what they like and don't like and what they will and won't tolerate so there ends up being no unity and everything suffers. We feel the need to tear down our own when they disagree with us, if possibly even harsher than when we tear down the other side.

The fact is that the other side no matter how much they will grumble about this, that or the other thing that such and such politician or liberal personality does, still support the party and what the party says that ideology will be over everything else.

Air America represents a cross section of "liberal" types and liberal ways of looking at and dealing with things. From firebrands like Randi, to more ominous conspiratorial types like Malloy, to centrists like Franken, to humorous wiseasses like the morning Marks. And there's no unifying ideology between them. Contrast that with (in NYC at least) 770 AM which has all the conservative talkers in NY. You listen to Rush, Hannity, Sliwa and their whole line up and they are talking about the same points in the same way and sticking to it. As with everything else our inclusiveness and our diversity is both our crowning acheivement and more often than not the source of our undoing.

[K-W]

17. I dont think conservatives and liberals should be approached the same way,

and I think you are downplaying the differences between conservative hosts. I would bet that to a conservative, the AAR hosts probably sound alot more alike than they do to us.

All radio networks have hosts with different styles and that is a good thing. People have different tastes, you cant try to appeal to 100% of the people, its impossible.

[vi5]

21. But I'm not even talking rhetorical styles.....

I'm talking ideological bent. Hannity, Rush, Hewitt, etc. are all different rhetorically speaking, as our AAR folks are. But our AAR folks differ politically as do their fans. The biggest of all the conservative talkers all float the same spin with the same talking poitns and always ALWAYS stretch everything they do to favor the republican party above all else. We don't have anything like that because dems and liberals are all so different. It's not a bad thing it just makes it all an uphill battle for us.

[underpants]

28. I agree. What should raise suspicions is their selling point it seems

First-I'm not in that industry but there have been plenty of signs that things are not going that well. Franken's co-host just up and leaves, the only ones not upset it seems are Al and Jeanine and even she has another job now, Randi seems to go out of her way to make comments on Franken....etc.

The reason this really pisses me off is that there will be nothing but HAHAHAs from RW radio for a long time about this. I weened myself off of even listening to RW for giggles and it has made a huge difference in un clouding the mind on issues. Amazing how effective they actually are.

Now to my subject line. You are right-they say the same thing about the same topic everyday. Even Rush openly calls it the "echo chamber". I have always thought it is odd how they all have exactly the same opinion on exactly the same topic (90% of the time). Hell I find myself double checking MYSELF on some issues and how can everyone be so upset about __________ on the same day? This is what I never understood about their listeners-are they that incurious?

LEt me finish by saying that RW radio has really created a dependence for their product. My wife's co-workers didn't know who Libby was and had no idea what to say about the indictments on Friday. RW radio had ignored it for the most part. Amazing.

[Armstead]

29. Those differences should make it more compelling

Who wants to hear the approved Democratic Talking Points repeated endlessly?

I can get that by watching the cable nets and seeing the same old politicians and "strategists" avoiding the same issues.

A network like Air America ought to reflect the ferment that is going on, and not just be a 24/7 paid advertisement for the Beltway Crowd.

[vi5]

30. I'm not saying that's what I want to hear...

But it's why you can't get a large, bulk, built in audience like RW radio has. They will listen to anything that echoes their thoughts and provide them with talking points. We don't do that. And I'm o.k .with that, but we can't act surprised when it costs them listeners and or costs politicians votes.

[Armstead]

38. What I'm saying is that if it's done right it would be more interesting

Once upon a time, Talk Radio really meant Talk Radio. There were guiys like Michael Jackson on KABC (not THAT MJ) who actually talked about things with callers and interviewed guests in a more open minded fashion.

or the good old NPR, when they had shows like Talk of the Nation with Ray Suarez, who would delve into subjects from different viewpoints.

It was less predictable, and thus more engaging.

The same thing can be done in a partisan sense, with real discussion and debate, instead of the Amen Chorus for maroons like Hannity and Rush do.

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Unfortunately, I tend to agree...

It took years for the rightwing stations and airheads to get where they are, and getting there was a combination of market forces, slick merchandising, and an overall conservative swing of the pendulum.

http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

is where you can find the ratings, and WLIB, the AA station in the NY metro area, is #23, with WABC, the Rush/Hannity station, #8.

This in NYC?

Part of this is due to WLIB being a low-power station not able to reach the entire market, and part of it is a lot of suburbanites in the market are not as liberal as NYC. And some Spanish stations are really kicking ass in that market.

But, I'd say most of it is that WABC has been around for a long time and had the ability to spend years finding its most profitable lineup. Their message is fairly uniform, and speaks to a pretty homogenous type of listener. It doesn't hurt them that they are now plugged into both the RNC and White House and can stick to a uniform party line.

AA took on a pretty big job-- rather than slowly syndicating its stars it decided to build an entire network from scratch without market testing. It did a damn good job hitting the air with a bang, but now the long job of slogging through nationwide programming to maximize listeners and revenue is starting to take its toll.

I hope it makes it, but its prospects really don't look that good.

[IndyOp]

37. You have good points, but the XM contract changes the

scene quite a lot. They have the financial support they need to stay afloat while they pull together.

Re: WABC having been around for years - I grew up in St. Louis and there the talk radio station that dominates is KMOX. The KMOX line-up has changed dramatically over the decades, but people don't change the dial. KMOX rules. (Or at least it did from 1950 until 1990 or so).

[Borgnine]

18. Ugh, that sucks.

Morning Sedition and Mike Malloy are the only two programs I love on Air America.

[Talismom]

22. Me too! They're the best! I used to enjoy unfiltered, but Springer is just

too wishy-washy. Randi insults,interupts and talks over everyone. Al and Majority report are OK at times, can be informative but nothing to write home about. The Marc/Marks and Malloy are just consistantly on target and great listening!

[Spiffarino]

82. Ditto!

Oops...:)

Seriously, I agree with everything you said. Majority Report is better without Janeane. She's much better on TV than radio. Sam Seder is good and I find him much more listenable than Janeane G. I think if they teamed him up with Rachel Maddow it would be a pretty hot show.

I'd like to see Franken teamed with or replaced by Thom Hartmann or Joe Conason. Al can't hold the show down by himself because his delivery is much too slow and his humor far too visual for radio.

[Talismom]

85. And I totally agree with what you say about Franken! He needs some

help badly!

I'm starting to drift from the station with the exception of MS and Malloy. I've been going back to Pacifica more and more--especially during Springer's show. Now that there screwing with the Marc/ks I'm afraid Malloy is gonna be it for me...

It's sad 'cuz I really was addicted to it for about a year!

[ET Awful]

23. I believe he said that HE was leaving, not that the show was going off

That's why the rest of the guys were saying they'd miss having him there, etc. It sounded to me like the rest were staying.

I don't know for sure to be honest.

[yorkiemommie1]

34. yes, that's what i heard

... that show would be altered. he would be there for a few weeks more in some capacity but moving back to LA eventually.

edit to say: would love to hear him on a station here in LA.

[calmblueocean]

24. Nooooo!

ARgh! I wrote an e-mail to Danny Goldberg last week when I heard that Morning Sedition might be ending, but I thought it was just a rumor. How can they shoot themselves in the foot like this? Morning Sedition was the one show they had that really has broad, national appeal like the Daily Show. Maron is funny as hell, and so are Jim Earl and Kent Jones, the two guys who portray most of the characters.

I just can't believe it. What to do?

[Dawgs]

25. Maron is not funny to everyone!!!

I can find three other local stations (Atlanta) that are funnier than Morning Sedition. The difference is that I'm looking for political talk from AAR, not comedy.

I know many of you aren't interested in hearing political talk in the morning, but with everything that's happened these past few weeks, it's all I want to hear. I'm surprised that there aren't others that feel the same way.

[Armstead]

27. This sucks

I heard it coming, but still it'll be a big loss.

Maron was an acquired taste, but once you acquire it, he's almost addictive. He's like the unvarnished id of progressives, saying what many are thinking.

Damn Air America. The only way they can redeem themselves at this point would be to but Rachael Maddow on at a decent time.

[obreaslan]

31. Just sent my email....

Mr. Goldberg;

I am contacting you to express my disappointment over the possibility that Morning Sedition will be removed from the AirAmerica lineup. Of all shows in the line-up, Morning Sedition has the best balance of humor and intelligence. Removing this show would be a very serious error in a long line of errors in the recent history of AirAmerica.

.I originally signed up for Sirius Satellite radio because they played the complete AirAmerica line-up, as opposed to XM which only played select shows. Then due to a dispute between your company and Sirius, AAR was no longer on Sirius. I still stayed with you via the stream on the Internet and WHAT-AM in Philadelphia. Then, AirAmerica was pulled from WHAT-AM in what the radio station told us was another "contract dispute". Now you are removing the Morning Sedition, the last of my favorite shows, and this is the last straw for me.

I question your business strategy. I have to wonder if there is a future for AirAmerica with you at the helm. The company seems to be going in reverse. Please reconsider the removal of Morning Sedition. For all of us that still have hope that real Progressive Radio is possible.

Thank you for your time.

[calmblueocean]

35. Marc Maron is the most important host on AAR. Period.

Every other host speaks to their base, but Marc Maron grows the base. I know this because I have friends who aren't particularly political who have taken to listening to Morning Sedition and love it.

Go to The Snotgreen Sea and d/l some of their archives, especially Planet Bush. Once you listen to Lawton Smalls, you can never hear any whiny, hyperreligious Republican the same way. This is exactly the way we grow our base, not by hardcore political proselytizing. Given a rant or a joke to make a point, the joke wins every time.

I'd encourage you if you haven't written to [e-mail] to do so, and maybe send a copy to [e-mail] too, just to let them know. You don't know what you got 'til it's gone, and we'll lose something important if MS goes for good.

[whometense]

70. Totally agree.

I was so upset this morning I went and donated money, and then wrote an email to DannyG and gave him a piece of my mind.

I was thinking Marc's agonizing over his contract talks was schtick, but last week he sounded a little off, and I was starting to get uneasy. Terrible news. That show bounces me out of bed every morning with a laugh. I feel sick about it.

[nashville_brook]

39. oh but you are gonna LOVE their REPLACEMENTS!

3 hours of Alan Colmes.

[Nabia2004]

40. Morning Sedition is the most entertaining show on Radio

but the shows air time sucks for me, still sleeping, I almost always miss it.

[Festivito]

41. Replaced with?... AAR seems fine to me. Some hate Rush, but listen.

What is replacing Morning Sedition. Is there a reason given, no reason given?

If there is the thought that AAR might be sabotaged, say just prior to the '06 elections, then we'd better be ARMING OURSELVES now.

[K8-EEE]

42. Flame Away, But I Like Steph Miller (in their old time slot here in LA)

I prefer it although I would mind listening to Sedition in a different time slot. Currently it's on 3-6 a.m. here and I do catch the tail end but Maron is sometimes to doomsday for me to feel like that early in the morning, Stephanie Miller is funny, I need FUNNY at 6 a.m. That guy who does the Arnie impersonations really has my daughter and I laughing out loud in the worst traffic.

[burythehatchet]

44. The few times I've heard Stephanie Miller

she has been really good.

[WA98296]

46. Are you serious? You like her? I've been listening to her this morning and

personally I find antics like playing clips Patrick Fitgerald coupled with the sounds of what is suppose to be a woman climaxing to be completely immature, stupid, and a waste. Nor to I find it cute that she chooses to rant that she is going to marry Fitz. I guess that sort of thing must appeal to some, but really wouldn't our time be better spent with some better information and less garbage?

[K8-EEE]

53. I Think They're Hilarious

I have a 10th grade carpool from 6:30 to 7:30 -- we all just yuck it up listening to that, sophmoric humor for high school sophomores and mom too, it works for us! Didn't hear that one the thing she does where Miers is doing the "Cootie Catcher" with GWB (1, 2, 3, 4....you're the best governor EVER! 1, 2, 3...you and Laura are KEWL!) just caused hysterics in my car. Much nicer than cussing out the Hollywood freeway traffic or listening to their music!

[burythehatchet]

58. Whether you like it or not

In order to have the opportunity to educate, you must first get their attention. That is a numbers issue. Period. People like you are already aware of the issues. In order to attract more ears you have to appela to a lowER common denominator. Its a sad reality in this environment. It seems to me that if you are looking for all programming to be molded to your sensibilities, then we will have won you over, and no one else, perhaps.

[whometense]

71. In Boston

Stephanie Miller follows Morning Sedition. I've grown to love her show. I love both of them.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but too many of the AAR shows are 3-hour harangues. I like my radio leavened a bit.

[TriMetFan]

57. Me too. I podcast her show and find her

hell of alot funnier then MS. Now I like Mark over Marc. I also think that Mark and Rachel would be a good team.

[Arugula Latte]

45. Damn. I'd rather listen to Mark than anyone else on AAR.

:(

[wryter2000]

47. Shit

They made it so no one can hear it on the West Coast unless we get up at 3:00 am. Now this! This sucks!

On edit: e-mail sent. This shall not stand! :mad:

[calmblueocean]

49. Recommend this topic for the Greatest page

The window of time we have to save Morning Sedition is closing.

[bunny planet]

51. They should get rid of Springer, replace him with Stephanie Miller and

leave Mark and Mark alone. Also put Thom Hartmann on during the week, at least two days in Al's slot, 3 days to Al as deference for his lending his drawing power to the beginning of the enterprise, but an easy transition to Hartmann, who is excellent, by exposing more weekday listeners to him before Al leaves for politics. Springer is literally uninformed, he is exactly what they don't need in these turbulent times. Maybe Rachel Maddow's 5 am show should be rebroadcast for the first hour of Morning Sedition so that those of us who don't get up that early can hear her.

[K8-EEE]

52. You Should Be The Programmer!! Springer SUCKS!

He's soooo boring -- I've never been able to get through to even one commercial break, he's like sitting next to a boring guy on the subway who insists on reading you his newspaper.

[Moochy]

63. Signing springer

is clear evidence that the people who run AAR think that democratic listeners are stupid.

They think by appealing to his TV viewers(?) they'll get some Lowest Common Denominator and get a higher arbitron numbers for the timeslot.

money money money

[Ganja Ninja]

54. I agree Springer is the weakest act on AAR.

[calmblueocean]

55. That would be a great lineup.

I totally don't understand why they thought Springer would be a good idea. Just the fact that he's on AAR works against them.

[fudge stripe cookays]

77. No kidding!

LEt's give Rachel a better spot. I'd rather listen to her any day than Springer.

Why do they keep destroying my favorite shows? I'm running out of reasons to listen.

fsc

[trekbiker]

60. What?!?!?! Morning Sedition is the best part of AAR

[gatorboy]

64. What a horrible decision.

It's right up there with replacing Unfiltered with Springer. Unfiltered was one of the best left leaning shows they had. Springer is clown shoes compared to it.
It seems more and more as if AAR wants to move to the center to pick up more listeners....

[NYCGirl]

65. If Maron made demands during contract negotiations and AAR management

decided not to meet those demands, it has nothing to do with political ideology. It's merely business. The same would happen in any other industry.

[robbedvoter]

67. I'm writing to thank them. Maron mocked us after the stolen election

I stopped listening ever since. Rachel or anyone else would be a change for the better.

[checks-n-balances]

68. Who is the "US" that he mocked? n/t

[Rainscents]

69. AAR might want to bring Stephanie Miller!!!

[calmblueocean]

74. Sign this online petition, too:

Keep Marc Maron on Morning Sedition!

Nominate this post for the Greatest page if you haven't yet. More people trying to keep Marc Maron and Morning Sedition on the air at the Air America Place 'Morning Sedition' forum.

[checks-n-balances]

75. Done - THANKS for posting this!!

Please sign it, y'all, to keep M & M on AAR!

[scarletlib]

76. signed and kicked.

[Cooley Hurd]

78. Kicking - Marc made the announcement that Goldberg is behind...

...his ouster on this morning's program.:grr:

[checks-n-balances]

79. It's official: Marc Maron has been told he has to leave, by Goldberg

apparently. Marc just opened the show w/the announcement that "one person" has made this decision and he (Maron) will have to leave by the end of 2005, apparently.

Riley will continue, apparently, and the show will be re-tooled (unless the power that be decides to axe him too) so we'll all have to wait & see. Meantime, listen while you can.

SAD & SHAMEFUL!!

[calmblueocean]

80. I can't get over how boneheaded this is.

Political satire is huge right now, the Daily Show is an American institution. How can Goldberg be so shortsighted? He doesn't even write back. Argh.

All we can do is keep up the pressure.


Sign the online petition started to keep Marc Maron on the air:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mmms3214/petition.html

Send e-mail to:

Danny Goldberg, CEO
[e-mail]


Send snail mail to:

Air America Radio
641 Sixth Avenue
4th Floor
New York, NY 10011

Call the AAR corporate offices at: 1-212-871-8100.

Nominate this to the Greatest page.

[knitter4democracy]

84. Called and left a message.

I can't believe they'd mess up Air America like that by screwing with their best show!

[zorro349]

81. oh no

why is it that some liberals hate comedy w/ there information? jesus christ... the only person on that channel other than randi that is interesting and they get rid of him. what a bunch of morons... i will never listen to anything besides randi every again. I fully hope that AAR folds and randi gets her own contract w/ XM or something. Springer and Al make the most boring 6 hours of radio in the history of radio.. i'd rather be listening to the "delicious dish" for 10 hours straight about how to make meatballs or something... idiots...

[egadsbrain]

83. ok, I'm worried about the cats too!

I don't understand this move by Goldberg at all. If the NYC ratings aren't good enough, how about a little promotion? I meet people all the time who haven't even heard of Air America, let alone Morning Sedition. The show keeps getting better and Stern's going off the air soon freeing up thousands(millions?) of potential listeners.

if you're in the New York area, come to the live broadcast this Thursday! I've been to a couple and it's really fun... free coffee, anyone, free gum?
:donut:

O'Neal's ( 49 West 64th St. between Broadway and Central Park West) - Morning Seditions' last live broadcast - Thursday, November 3rd.

DON'T LET MARCS' CATS BECOME REFUGEES!