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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:32 AM
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Majority of SCOTUS are Catholic.
Roberts, Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito.
24.5% of U.S. population is Catholic.
56% of SCOTUS is.

Wonder what that bodes, if anything?
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:40 AM
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1. How many belong to Opus Dei? n/t
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:42 AM
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2. That's the scary question. Opus is insidious like rust on your car.
It eats away at your car and you don't know because it's hidden. That's Opus Dei. One day we'll wonder how we became a third-world country and you can point to Opus Dei.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:57 AM
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13. I don't think Opus Dei has as much power as you imagine.
Let me guess--the group was featured in "The Da Vinci Code"?
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:00 PM
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19. Don't underestimate them. They have far more power than you
may realize.

They're kind of the "stealth" organization and they go after the powerful to fill their ranks. They've been pretty successful at it.

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:06 PM
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21. Exactly how much power DO they have?
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 12:06 PM by Bridget Burke
Please point to known menbers in the US Government or Media. A link to that info would help. And some concrete examples of how they have influenced government policy, as well.

I'm not that fond of the group, but "The Da Vinci Code" is a novel.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:06 PM
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41. YES they do. An inordinate amount of power considering that there are
millions of Catholics in this country, yet only about 100,000 Opus Dei Catholics.


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:18 PM
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42. ya blm that is the point. except, i am seeing my normal catholic
being sucked into that opus dei, and it breaks my heart. i have faith though. may take time to see how they were suckered in, i cant hang with them right now, but i love em. and think of them often.

no, htis group is not the majority of the catholic, unfortunately they are gaining the power within the catholic walls
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:22 PM
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43. I hear ya. Happened to my mother in the early 70s. It's political design.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 01:23 PM by blm
The same political designers who pushed the evangelical fundamentalism in ALL religions.

Traditional catholic movement was funded by people like RevMoon.

Remember when all those catholic priests, bishops and nuns were murdered in South America? Many were replaced by politically connected "missionaries" who just happened to buddy up to the fascists.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:27 PM
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44. hm. thanks for the info
wasnt even falling catholicism way back then. i am sittin in amarillo. the group that went after schiavo is coming here to live. our planned parenthood just put up an iraon femce around their building because they are afraid. this group of catholics will be living in an old catholic school. they are coming here for a reason
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:43 PM
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34. Exactly... THAT is the question we should ask
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:43 AM
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3. Is that from the Richard Nixon report?
WTF is it with all this Catholic bashing today?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:46 AM
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6. Bashing? Who bashed?
I made a simple statement of fact and asked if it means anything.
This is bashing?
No, if I bash, you'll know it in no uncertain terms.
:shrug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:47 AM
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8. Where is your post pointing out the majority of SCOTUS are males?
Or white?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:57 AM
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15. Where? The same place where I point out that most candy canes
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 11:58 AM by trof
are red and white.
Or that 100% of mules are unable to reproduce.
It's not the subject I chose for the thread.

That's one of the things I like about this place. Although people may post any reply or comment they like, only I can choose and edit a thread subject.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:45 AM
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4. Anyone know of a forum where Catholic
progressives are welcome? I feel like I am supposed to go to the back of the bus here. :(
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:46 AM
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7. It's offensive to non-Catholics, too.
:hug: Alert is your friend.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:48 AM
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9. Don't worry. There is a loud minority at DU....
...who will take any opportunity to bitch about the Catholic Church.

It is one thing to disagree with Church policy. But some of these folks were born & bred to hate Catholicism.

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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:07 PM
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22. Who would these folks be?
Just asking.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:48 PM
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61. Check out this thread for a healthy dose of anti-Catholic prejudice:
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SeanQuinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:42 PM
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58. Hey, calico: We're over in the Catholic group.
Come by sometime.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:05 PM
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63. Thanks, I will! n/t
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:45 AM
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5. Well by the same token, 2 Justices are Jewish
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 11:46 AM by Danmel
to represent the population proportionately you'd need 1/10th of a Justice (or something equally minute). In and of itself, it should mean nothing. The issue is who appointed them and why. Remember- no religious tests for office.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:49 AM
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10. I mention them as interesting statistics,
not as a call for religious representational Supreme Court.
And 2 jews are not a majority.
I just wonder what it might mean (and is it good or does it matter) that 5 of 9 judges profess the same faith?
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:49 AM
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11. The Kennedies were Catholics, including ol' pro-choice, pro-union Teddy
Just sayin...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:19 PM
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28. there are two different groups of catholics. kerry, kennedy
those on this board belong in a group. scalia, roberts, thomas, pope, belong in a group. which group of the catholic religion is going to win

there are two groups in the baptist religion. we see which group won
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:44 PM
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35. I agree with you. But the OP doesn't make these distinctions
So I did. :)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:52 PM
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37. yet neither post did you acknowledge the group stinking up
the catholic religion. or did you? i want to go after the stink
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:35 PM
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48. On another thread like this, I did mention Opus Dei
There were several this morning.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:55 AM
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12. It bodes that Catholic haters will be posting a bunch of idiotic threads.
Disagree with Church policy? No problem. But we've got a vocal minority who have not escaped their "anti_Papist" upbringing.

I've not belonged to any organized religion for many years, but I was raised Catholic in the Bible Belt. Back in 1963, when the Principal announced that JFK had died--half my classmates cheered.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:58 AM
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18. I hear ya. Down South, the third "K" stands for Katholics.
...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:22 PM
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29. i dont hate catholics. please dont suggest i do. my husband is
catholics. i have three catholic friends, one baptist friend, no athiest friend. i would put kids in catholic church if they decide to go back to church. after their experience with baptist, they are weary right now.

i also see a group of catholics taking over in power and presenting a catholic that is not my husband, my friends and the catholics on this board

please dont suggest it is a hate of catholics. first you would be wrong. second it is offensive. and third, you would be wrong
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:42 PM
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33. Did you post a thread?
?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:51 PM
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36. actually i did yes. really not bashing religion. and i have
been on everyone of these idiotic threads talking about my issue with catholics and how i see a problem with the 4? catholics appointed and why. i also went further to explain why i am not bashing catholics, that i support the catholics that want to take back their religion from those that have hijacked it. i am on their side
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:53 PM
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38. I understand where you are coming from. The OP doesn't, though
The OP just says "CATHOLICS! OH NO!", not distinguishing among them and the differing views.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:03 PM
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40. well i hope to always differ. cause.... there is a difference
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 01:03 PM by seabeyond
thanks
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:39 PM
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57. By "OP", do you mean me? Original Poster?
And I said "CATHOLICS! OH NO!"?
Maybe it was disappearing ink.
;-)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:41 PM
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51. I don't hate African-Americans
see, some of my best friends are African-American...................
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:07 PM
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56. oh bullshit. but if you want me to have a problem
with catholics as a whole, by all means, make it so in your mind. yours to create.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:57 AM
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14. Catholics are monothestic, not monolithic
I thought the days when people thought all Roman Catholics got their marching orders directly from the Vatican disappeared after JFK was elected. I guess I was being overly optimistic.

And as for the Opus Dei threat, I liked "The Da Vinci Code", too, but it's fiction. I fear PNAC a LOT more than Opus Dei.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:58 AM
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16. And I thought Baptists were judgemental
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:58 AM
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17.  Actually someones religion doesn't bother its when they force us to
practice that religion.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:02 PM
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20. I'm astounded.
How and where did I insult Catholics?
Hell, I'm married to one.
She thinks it's odd that 5 (probably) of the justices belong to the same religion, no matter what it is.

I'm guessing this thread will be locked soon.
Some of us are too quick to manufacture offense where none existed.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:08 PM
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23. Well, you asked a question.
Now you have some answers.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:11 PM
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24. Not many. Mainly attacks for non-existent bashing.
whew
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:15 PM
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26. i am married to one too. my three best firends are catholics
i want my children to try catholic church if they can ever get ok with religion after what baptist culture did to them, turning away from bible

but....... i have a cathoilic group coming ot town to aggressively go after plan parenthood. put such fear in these women the had a huge rod iron fence put up around them. i have people being turned away form bc and morning after pill because of anothers religion being forced on me. these are facts. catholics and all of us have to own, and work agaisnt, unite
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:17 PM
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27. Yes, I'm astounded, too!
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 12:18 PM by Rabrrrrrr
Gotta be careful making factual statements around here. I'm surprised at how many just automatically assumed you are a sheet wearing anti-Papist Klan racist.

:shrug:

I, too, find it interesting that five are Catholic and two are Jewish, considering how heavily protestant this country is, and especially how heavily Protestant (and nutbag protestant, at that) some of the presidents have been who've nominated these guys/gals.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:07 PM
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64. didn't some protestants freak out over an attempt to have a Catholic
chaplain in congress??

I'm NOT flaming.....I'm wondering (as a former SoBapt who lived thru the Catholic bashing by the SoBapts in the 1960 election) if the SoBapts and pentecostals who form a large part of W's 'religious base' are aware of the number of Catholics on the Supreme Court

remember what the US learned about the Bob Jones College in SC hatred of Catholics

there is a religious wrong map of the world with mission fields high-lighted......on this map France is shown as only marginally Christian b/c there are so few 'born again' protestants there; the group who put out the map DO NOT consider Catholics christian
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:56 AM
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66. the tenderness to insult came from another thread where
the OP said that having 5 Catholics on the court was leading us back to the 15th century, and another poster suggested that there'd be a red phone to the Vatican (I believe he was kidding), and another poster agreed with him in all seriousness.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:14 PM
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25. What would YOUR answer be?

Original Post: "Wonder what that bodes, if anything?"

My Reply: "Nothing"

So what do you think having a Catholic majority on the Supreme Court bodes?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:42 PM
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59. Personally, I am uncomfortable with having ANY organized religion
in the majority on the court.
Now, if it were atheists, that would be a different matter.
;-)
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:26 PM
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30. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and I am not offended by what
you posted. It happens to be a fact that five of the members would be/could be Catholic if Alito is confirmed.

I don't think it bodes poorly for us liberals, however, but I could be wrong.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:33 PM
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31. Perhaps we could mindfuck the Jack Chick wing of the GOP a bit? (nt)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:38 PM
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32. I don't think this post is intended to bash Catholics.
However, I do think that this thread brings up the difficulties of communication, and the many meanings that a single statement can have for various people. I wonder how different the response would have been if the majority of SCJ's was Baptist, or Muslim, or Jewish, or Atheist. How many different meanings, taken in the context of history and its many interpretations, would we see in response?

And, yes, I am Catholic, at least a "cultural" one.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:57 PM
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39. SCOTUS don't porportionately represent the USA population
in many ways.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:31 PM
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45. All but one are Ivy Leaguers
All born on the right side of the tracks, all men, all white, . Thats a good cross section of these United States...not.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:00 PM
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46. Being Catholic
is not the problem, Many good liberals are Catholic. The danger are the Catholics that are Opus Dei.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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55. Exactly! n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:04 PM
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47. How many believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Any Zoroastrians on the court, perhaps? That's every bit as relevant.

What does concern me is the influence of secret socieities such as Opus Dei. Thomas is said to have converted to Catholicism at Scali's behest just so he could join Opus Dei. :scared:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:37 PM
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49. Spaghetti Monster? Isn't that an insult to Italian Americans?
Wasn't Mussolini's half brother seen in the company of a spaghetti monster?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 02:40 PM
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50. Gee, do the fundies know that?
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:45 PM
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60. politics makes for alliances of convenience.
This explains why Southern Baptists in Oklahoma can embrace Mormon Ernest Istook for governor, yet they call mormonism a cult. And they do this without a hint of hypcorisy, totally blinded by the thought of a getting a republican in the governors seat.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:15 PM
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52. Majority of SCOTUS want to impose their religion on others
That's all that matters about the men you named, whether their religion is Druid, Catholic or Agnostic.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:16 PM
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53. Yeah, and 50% of the Country is FEMALE
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:21 PM
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54. I can tell you, personally, I don't like it.
Nothing against Catholics, majority religion in my family, but their agenda and ideology are very self involved and I resent having their ideology so prominently represented on the highest court in America.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:55 PM
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62. Ummm....it bodes nothing.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 06:57 PM
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65. I just hope...
3 out of the 5 are cafeteria Catholics like me.


Or their wives have read Lysistrata.


Or the guy at the drugstore won't fill their daughters' day after prescriptions.


:D

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