Unless you voted for John Kerry...STFU about Alito!

[BIG Sean]

I am getting tired of people complaining about that horror of a President that we have if they didn't vote for John Kerry!

You have every right to vote for who you want...but if you voted for some third party candidate, then you most likely helped put that horror in office!

Elections mean something! THIS is why we have to support the Democratic candidates!

[ohio_liberal]

1. Huh?

Who here didn't vote for Kerry? I'm betting there are very few.

:shrug:

[liberalnurse]

8. I agree, as the only folks that may fall into

that catagory would be trolls who lurk.

[sandnsea]

27. Still think that?

Take a look at the thread, all the usual Dem bashing suspects.

[liberalnurse]

30. Now I'm absolutely sure.

I know what its all about now. You are such a trigger to keep one on task...:hi:

[Don Claybrook]

2. Praytell,

Just who in the hell here voted for a 3'rd party candidate in 2004? Not 2000, but 2004.

What's the point of your post anyway?

[WI_DEM]

3. Third party candidates (mainly Nader) didn't get as many votes

in 2004 as they did in 2000, so I'm guessing most people here did vote for Kerry. But your point is well taken.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. May I add that unless you voted for Kerry AND Gore...

Because honestly, running as an incumbent has a built in advantage that would not have worked against Kerry if it weren't for a few thousand Naderites in Florida in 2000...

[ananda]

6. For me, it was the lesser of two evils when I voted for..

. Kerry.

I would have preferred Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich.

Sue

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Lesser of two evils?

Are fucking kidding me? There is no rational comparison between Bush and Kerry.

[beyurslf]

17. How about someone evil and someone you dont like so much?

What's so "evil" about Kerry?

[sandnsea]

28. 2 evil SCOTUS nominees

Yeah, Kerry would have really nominated people like Roberts and Alito. It's astounding to me that people STILL don't get it. The differences between Kerry & Bush could fill the Grand Canyon.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

35. It's fucking amazing, isn't it?

How in the fucking world can you even begin to describe Kerry as the "lesser of two evils"? THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!

[politicasista]

32. Too bad people bought into the "lesser of two evils" line

I know a lot of people outside of the internet did. Wow, the power of the corporate media.


What was so evil about Kerry anyway? Well he couldn't have been any worse than *. :sarcasm:

[BlueIris]

55. Just let them spew, politicasista. Helps me shape my Ignore list.

I know, I know, they're ignorant. They know nothing about Kerry, his record, other candidates that irrationally think could have done a better job or the real world. They know even less about how even those allegedly better failed candidates would have bungled their ineffectual attempts to accomplish progressive agendas. But for now, just let 'em rail. Sticking them on Ignore (best feature ever!) helps me improve my mental health and enjoyment of this otherwise fine site.

[jsamuel]

5. What if I didn't vote and lived in Florida in 2000? Do I get kicked out

of DU too?

oh... ok...

[FreedomAngel82]

7. I wasn't old enough to vote in 2000

:cry:

[0007]

14. I was too old but I knew what I was doing. n/t

[mzmolly]

9. RECOMMENDED!

Here here! :toast:

[ultraist]

11. Oh, Christ. Even Bush voters have a right to change their mind

and oppose the chimp. Are we going to tell Bush voters that they don't have a right to turn their back on their pResident because they made the mistake of voting for him?

Everyone has a right to their opinion. I'd not only encourage Bush voters to turn their back on their pResident, I'd welcome their opinion!

We should be encouraging people to turn against Bush, not condemning them for it.

[ohio_liberal]

13. You're right on

There are plenty of people who have changed their minds. I can't and won't condemn anyone who was misinformed or apolitical at the time.

[MemphisTiger]

12. My friend, people can vote or not vote for whoever they

want in this country. We also reserve the right to complain about who is in office because we CAN as Americans. You would fit right in with the republicans with your mindset.

[demnan]

15. I find your comment inflamatory and offensive

most people on this board not only voted for Kerry but many of us worked for him too, and many gave as much money as we could to help the Democrats. Some even sacrificed their health and their possessions to the investigation of voting issues.

[Flying Dream Blues]

16. Surely that doesn't apply to many on this board? nt

[Ian David]

18. Damn. I voted for Ficus! n/t

[foreigncorrespondent]

60. ROFLMAO (n/t)

[welshTerrier2]

19. if you want anyone to STFU, you STFU

i voted for Kerry ... and i strongly disagree with your view that anyone should be prohibited from expressing their views ...

shame on all those in this thread who agreed with you ...

one or two of you should know better than that ...

[Walt Starr]

20. I've voted straight Democratic tickets as long as I've been able to vote

and I'll scream it to the hills, filibuster Alito or I'm through!

[RadiDem]

24. Me too - Starting with McGovern

jeez I'm old ;-)

[BIG Sean]

21. Sorry folks...it was just a rant...not really meant for people here...

eom

[MadHound]

22. Umm, excuse me friend, but last I checked this is still the United States

And(at least for right now) we still have the right to not only vote for whom we choose, but to also speak our mind freely. It is guaranteed by the Constitution.

And by the by, demands for lockstep thought on the left can lead to facism just as certainly as such demands coming from the right.

Frankly, I find your post offensive and naive, not to mention going against the very spirit of this country. Frankly, I think that you should be ashamed, but notice, this is only my thought. Unlike you, I'm making no broad brush demands.

Oh, and another good thing about freedom of speech, I can go tell you to get bent if I'm so inclined. Got it?

[BIG Sean]

23. Sure..I got it...

[sandnsea]

26. Choices have consequences

One can't pretend not to know what the consequences would be like they could in 2000. Keep attacking Democrats instead of Republicans, the consequences are a public who don't know what the Republicans are doing but do think the Democrats are fair game. Use your free speech wisely, or you won't have it to use at all.

[liberalnurse]

31. May I second that remark?

Sure I can! YES!!!!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. I did vote for Kerry, and we was robbed anyway.

[rhett o rick]

29. The leaders of the Demo Party are counting on your attitude to allow them

to put in their candidate. Big money controls the Demo party just like the Repub party. The lesser of evils will not get us out of this hole we are in. Hillary won't undo what's been done for the last 5 years. We need to teach the Demo Party that they are beholding to us, not the other way round. We need a drastic change if we ever have a hope of recovering. Not status quo.

[JJackFlash]

49. I too, am SICK of this "lesser of evils" idiocy

The Democratic Party is not "beholding to us" - they represent us in opposition to the repugs. YOU need to assist the Democratic Party in their efforts, and work to change the party if you disagree with its direction in some areas.
If you're not a Democrat, why are you even on this board?

[rhett o rick]

64. I am a democrat. But disappointed in the leadership's lack of outrage.

I think big money has a lot of control of the party. I am doing what i can.

[DanCa]

33. I agree.

[Texasgal]

34. Uhhhh...

Do you know where you are? This is "DEMOCRATIC" Underground??

I believe that we all voted for Kerry.....

[WildEyedLiberal]

36. It SHOULD be the "Democratic" Underground

But take a look at any thread reporting news about Kerry (or any other prominent Dem for that matter). There are posters here whose rants against the Democratic party might belong on FR. I have even seen people proudly proclaim that they voted for Nader/not at all in 2004. Yes, on this website. No, they shouldn't be here.

[Griffy]

37. KERRY WON the election silly.. dont tell me you buy the lie?

we had more votes.. and they stole it.. you can either believe me now.. or understand it later... but like the lies to war, and the 911 cover story the illegal vote rigging will be exposed. I dont pretend to have all the answers, but once we get investigations (like what we see with Fitz) we will get to the bottom of most of this!

No rational, HONEST person can stand against a paper trail... something to recount, and the open right to count them.. in public!

[Montauk6]

38. I voted for Kerry but, without a paper trail and voting accountability

it's all in a flux.

[MisterP]

39. you DO realize 3rd parties didn't cost any states...

but I won't reality intrude on your world

[mvd]

40. Voted for Kerry

In fact, despite his run to the middle, he would have been the most liberal President we've had in a long time. Bush is ignoring the large numbers of Kerry voters by nominating an extremist. I know we won't get who we want nominated, but the Alito pick is really arrogant as usual.

[Tom Joad]

41. Makes sense, limit the people eligible to oppose Alito

The best thing you can do for a movement is to limit who can participate. So if you want to prevent Alito's appointment, make those who voted for Nader or another Left candidate angry, even if they would otherwise like to join you on this issue, by all means work to exclude them.

We do not want non-voters speaking out about this either. We are much better than those people.

Don't forget, there may be even people who voted for Bush that might join in opposing this extremist. Do work to make sure they are excluded as well, you don't want their help.

Makes sense to me. :sarcasm:

[Nordmadr]

42. I'm a green party member, voted for Kerry because I came to like him

quite a bit after losing out on my first choice (Dean). Never really considered Nader because I thought he would be immensely weak on foreign policy. I was aware of the potential of helping Bush by voting third party, but it didn't really come into play because I didn't find a third party candidate that motivated me. I quite likely would have voted for any of the Dem. candidates that made it to the final showdown. Bush winning was my worst nightmare...come true.

Kerry should have won despite what I considered some tactical mistakes...the hunting photo op...


Anyway, my point being...this was my thought process and some of my considerations. It worked for me and need not work for you, or anyone else on this board. As a citizen it is my RIGHT to choose by my own FREE WILL.

Your process can differ, as can others, by many numbers of ways. We should not get ,or expect lock step marching. That "stick together at all costs" is exactly the attitude that has the Republican party where it is...and to a lesser extent the Dems. Loyalty can be good, but how much do you compromise? The death of a thousand cuts...

The dissent allows for an intelligent discussion when done right, and we can all learn in that process. Keep in mind this is how we keep ourselves from only getting things from people that agree. We will not always agree on everything. The discussion is how many of us continue to form, refine, and grow our beliefs.

I get angry like everyone else, and vent in frustration...saying things not thought through. My hunch is this is the same.


Olaf

[cynatnite]

43. People can bitch about who they want no matter who they voted for...

My in-laws voted for bush last time and it was Katrina that woke them up. Now, they are awake and see the insanity in the man.

The more who bitch, the better.

[JJackFlash]

44. Ralph Nader said it didn't matter if Junior got elected

because the repugs would never overturn Roe v Wade. I argued with Greenies, but they were convinced they were just too smart to vote for Gore/Lieberman or Kerry/Edwards.
I agree with you completely - people who didn't vote Democratic have no right to complain.
Beyond abortion, Scalito is going to be horrible on civil liberties and all questions of economic justice.
I can see people reminiscing twenty years from now - "remember before Bush, when America was a free country with a high standard of living?" Hell, 5 years from now.

[Ms. Clio]

45. funny what is considered flame bait around here

and what stupid shit isn't.

[JJackFlash]

50. what does that mean??

[wookie294]

46. Ninety-eight senators, including all Democrats, voted to confirm Scalia

in 1986.

:nopity:

[JJackFlash]

48. So?

If a Democratic president had been in office there never would have been a Scalia nomination. What is your point?

[wookie294]

51. Good point

But a Democratic president with a Republican Congress could have resulted in a Scalia nomination in 1986. My proof in this is that the Dems approved Scalia overwhelmingly in 1986.

[JJackFlash]

52. What??

"A Democratic president with a Republican Congress could have resulted in a Scalia nomination in 1986."
What drugs are you taking? Are you saying President Dukakis would have nominated Antonin Scalia? Or are you saying Congress makes SC nominations?
yurkkhh

[wookie294]

53. I'm saying a Dem president would want to cooperate with GOP Congress

I think Democratic presidents are much more accomodating to Republican Congresses than Republican presidents have been to Democratic Congresses.

Bill Clinton could have nominated a Justice that was as far "left wing" as Scalia and Thomas are "right wing." But he didn't. Clinton nominated centrists only. Pity!

[JJackFlash]

56. Thank you for that brilliant analysis

and you've made 1000+ posts?
yurkkhh

[wookie294]

57. Rebut my analysis

I'm waiting.

[Fozzledick]

47. I voted against him before I voted for him

But then he conceded after he won!:shrug:

[Alcibiades]

54. Right on, BIG Sean

Yes, this is America, yes, we have freedom of speech, blah blah blah.

This is a first-past-the-post system. If you want to vote for a third party candidate, start trying to change the electoral rules. As it stands now, our electoral rules make third parties less useful than Ann Coulter's adam's apple.

Yes, the party is a big tent, but if there's one thing party activists should agree on, it's that we all vote for the party's nominee. Period. I don't care if you have to swallow your pride, or whatever it is you have to swallow, get over it and vote for the Democrat. Do whatever you want to further down the ticket, but for president, you vote for the Democratic nominee.

Either that, or your problem is with the electoral rules, in which case you should try to get those changed before throwing your vote to the Republicans.

[robbedvoter]

58. Most here voted for Kerry (more against W actually) so, WTF is your

point? (kerry won, and gave it away, BTW)

[IndianaGreen]

61. The DLC wants us to support the prowar Hillary!

They are making their poisonous Kool-Aid as we speak.

[IndianaGreen]

59. A lot of people voted for Kerry despite our misgivings about him

How about giving some credit to the grand ABB coalition of 2004 for a change?

There won't be an ABB coalition in 2008, so you might as well forget it!

There is no way that decent ethical Americans will ever vote for a prowar candidate in 2008. Too many have died, too much blood has been shed, for us to go along with the choice of the DLC.

No Hillary for us!

[usregimechange]

62. I agree of course

[LifeDuringWartime]

63. how about if a person wasn't old enough to vote at the time...

but still encouraged all of their friends who WERE old enough to vote, and vote for kerry. not that it did any good, since most of them spaced on it. :banghead: