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jocapo Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:22 PM
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The Democrats pay way too much attention to SCOTUS picks.
I think the Democrats make a big mistake spending so much time talking about the Supreme Court nominees. I think we shouldn't be wasting our precious prime media time talking about something so far removed from peoples everyday lives. If we spent as much time discussing our platform and candidates we would do more to advance our agenda. We should focus on changing the things that we can control such as candidates and bills. These things can be specific solutions to specific problems and directly affect peoples lives.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:24 PM
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1. Hope you brought your asbestos underwear...
:popcorn:
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:24 PM
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2. It will be in everyone's faces when Roe v. Wade is overturned.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:41 PM
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28. If it is overturned things will get ugly quick.
Look for rioting in the streets.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:24 PM
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3. I disagree vehemently. nt
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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4. i'll assume you are a white male when I
do this :eyes:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:26 PM
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9. working alone in a desert island...
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:27 PM
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11. Who doesn't give a damn about civil rights or civil liberties
What about Miranda?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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5. You obviously don't understand how the govt works
so you should just be quiet and go away. If you are so naive to not realize how much a SC pick can affect policy for years to come you're just not paying attention.


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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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6. Excuse me
I got pregnant when I was 18 in 1967. I had to go to Tokyo for an abortion. If you don't think the Supreme Court affects people's lives, you need a serious lesson in history.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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Well, I have to disagree with you about one thing
and that is "affecting people's lives." Because if abortion becomes illegal that is going to affect a WHOLE lot of lives.

Now, the thing I do think about is whether or not a fight is wheel spinning because of the numbers game. But I guess that remains to be seen.

Two major conservatives on the Court..both YOUNG men. Well, we'll be hearing from them for a long, long time.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:29 PM
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17. If we never fight we stand for nothing. eom.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:33 PM
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23. Yes, sometimes a fight is simply symbolic
and perhaps this is the case here. But someone told me in another post that the nuclear option was a vote short, so MAYBE NOT??
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:30 PM
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42. The nukular option is in effect NOW
if we won't filibuster out of fear of the nukular option.

I'll say it again, and again, and again: the way out of the wilderness for the Democratic Party is to stand and fight for core Democratic issues. Otherwise we are just Republican lite with brie and volvos, pass the chardonay. Even if we fight and lose, we will start to regain the respect of working families and they will start to return to their base.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:17 PM
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48. Excellent point
They don't have to "use" it to use it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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7. Well it is not that much remote
It has to do with many of these issues people care about in issues relative to labor rights, privacy rights, environmental rights (and therefore health, ...).

We need to make clear what the relation is to real people's life, but clearly the link is there (See the Eminent Domain case, for example).
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:25 PM
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8. When it takes the SCOTUS to say that I can have sex with my boyfriend in
the privacy of my own locked home, I have trouble understanding how their decisions don't affect my life.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:26 PM
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10. And I suppose you don't think
And I suppose you don't think that Brown v. School Board had any affect on people's lives.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:27 PM
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12. There is truth in what you say.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 03:35 PM by bluedawg12
"We should focus on changing the things that we can control such as candidates and bills."

Right now we are in a reactive mode, and that botehrs me.

But, we should be able to focus on several things at once.

However, the SCOTUS issue is a problem if our fillibuster can be over ridden and they win any way.

I 've said this here and have been interested in getting this topic alive.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5221438

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:39 PM
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27. There are many, many things that we have to pay attention to
and among the things we need to do is to get our message honed.

At the same time, shrub has the bully pulpit, and he keeps diverting our nations attention, while the war goes on I note,so we have so many fires to put out.

But it is not that they are not important, it is a matter of simply placing priorties- which ain't a bad thing, gang.

And sticking together, it's okay to get a little Jerry Springerish here, but we are still on the same side.

peace out-

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/index.htm
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:47 PM
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33. Save our fighting energy for the repugs and conservapigs
our problem, if there is one, LOL, is not that we don't care or are not informed, it is simply that this administration is throwing so much radicalrightwing shit at our nation that it is hard to get a handle on which fire to put out next.

But we are ALL, correct.

We need to focus on SCOTUS, and Libby, and KKKarl, and our message, and the war...and so on it goes... I saw we hang together and don't let the avalanche of intentional bad news from shrubco cause us to fight. That's what they want, they thrive on chaos and division.

We can stay united, we must.

peace


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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:27 PM
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13. Ever heard of Bush v. Gore? eom
eom
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:28 PM
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14. Fuck that noise!
The SCOTUS is for life, not like some namby pamby congresscritter or even a president.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:28 PM
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15. Yeah we should just ignore this fascist theocrat wingnut.
It is not like suburban soccer moms are a huge critical swing vote or anything or that this issue can put them solidly back on the D side where they belong or that a Democratic Party that won't fight for core principles is not worth bothering to vote for. Yes I see your point.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:29 PM
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16. Disagree
I was wondering where you hid the: :sarcasm:

I guess you're serious......

When reproductive rights are no longer guaranteed constitutionally, the battle will be legislative. Each state will have to fight it out, and when all 50 states have NOT knuckled under to the puritans, you will see a legislative ban on reproductive rights pushed at the national level. THAT's what is at issue here....
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:30 PM
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18. You are obviously a product of the amerikan educational system
IOW too ignorant to live.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:38 PM
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26. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I gotta get one of those smilies!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:42 PM
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30. Here ya go...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:31 PM
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44. Thank you!
Now I'm going to wear it out...
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Michigander4Dean Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:31 PM
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19. And Bush is a Democrat. I don't think so.
Don't you realize what's at stake here?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:32 PM
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20. These are among the most important things Dubya will do.
SCOTUS members will be on the court long after Dubya is (hopefully) rotting in jail. The Dems should risk everything on stopping Alito.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:32 PM
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21. Hey Jacabo ... Why "POST and RUN" ??
Why not respond to the comments to your allegations?

Why post and flee?

What's up with that? ..... (( ))
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:54 PM
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35. Bingo
And I fell for it.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:32 PM
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22. WOW
You been here since 2001 and only have 174 posts? Holey Mackerel!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:43 PM
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31. I have a hunch...
...that they slip in with off-the-wall comments like that, then run like hell like a big woosie. :rofl:
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:06 PM
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47. Need a low profile to keep from being TS'ed!
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:34 PM
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24. If you get the chance, watch some C-Span and C-Span 2.
You will see Democrats on the floor of the House and Senate talking about positions and bills.

What you're seeing and reading today is Democrats being asked to react to a Supreme Court nominee. And they get - what? 30 seconds? to respond.

Gotta be able to look at the big picture here. Not saying that Dems couldn't do a better job than they do of getting things across to the people, because they surely could. But corporate media soundbites are orchestrated by the questioner, not the questionee, I think.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:37 PM
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25. I think you mean how far it's removed from YOUR life, don't you?
Those of us with wombs have a little problem with that kind of reasoning.

I dare you to say something that stupid and insensitive to one of us in person.

Or even better, a bunch of us. :evilgrin:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:42 PM
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29. It isn't just us wombed people
Equal protection under the law is pretty important, too.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:30 PM
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43. True, but some of the wombless are more likely to be clueless as well.
If it affected THEIR body, they might not shrug it off so easily.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:45 PM
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32. You have got to be kidding.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 03:47 PM by bowens43
There is NOTHING more important then the Supreme Court. There is NOTHING that affects our day to day lives more then the Supreme court.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:50 PM
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34. yeah. why waste time protecting our basic right to privacy
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 03:54 PM by Strawman
or for control over our own bodies. It's not really important to me that the likes of James Dobson might be able to penalize adults for their consensual sexual activity or decide when the plug can or can't be pulled for myself or members of my family, or when it's ok and when it's not ok for a woman to terminate a pregnancy. That doesn't concern me. Let's focus on "candidates and bills" instead.

And there's so much prime time media coverage that is generated by the introduction of bills. It's so clear to me now. If we would just introduce more bills maybe, we could turn everything around. What was I thinking? Let's get you fitted for a robe Justice Alito and get this show on the road. I've gotta get back to my desk and start drafting some of those headline grabbing bills.
:sarcasm:

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:56 PM
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36. Let's see... a member for 5 years, 174 total posts... hmmm...
Who here is good at math?

How many "post and flee" comments does jacapo average in a year anyway?

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 03:59 PM
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37. Less than 3 a month, I think. Shy?
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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:05 PM
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38. "something so far removed from peoples everyday lives"
Sadly, the OP summarizes what too many Americans feel. Completely disconnected from anything "political."

It's not productive to browbeat citizens for being victimized by the Corporate Media the giant Consume This, Incs. The challenge is in reconnecting people into citizen participation. (And no, I don't know how to do it.)

Is there a vulnerable Senate seat in your state?

http://www.removerepublicans.com
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:09 PM
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39. How Can I Put This Gently?
Fuck that shit.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:09 PM
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40. Not Affect People's :Lives?
What planet have you been living on?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:24 PM
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41. And you think SCOTUS doesn't affect people lives?
SCOTUS has more effect on our lives in the long run than anyother branch of Government.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 04:34 PM
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45. Platform and agenda = supreme court debate.
You seem to get only part of the picture. They're not separate.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 05:03 PM
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46.  Supreme Court rulings also directly affect people's lives.
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 05:04 PM by second edition
They vote on more than just where to put a religious statues.This pick will affect furture ruling for at least two decades.
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