Predictions: Over or under 40 votes for Murtha. . .

[StopThief]

I'm thinking under. How about you?

[Mass]

1. What will be in the bill the GOP will present?

Does anybody knows if the Repubs did not insert some traps? Seems the Dems had not seen it until recently.

[ps1074]

12. Here is the text

H.Res. __

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

[Warren Stupidity]

16. I'd vote for it.

On the other hand this is not the proposal that Murtha made and the Democrats should walk out and not vote.

[FranzFerdinand]

2. 14

nt

[Nordmadr]

3. Unfortunately I think it will be in the 20's. N/T

[pocket]

4. way under, the DLC will see to that

.

[Singular73]

5. Wonderful. So the Republicans are going to make the dems vote for War

Again.

And they will do it.

Because they have no spine.

[Nordmadr]

6. Wait, is this a House or Senate vote?

[Mass]

8. House

Debate on CSPAN right now

[Nordmadr]

9. Ok, then I think it may be over 40, and withdraw my previous

guess.

Olaf

[Mass]

10. Jim McGovern on the floor right now

[Mass]

7. Dems are trying to kill the vote.

Say it is about politics.

[hippiechick]

11. Gee, Dems ... ya THINK ?

:eyes:

[Mass]

22. Mc Govern first - and he is the one who proposed a bill for immediate

withdrawal first.

This is a political stunt.

[Joanne98]

19. This is the absolute worse thing they could do!

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Damn them all if they vote no.

Murtha has put his ass on the line like the old soldier that he is. At least for once our joke of a party can take some risk and join ranks.

However, it is a start, and it has gotten the idea out of the memory hole and out in front of every american. Missing white woman in aruba, and crusty old ex marine democrat says get the fuck out. How's that for the cognitive dissonance?

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Having read the text (posted above)

I've reconsidered. The Democrats should walk out. The resolution is bullshit.

[Joanne98]

25. What is bullshit about it?

[Warren Stupidity]

26. It is not Murtha's proposal.

It calls for terminating the invasion and occupation of Iraq immediately.

Don't get me wrong: I would vote for it. However it is impractical and would put our troops in danger. Murtha called for a six month timeframe for complete withdrawal - quite a different proposal.

I would vote for it as I find it the only ethical thing to do, even if it caused additional danger to our soldiers.

[Joanne98]

21. I agree! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

[DeaconBlues]

14. best thing for the Democrats to do is ignore the vote completely

Let the Republicans vote alone and recommit to the war. Then they will truly be the owners of it, and pay dearly for it next November.

I dearly wish that this resolution would pass - but it won't. The best thing to do is use it in a politically smart way.

[Jim__]

15. Over.

I think the House will go way over 40.

[Teaser]

18. They should abstain

from the Repug version. Murtha's version says what needs to be said.

[Teaser]

20. Dem's will simply vote: "present"

on this resolution, says CNN.

Good for them.

[AuntPatsy]

23. EXACTLY!

[Mass]

24. Great. That is what should be done.

[Exiled in America]

27. Why?

I don't understand the need for all the gamesmanship.

[Mass]

28. We are not the one doing the gamesmanship

the GOP is the one who is proposing his proposition (Duncan Hunter) and forced a rushed vote, without any possibility of amendment.

Murtha had proposed his bill for discussion on an Iraq withdrawal, and actually had not offered it in the House yet. The GOP has written a bill to force the vote, against Murtha's wishes.

[Exiled in America]

32. Thank you.

I freely admit sometimes all the craziness is hard for me to follow.

Plus, while I try to have C-span on in the background at work (I do now) I can't always follow everything.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. This is complicated stuff huh?

So I am against the war, I wake up every morning horrified by what we have done and are continuing to do in Iraq. I want us out of there tomorrow and I want The Cabal on trial for crimes against humanity and I want us to pay reparations to the Iraqi people for what we have done. I personally and without hesitation would vote yes on this resolution. I would do so knowing that implementation of the resolution would very likely result in the death of many of our soldiers in the chaos of an immediate departure. I am so horrified by the crimes we are committing that I wouold accept that price if it meant that tomorrow we would stop continuing to commit these crimes.

However, this is quite simply a ploy by the assholes to try and paint the growing opposition to the war as irresponsible surrender to terrorists cut'n'run leftwing loons. They are tring desperately to negate the considerable damage done by Murtha's actual proposal, which does not resemble this proposal at all. The Democratic Party has to understand what is being attempted here. They do, it seems, and they will not vote yes or no on this bullshit rovian ploy.

[Exiled in America]

33. Thanks - I was behind in the turn of events invovled in this.

[rfkrfk]

29. the wishes of my constituents don't matter, so I won't vote n/t

[Teaser]

30. read the resolution, then form an opinion.

If you do it in that order, you'll see why I posted what I did.

[ieoeja]

34. ZERO. There will be no vote on Murtha.

House Republicans will never let the Murtha bill come up for a vote or even for debate. So there will be ZERO votes for Murtha.

On the other hand, the Hunter bill on which they ARE voting, will likely get a few votes. But not many.

[0007]

35. I would hope they don't vote!