MSNBC Presidential Debate Thread #2 - SC Debates

[Hawkeye-X]

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[eileen_d]

1. Have they asked Dean about his "skipping 7 states" strategy?

All right, I'm logging off... too crabby

[Cheswick2.0]

Have they asked Kerry about his botox treatments?

And his dissing the south?

[WilliamPitt]

2. I think Brokaw is gonna have trouble walking

after the Iraq correction Dennis just jacked up his butt.

Way to go, DK.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. yes, that was cool

I'm sorry if I ever said a bad word about Kucinich here. He's very very very cool.

[goodhue]

11. of course he's very cool

and he has many cool supporters
too bad the media has maginalized him

[MuseRider]

20. Cool comes in all

different knds of packages. Glad you see it. He is the man. Way to go DK, great answer.

[goodhue]

6. yes DK didn't let Tom get away with US out, UN in

As well all know its quite the opposite.
Tom insisted he was just summarizing but he got it backward.

[Toucano]

31. I was saying the same thing to Brokaw

when Dennis interrupted him.

Can't the media keep track of the candidates' positions?

[adamrsilva]

3. Go Kucinich! Go Clark! Go Sharpton!

Rock it! Lieb is a jerk!

[Guaranteed]

5. Clark and Dean showing true leadership.

Edwards and Kerry wussing out.

[slinkerwink]

12. Kerry, if you criticize the war now, then why did you VOTE for it?

[killbotfactory]

29. Last time in SC, Kerry said this:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
Senator Kerry, the first question goes to you. On March 19th, President Bush ordered General Tommy Franks to execute the invasion of Iraq. Was that the right decision at the right time?

SENATOR JOHN KERRY
George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.

Slight change in tune, don't you think?

[liberalnurse]

63. Big swing isn't it.....

Great comparison. Effective .....

[laruemtt]

13. yes. edwards and kerry

are disappointing. kind of anemic. clark sounds strong!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

24. Clark is STRONG!!!!!!!!!1 That's why he is my NUMBER 1 choice....

to take America back!

:kick:
:kick:
:kick:

[madmax]

33. Clark is looking so goooood.

:loveya:

Go General!

[cedahlia]

40. Clark's last answer was great!

He really spelled it out about * invading Iraq for political gain. Go Wes!!! :yourock:

[killbotfactory]

7. Sharpton lays the smack down on the Joe-mentum

and his magical rotating justifications for war.

[Lex]

18. Booytiful!

It was awesome.

I *heart* Al Sharpton.

[economic justice]

22. Hey

Liberman has every right to his position. At least he wasn't running around the globe cavorting with Nigerian dictators like the woman in your avatar! (CMB) I'm getting sick of all the Joe-bashing here. Bash Lieberman while Dennis 1% Kucinich and Al Sharpton get kudos. Weird.

[Qutzupalotl]

68. We have as much right to bash Joe

as he does to bash Democrats.

[spooky3]

32. "The Am. public would not have supported the war if it were only

to get SH out of there, even though we all knew he was a bad man. We were lied to (paraphrasing)."

[ACPS65]

8. Do you think they talk to each other

during the commercials?

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. They do talk to each other.

There's some cool photos of Dean and Clark talking to each other during the last debate. They're floating around DU somewhere. :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. So far....not bad!

Brokaw actually seems semi human tonight. Hmmmm what's up?

[Jack_Dawson]

21. Don't get lulled into complacency

PNAC gave him all kinds of questions to ask about Clark. He'll review them at the commercial.

[Myra]

30. Agreed in_cog_ni_to! This might be a legit debate! The first from a

major anchor.

If it stays like this we ALL gotta write and compliment Tom!!!

[Jack_Dawson]

37. A LONG way to go people...

Why is Clark taking questions after Lieberman and Kucinich?

[eyesroll]

10. The Nation of Islam?

:wtf:

[Cheswick2.0]

23. did someone mention The Nation of Islam?

I must have missed that. Who said what?

[eyesroll]

85. Brokaw. A slip.

I think he meant to say "Islamic nations."

[Papa]

14. Go AL GO!

Sharpton hit it right on the head. our guys need to keep on pounding Bush about the lies for the war. Im loving this, but Brokaw is such a media whore it's not funny. He needs to go.

[Cheswick2.0]

34. I agree

He is keeping the heat on

[milkyway]

15. Clark just hit the biggest home run of the debate season! Ripped Congress

for giving him a blank check to go to war. Clark was told two weeks after 9/11 by the Pentagon that they would use it as a pretext to invade Iraq. It was common knowledge throughout Washington, and the Congress knew it. Heads up, Kerry!

[Jack_Dawson]

42. Wow thanks Milkyway

[Myra]

16. Thanks HawkeyeX: Clark strong. Gave his Iraq plan.

Then went back to criticism of
attacking Iraq based on *politics*, playing politics with
national security, hold him accountable!

Very strong! (Ok, bias creeping in. Can't help it! I'm trying...)

Sharpton: "we were told we were imminent danger from WMD" and
now changing story. Bush lied. (Go Al!) He went to a funeral
for soldier who died in Iraq and he died because he was told
there were WMDs, not that there was a bad buy in Iraq.
But he's dead...

Excellent statements from Kucinich, Clark, Sharpton!!!!!!!!!!!

[jogi1969]

79. go get 'em General

dont let that prick talk you into a corner!!

[spooky3]

19. Clark making strong allegation that "everyone in Wash. knew"

2 weeks after 9-11 that * intended to go into Iraq, regardless of connection to 9-11, regardless of WMD, and that was wrong. Hammers Bush but indirectly others on stage.

[Toucano]

44. I knew, too!

I couldn't understand why so many others didn't get it!

Fear is a great tool. Ask the Nazi's.

[TexasPatriot]

25. Sharpton accused Bush of being a Liar

'that's not how you run a country'

i wish the new national leftist radio network would give Sharpton a 'paul harvey minute' every day... let him get a good rip in every day - he's always got a great zinger to toss out there.

And he really contrasted against Edwards. Edwards defense of supporting the IWR was very weak - and wont help him.

[Nite Owl]

26. Sharpton was great on his Iraq

answer, we were lied to and mothers have lost their children because Bush*lied. That's the heart of the matter.

[spooky3]

I agree

[arcane1]

27. dammit, if only this were an hour later!!!!

will they be re-playing this sometime, somewhere...?

:shrug:

[laruemtt]

43. yes. 12 a.m.

[arcane1]

148. thanks! Is that EST?

:toast:

[milkyway]

28. Not only were Clark's words great, so was his delivery. His most polished.

[Myra]

41. Thank you milkyway. He did well on that question.

Everyone's doing well! Even...Tom.

[xultar]

35. Clark did well with his Iraq message, he's doing great!

Al is getting the lion share of the response because he's got the preacher thing going on.

I can't blame Al for usin his gift.

Clark took a quiet middle finger and stuck it in Edwards, Kerry, and Liebermans face when he mentioned that there should have never been a congressional blank check for chimpy face to go to war. He said it was common knowledge in DC that we were going to war with Iraq whether or not they had anything to do with 9/11.

So the question is if it was common knowledge and Clark knew as an outsider in the pentagon how come Kerry, Edwards, and Lieberman didn't know

[xultar]

45. Trippi on Debra Norville's show tonight talking about the Dean

campaign.
Trippi will never be hired to work in a campaign again if he is going to do what I think he's about to do.

[slinkerwink]

80. omg.

[RafterMan]

36. NPR

panel just ripped Brokaw for process questions.

Said Clark and Sharpton had good Iraq answers. Suggest Dean is implying others "stole my message"

[displacedtexan]

38. Bad timing on the Trippi on Norville show commercial

n/t

[WilliamPitt]

39. Trippi on "What went wrong with the Dean Machine" on MSNBC tonight

Just fyi to the Dean folk. Trippi's gonna talk.

[Renew Deal]

46. That can't be good.

I am not sure if he can say anything good.

[WilliamPitt]

52. He said he'll keep fighting for Dean when he left

I guess we'll see.

[Ivote]

53. No we didnt

cut brokows question right off go clark

[Myra]

47. More from Kerry on misleading on Iraq. Requires an intelligence and

military effort for war on terror. Impacts middle east in ever way
and invites further clashes in mid east.

[slinkerwink]

48. omg, I'm zoning out from kerry's speech.

[THUNDER HANDS]

Kerry sounds sooooo good

He's going to be hard to beat. He's definately not doing himself any damage tonight.

[onecitizen]

49. OK. Who told Kerry to smile?

:D

[liberalnurse]

50. I can't stop starring at Kerry.

Go ahead and process your feelings but the botox treatment was definitely extensive. I'm looking at his paralyzed forehead. He can't scrunch....Then, I look at all the others, and compare, checking if I'm hallucinating or not.....


Nope, he can't scrunch the forehead. Lieberman does a good scrunchie.

Oh, I best go listen to the facts. I hate distrations like that.

[THUNDER HANDS]

61. he looks better, I don't care if he uses it or not

It works for him

[xultar]

105. Kerry looks Great, much better. I'm gonna buy some Botox

and keep it on stand buy. That shit works

[goodhue]

64. yes I noticed that too

but he is looking very presidential

[Old and In the Way]

136. Good One Liberal Historian!

I don't have the station to watch, is Kerry wearing his Skull and Bones pin?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

51. Just fucking say it!

To Kerry every time he opens his mouth
and cant close it.

[tishaLA]

54. Now CLARK corrects Brokaw!

No, I didn't blame Bush. We KNOW who did the attacks.

Brokaw asks about Clinton

[Jack_Dawson]

55. Cut him off, General!

Fucking Slackjaw.

[economic justice]

60. Why don't you cool your profanity?

[Kathleen04]

56. Clark aint letting Brokaw

get away with his BS.

Great job intercepting that one, Clark. :)

[Renew Deal]

66. I hope he keeps slapping people.

[Kathleen04]

75. Smackdown!

;)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

57. Whoo hooo! Clark is on fire. Interrupted Brokaw and set him straight.

n/t

[xultar]

58. Clinton Administration, what are they talking about Clinton for?

Brokaw = fucker

[xultar]

Turn it back to BUSH! GREAT Clark...Turn it back to BUSH!

Yeah hoo, Get out of the ABM treaty

Clark is on his GAME 2 night people!

YEAH HOO!!

President GWB must be held accountable, for focusing attention, setting priorities!!!


Clark got applause!

Fuck Brokaw

[nomaco-10]

59. Brokaw being almost hostile to Clark

[MissB]

65. Almost?

I'm a Dean supporter. I saw hostility towards Clark.

[liberalnurse]

117. That was a throw-down for sure....

[Jack_Dawson]

67. F* Tom Slackjaw

[TexasPatriot]

62. LOL

that was BADASS... Clark smacked him even before he got the loaded question out there...

now it got reframed to something he can use to demonstrate his expertise!!!!

This is a second freaking home run... i can see it...

back back back back....

[lancdem]

Brokaw still trying to blame Clinton

:mad:

[krkaufman]

89. Clark missed another chance...

Why does no one bring up:

(1) The fact that the Clinton administration handed off the anti-terror plan to Bush, and they shelved it until Sep 4th, 2001. CLARK KNOWS THIS; WHY DOESN"T HE USE IT?!?!

(2) Office of Special Plans -- Bush created and new organization within the Pentagon to "sex up" intelligence...!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. WOOHOO! Clark corrected his ass!

I did not blame the administration for the 911 attack. Now he's going back to the Clinton administration and what they did for terrorism.

Listen to him! Damn, he's so smart! Bush did not have priorities right. He MUST be held accountable.

[xultar]

94. Brokaw was headed down the wrong street Clark called him back

and said look Son, I don't know what you are doin but you need to get back over here and salute the General.

[Stephanie]

Live stream radio link

http://www.kuow.org/

[tishaLA]

70. "The President, Not the Intelligence Community"

good for Clark.

And yet.....no applause

[Nite Owl]

71. Clark is on

message tonight. Looks good too.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. Clark just said that Bush and NOT Tenet should be held accountable!

HE has the courage to say it...

[TexasPatriot]

108. Damn Straight...

Fine, there were intelligence issues - but when people are pushing for a specific message from your people, you cant bitch people out for giving it to you.

[Cush]

73. its blame Clinton night

[slinkerwink]

74. man.....they're now blaming Clinton

:mad:

[THUNDER HANDS]

88. anyone heard from Dean lately?

Or did I miss it?

[MissB]

100. Not lately (nt)

[Democrats unite]

76. GO Wesley Clark!

PRESIDENT BUSH MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!

[Cheswick2.0]

77. Brokaw blaming Clinton

What a whore.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

92. WTF????????????????????

Brokaw :puke:

Stop blaming Clinton you SOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:wtf: is this??? Oh, that's right, Tom's workin' for a defense contractor.

:puke:

:mad:

[Lex]

93. Yep.

I figured Brokaw would get around to that sooner or later.

All things bad are Clinton's fault. Sheesh.

[Cheswick2.0]

116. e-mail address to slam Brokaw

he deserves to be smacked for debating the candidates. WTF is he doing trying to make this about Clinton?

[e-mail]

[xultar]

78. Clark supporters, I'm gettin ready to drink my Champagne...

Clark is doing well. Very well, VERY VERY VERY well.

I'm proud.

[Jack_Dawson]

102. Xultar I'll drink with you

[jogi1969]

135. wow!! Rev. AL!!

great quote!!

[dumpster_baby]

139. good to hear! This next week is Make Or Break for Clark! n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

81. Brokaw to General: "I am your bitch. I'm afraid to tell you that

you are out of time. Please don't hurt me General Smackdown."

[adamrsilva]

103. Clark is rocking!

.

[Lex]

It's Clinton's fault.

Always, always, always. It's Clinton's fault.

I get so sick of it, Tom Brokaw!!!

[Cush]

82. DK brings up PNAC

[MissB]

83. Dennis and the PNAC

I love him.

[WilliamPitt]

84. THAT'S MY FUCKING BOSS

Project for the New American Century.

Boo-yah.

[Renew Deal]

86. Why aren't you in the spin room?

Get to work.

[WilliamPitt]

95. I'm not on the bus until Wednesday

Making my impact in other ways. Stay tuned.

[displacedtexan]

101. Spread the word.

My boss did not have botox treatments.

[MuseRider]

106. I just fell out

of my chair. Damn DK, go go go. PNAC!

[dweller]

107. somebody has to say it

and you KNOW it's going to be Dennis!

GO DK !!

dp

[goodhue]

87. good answer Dennis

very pesidential

[newsguyatl]

90. hell yeh!

kucinich talking PNAC! WOOP!

[in_cog_ni_to]

91. SNOOOOORE.........Lieberman....yawn......

:bored:

[lancdem]

96. Brokaw just referred to Bush as "Pres. Clinton"

anyone else catch that!!! Hahahaha

[dawgman]

97. DK droppin the PNAC bomb

[dawgman]

112. GO REV AL chumped tom

[Myra]

98. Clark made it clear! It wasn't the ****intelligence community!*****

It wasn't the previous administration!
It was Bush, who ignored the biggest threat to the country.
Who ignored the warnings of the outgoing Clinton adm.

It's Bush's fault!

Guts and leadership!

[Myra]

104. Kucinich mentioned PNAC! And how they planned the invasions for

years! WOWWWWWWWW

[laruemtt]

99. o god joe

just shut the f*ck up! talking again about the marine's father in nh who said he trusted his son's future to him. uggggh. just shut up.

[eissa]

110. He trusts his son's future

to a warmonger?

[krkaufman]

109. CLARK LOST THIS DEBATE..!!!

Prepare yourselves for the inevitable.... regardless of how you think he does... he LOST this debate.

Seriously...

Prepare yourselves...

[Jack_Dawson]

115. Thanks Howie Fineman

[Renew Deal]

130. lol

[laruemtt]

119. why do you say

clark lost this debate?

[adamrsilva]

133. he's being sarcastic I think

Clark is rocking but FAUX will say he lost by blaming Bush for 9/11.

[in_cog_ni_to]

151. I know what you're saying.

The media will say he did a horrible job. If they DO....their sponsors will get MORE letters from me. :grr:

[stopbush]

111. Lieberman - throwing bush a bone with every single answer

Clark - on fire
DK - kicking ass

Brokaw is a pompous UNINFORMED moderator.

[xultar]

113. Al, Get some clarity. All called Tom on is ignorance.

Nation of Islam - Islamic Nations

GO AL! GO AL!

[TheWebHead]

114. Nation of Islam?

Brokaw's going batty... he said it twice even.

[tishaLA]

Good for Al, AGAIN

what the hell is Brokaw talking about "nation of islam"? the muslim world? Can't he be precise with his words or are anchor-heads exempt from that?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

118. Rev. Al has to explain "Islam" to Brokaw...

...thunderous applause as Sharpton is spanking this pri*k.

[anti-NAFTA]

Dude, I don't want that image in my head

of Sharpton spanking Brokaw's prick.

Sorry. I couldn't resist :)

[xultar]

120. AL!!! i'm thinkin he's gonna kick some bootay...Kerry next to Al

doesn't look so up on the issues and that he's talking to the people.

[xultar]

127. AL go AL! Man! some one needs to give this man a job

in their administration. He takes his message directly to the people.

[Carolina]

121. Tom Brokjaw,

fucker that he is, is trying to blame Clinton for not doing enough to stop Osama bin Laden. Why don't some of our guys say: well, perhaps if you media whores and the repuke Congress had been focusing on something other than Clinton's cock, Clinton could have done more then he did. But he was not asleep at the wheel, the media and the repugs were. And BTW, no one here (GOP/media) gave a shit about the embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya because mostly Africans died.

[TexasPatriot]

122. BAD ASS

Sharpton pretty much just called Brokaw on being anti-moslem. LOL ... Bush doesnt think he needs votes from the american people to be president.

I swear, Sharpton rocks!!!

[Myra]

123. As usual, Sharpton is making the crowd go wild. They adore him!

Applauding and cheering!

[madmax]

I love Al

[mike1963]

162. It's 1984 all over again. The 2 guys who make the most sense,

Al and Dennis have the slimmest chances. Gawd help us.

[Eccho]

124. Snap!

Go Al with the votes comment.

[madmax]

137. 2 snaps and a rewind....he's so good ;-)

[displacedtexan]

125. Al wins the sound byte again!

* doesn't think he needs votes to be president.

[sistersofmercy]

163. Yes he did, I love Al!

[RafterMan]

126. Brokaw

The guy is amazing. Whiny little defenses of every criticism of Bush.

Is Bush his mother?

[economic justice]

142. People - come on...

Anybody that knows Brokaw at all knows he is a DEMOCRAT. He told this to Rolling Stone in an interview. If he were moderating a Republican debate he would be playing devil's advocate with THEM. That's his job!

[Trajan]

161. An apologists apologist ...

[lancdem]

164. You make a very good point

[BootinUp]

128. Did Sharpy just call Bush ILLEGITIMATE?

[anti-NAFTA]

129. Brokaw is a f---ing moron. Seriously.

First he points his finger at Clark and then he says "Nation of Islam" instead of "Islam."

And he's going on and on about the Islamic "movement." Oh, I guess it isn't a religion anymore.

I hate this rude shithead.

[DemNoir]

153. You are so right

Brokaw really is just stupid and arrogant

[Rainbowreflect]

131. Way to go AL!

Do not blame the religion, blame those who use religion to do horrible thing.
And then "bush didn't need votes from the American people to become president."
I'm so glad he's in the race.

[Lex]

132. Oh no he did not!

Just say that Bush doesn't even think he needs VOTES from the American people to even be President!

Hahaha! Go, Al, go!!

[xultar]

Yeah oh no he di-ent! n/t

[Lex]

152. What you said! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

134. WOOHOO!!!!!!! Sharpton!

Kick ass! As for Bush saying he doesn't need a permission slip to protect our country....Bush doesn't think he needs VOTES from the American people to be president AWESOME!!!! :bounce:

[xultar]

138. Edwards, The president must be able to 2 things at once...

that will be a sound bite.

Good one!

[Cheswick2.0]

140. Edwards is defending the War

Ugh.... he is aligning himself with Lieberman

[Myra]

141. Edwards complaining we don't get help we need from Saudi Arabia.

Now talking about war on terror.
Disagreeing with (Kerry?).

Bashing Bush for only focusing on terra.
To much Bush isn't doing.
Bush can't walk and chew gum at the same time!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Kick ass Edwards!

[TexasPatriot]

143. Edwards on the war on tearr

trying to make the case that it cant just be about being good re the war - an attempt to stop talking about needing military/foreign policy experience.

[Kahuna]

144. Edwards just gave bush a pass on misleading the country..

about the war. I can't believe my ears.

[xultar]

150. What can he say he voted for IWR, then he'll look like a hypocrite

[Lex]

145. Walk & Chew Gum at the Same Time!

Edwards got off a good one.

That the President should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

146. Edwards: "President has to be able to walk...

...and chew gum at the same time..."

[Renew Deal]

147. Dean: The terrorists have already won.

Oh boy

[TexasPatriot]

154. honestly, thats a bold take

it's a serious slap at Edwards and Kerry - who voted for the patriot act.... saying that passing that act was, in essence, saying 'you win' to terrorists...

[adamrsilva]

155. Prediction:

FAUX News will says Clark and Dean were the losers and hint that they are unpatriotic.

[Rose Siding]

156. You no longer have the right to an attorney if

bush decides you shouldn't have one. Does that feel like a victory to you?

[nomaco-10]

158. taken out of context as usual....

Why is it everything Howard says turns into a soundbite and then ridiculed? He's the only one besides Sharpton that doesn't talk in political rhetoric and now he has to be punished for it.

[eissa]

159. Sad, but true

Once you start frisking people at airports (as I was), and shaking with fear with every little crisis (blackouts, thunderstorms, etc.) thinking they're possible terrorist attacks, then yes, they have won.

[Myra]

149. Dean saying terra-ist won since Ashcroft and Bush and members

of the federalist act, right wingers, took our civil liberties away.

This is great!

[goodhue]

157. Dean talking about the Federalist society

Its all well and good but these are not his words coming out of his mouth . . .

[Nite Owl]

160. What's with Dean

he's so subdued. His answers are good he just seems so down. I hate to see such a good guy beaten up the way he has been. It seems like it's all gotten to him.

[spooky3]

165. This is too long==how about starting new thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

[xultar]

166. Clark supporters, I just popped the Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin !!! n/t

[Jerseycoa]

167. Oooh, me, me!

:beer:

[Jack_Dawson]

169. Then me!!!

[TexasPatriot]

168. Attack on Dean over NAFTA

using Gore... Dean is turning it pretty well - but he's struggling with words in a way i havent seen him do before. His solid soundbites are good though.

[shoopnyc123]

170. They ALL sound great...

and stuff is coming out PNAC and the like...and Brokaw dosn't know the difference between the Nation and Islamic countries!

[Moderator]

171. link to thread 3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=227700