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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:32 PM
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Kerry changes his tune on the Iraq war...
At the first South Carolina debate, Kerry said this:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
Senator Kerry, the first question goes to you. On March 19th, President Bush ordered General Tommy Franks to execute the invasion of Iraq. Was that the right decision at the right time?

SENATOR JOHN KERRY
George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.


That was the end of the exchange.

Now in this debate, he's going off on how Bush rushed to war and broke all his promises, yadda yadda yadda.

Of course, back then, the war was going "well".

This is why I don't like Kerry.
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ogminlo Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:33 PM
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1. How did we disarm him?
We certainly deposed him, but if he had no WMDs before the war, and he has none now, how is that disarming?

Kerry is perpetuating the right-wing message of Iraq-as-threat here.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:34 PM
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2. We didn't disarm him...
But during this time there were hundreds of "possible" WMD finds in the media which all later proved to be false.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:35 PM
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3. He's also too comfortable with the amount of power Bush has.
He believes he'll be more benevolent. Goody.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:35 PM
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4. I guess I don't see how those statements are diametrically opposed
can you elaborate?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:37 PM
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6. He went from "I would have prefered more diplomacy, but support Bush"
To "Bush broke every promise in rushing to war and it was wrong, wrong WRONG!!!!"
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:41 PM
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7. You are misquoting Kerry
Kerry did not say he "supports Bush*". Kerry said

"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him"

Basically, he's supporting Bush* for agreeing with Kerry ("when the President made the decision" that's conditional) that Saddam needs to be disarmed.

Kerry does NOT "support Bush*". Kerry supported Bush* decision to disarm Saddam. Kerry did not support the way Bush* disarmed Saddam
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:00 PM
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15. Support Bush disarming Saddam = Supporting the Iraq war
Especially within the context of that question.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:04 PM
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16. Wrong
There are many ways to disarm a nation. Do you support feeding the hungry? Yes?

In that case, you won't mind if I feed them some freshly killed kittens, right?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:57 PM
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22. Come ON!
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 08:57 PM by nu_duer
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Kerry did not say he "supports Bush*". Kerry said

"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him"

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that is unambiguous support, how can you spin it otherwise?

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Kerry does NOT "support Bush*". Kerry supported Bush* decision to disarm Saddam. Kerry did not support the way Bush* disarmed Saddam
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"disarm Saddam" how?

HOW DO YOU DISARM AN UNARMED ENEMY?!

Kerry was w-r-o-n-g.

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TopesJunkie Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:35 PM
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5. Kerry's the epitome of the cliche politician --
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 07:35 PM by TopesJunkie
He is the epitome of the reason that so many people turn away from joining the process.
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Abigail147 Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:41 PM
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9. Yeah you got that right
she said as she uttered his first cliche of the day. I am so tired of good men like Howard Dean being brushed aside while the career politicians take charge for more of the same old, same. My heart hurts.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:42 PM
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10. Like in Iowa
where turnout doubled compared to 2000. Yep, those Dems are really getting turned away from joining the process.
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TopesJunkie Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:17 PM
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17. Tell me that in November, when it counts --
You and I both know you won't be able to, if Kerry is the nominee.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:47 PM
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20. Did someone crown you king?
I guess it's OK for you to predict the future ("He is the epitome of the reason that so many people turn away from joining the process"), but if I do it, well that's just wrong.

You and I both know you won't be able to, if Kerry is the nominee.

In Iowa, Kerry got the largest portion of the "I've never voted before" contingent
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:41 PM
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8. stealing Dean's lines
n/t
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:43 PM
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11. Again?
God, he's making me dizzy.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:48 PM
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13. No, this is a repeat
.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:50 PM
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21. You're right.
This is how it has been repetitious:

IWR: For

Post-carrier landing casualties: Against

SH capture: For

Tonights debate: Against.



You're damn right it's a repeat. I wonder what next week holds?
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Pantherman Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:47 PM
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12. I Have To Agree
Yes i have to agree with you on that one he changes his mind to much. but if you look at the polls he is ahead of dean 13% MoE +/-4.1%. so it will be an interesting race. i would like to see dean on top.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:58 PM
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14. And I get in trouble foer saying
Kerry is a flip flopper, go figure.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:36 PM
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18. Again? How many times does that make it?
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:43 PM
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19. Kerry was Opposing the War while Dean was mumbling. Before and After

Kerry supported disarming Saddam. He did not support War except as a last resort. How many times does he have to say it before his fellow democrats stop twisting his words.


Kerry opposed war, before the Vote, during the Vote, and after the vote. For many in congress the IWR vote brought Bush back from the brink of war into a U.N. process.
John’s position was no different than that of the French, German, Syrian …. Ambassadors who voted for resolution 1441, but opposed Bush’s rush to war.

John Kerry's Statement on Iraq Before the IWR vote
TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR
October 9, 2002
…..

Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

. . . . . . . . .

If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent--and I emphasize "imminent"--threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs.

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

After the IWR vote, During U.N. Inspections
Senator John Kerry
Remarks Georgetown University
Thursday 23 January 2003
"Mr. President, Do Not Rush To War"

………

And, while American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision, I say to the President, show respect for the process of international diplomacy because it is not only right, it can make America stronger - and show the world some appropriate patience in building a genuine coalition.

Mr. President, do not rush to war!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012503A.kerry.no.rush.htm


After the war started:

April 4, 2003
''What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,'' Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library.

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/04/04.html

April 7, 2003
(AP) Presidential candidate John Kerry said Monday that democracy affords rival Democrats the right to criticize President Bush even with the nation at war.

The Massachusetts senator has come under a withering attack from Republicans for suggesting that the United States, like Iraq, needs a regime change. Traveling through Iowa, Kerry rejected what he called "phony arguments" from the GOP that political candidates should mute their criticism of the commander in chief.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/04/politics/main547730.shtml

Bush sidestepped process on war in Iraq, Kerry says


By Amy Fagan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES (July, 22, 2003)


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry yesterday said President Bush "circumvented" the process laid out in the congressional resolution authorizing action against Iraq, which Mr. Kerry supported in the Senate last year.



http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030721-103628-1890r.htm



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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:58 PM
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23. So Kerry was pro-war, again?
And then he was anti-war, again.

And then he was pro-war, again.

And now he's anti-war, again?
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