Hey DUCKWORTH bashers. . .you got it wrong on her war views. . .LOL

[wndycty]

I love it, love it, love it!!!!!!

Hey I will admit those of us who support Tammy have done it without knowing much about her, however those who have attacked her have made allegations without any damn idea as to what she stood for, but since yesterday she has been doing interview most of which will appear tomorrow, Rich Miller has leaked some of his interview on his blog and guess what? She says the WAR WAS A MISTAKE!!! Many have called her the pro-war candidate. . .GUESS IT AINT TRUE. LOL!!! The bashing says very little about Tammy and more about the bashers.

FROM: Rich Miller
http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/2005/12/16/this-just-in-3/

This just in…

Friday, Dec 16, 2005

Tammy Duckworth says we should support the troops, but “Going to Iraq was a mistake.”

Interviewing her now.

UPDATE: Duckworth claims she and her husband made the decision to run back in August/September. “I know the speculation out there is that the DCCC reached out to me, and that’s not the case.”

UPDATE 2: On the speculation that she was asked to run: “Nobody’s drafted me for anything I’ve done in my life.”

UPDATE 3: “We need an aggressive plan based on benchmarks for bringing our troops home. There’s one out there now that for every Iraqi battalion that stands up we bring an American battalion home” <…>

“I think the administration has failed to come up with a plan to aggressively train the Iraqi troops.” <…>

On reading blogs, and the vitriol in comment sections directed at her: “It’s been kind of interesting to sit there and read and not be able to get back on there and say anything. It’s been very frustrating for me to sit on my hands…

“The negative attacks and stuff, that’s not me, that’s not who I am. I think it’s great people are expressing their opinions, that’s why I became a soldier… Ultimately we’ll let the voters decide…

“I would never ask anybody to drop out of the race just because I was in it, and I certainly wouldn’t want anybody to ask me that I should drop out of the race.”
-snip-

[...of J.Temperance]

1. I really like Tammy Duckworth, she's a superb candidate and well done

To Rahm Emmanuel for picking her. May she go on to win one for our team.

[Oceansaway]

2. If Durbin is backing her,

and he is........shes alright by me.........

[wndycty]

3. DURBIN: "We're going to win it because of Tammy Duckworth"

-snip-
"You can't meet this woman and not feel you're dealing with someone who's an exceptional person," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told reporters in his Capitol office on Friday.

Duckworth was recruited for the congressional race by Durbin and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Chicago, who heads the party's efforts to win more House seats.

The race is a national priority for Democrats, important enough for Durbin to drop his usual neutral stance in a contested primary race.

"We're going to win it because of Tammy Duckworth. She is that good. We are committed to winning it and it will be a dramatic victory for a district that has been historically Republican," said Durbin, who first talked to her about running for Congress six months ago.
-snip-

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/121705/NAT_B8E9T43D.060.shtml

[Oceansaway]

4. our local paper carried a photo/story of her today,

what a fighter she is.....i hope she wins !!!

[wndycty]

15. I look forward to her TV appearance tomorrow.

:kick:

[madfloridian]

5. I would imagine Cegelis feels the vitriol as well. Party picks candidate.

I would imagine. Having the party ignore that she got 44% of the vote against Hyde, having the whole raft of party leaders go for someone outside her district must hurt a lot.

I think I will continue to post about how the party is deciding candidates for us, and I think we all should. I don't know Duckworth's views.

I just don't like the interference in primaries. I keep getting reminded that everyone does it, but that does not make it right.

Another article about the issue. I hear This Week interviewed Cegelis. Wonder if she will get air time as well? I think if Ms Duckworth is going to be in politics, she ought to develop a tough hide very quick. That is the way it works...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sweet/cst-nws-sweet16.html

[wndycty]

7. She lost both legs . . .I don't think her toughness is a question. . .

Think about it.

Here are pics of her on the campaign trail. . .er uh WALKING! Like I said toughness, mental or physical will not be an issue.

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=Tammy+Duckworth&c=news_photos


Iraq war veteram Tammy Duckworth, right, leaves a shopping mall with her husband, Brian Bowlsbey, after collecting signatures for her nominating petition Friday, Dec. 16, 2005, in Chicago. Duckworth was released from active Army duty Wednesday and expected to announce a Democratic congressional bid Sunday for the seat being vacated by Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill. Duckworth, an Army major, lost her legs and injured an arm after the Black Hawk helicopter she was piloting was hit by a missile in November 2004. (AP Photo/Stacie Freudenberg)


Iraq war vet Tammy Duckworth, right, with her husband Brian Bowlsbey, is greeted by Democratic committeewoman Joan Erannen as she collects signatures for a nominating petition Friday, Dec. 16, 2005, in Chicago. Duckworth was released from active Army duty Wednesday and expected to announce a Democratic congressional bid Sunday for the seat being vacated by Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill. Duckworth, an Army major, lost her legs and injured an arm when the Blackhawk helicopter she was piloting was hit by a missile in November 2004. (AP Photo/Stacie Freudenberg)

[madfloridian]

9. Political toughness is another matter.

Let's not play the pity game. I would not want her to use her injuries that way. I highly respect her for serving our country, and I am sorry that Bush led us to war on lies.

But that is not an issue that should be used for political gain. I highly respect our military, and I am angry as hell at all the deaths and injuries.

[wndycty]

10. Political toughness? You mean like the supporters of a candidate who. . .

. . .cry and scream bloody murder because she is being challenged for a nomination. . .again I don't think toughness, mental, physical or now political is an issue for Duckworth.

[madfloridian]

11. No, because the party is again deciding the candidates.

They are doing it all over the country. I will question it over and over again. Sometimes they may be right, but sometimes they may be wrong.

The fact that the issue of picking the candidates is being turned into an attack on me for posting about it is kind of indicative. It shows that maybe people would rather we not notice.

Ultimately this is about loyalty. I think most of us know it is, just don't want to say it out loud.

Maybe it is time to say things out loud. Maybe not.

[wndycty]

12. If you really believe that then you also need to hold the CHAIRMAN . . .

. . .of the party responsible as well or does he get a pass on this. This is not a bash on Dean, but an acknowledgement that if you have a problem with the way things are going he should share in the blame. If he is powerless in dealing with this issue then why the hell is he chairman? Personally, I think he has done a good job thus far.

[madfloridian]

13. Saying some things out loud...

gets one in trouble, you know. Some things just are dying to be said out loud, but they are so obvious they should not need to be said.

Go figure out the irony of that.

[wndycty]

14. HUH? Is that some type of code?

:kick:

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. Hillary?

Anyone?

[FreedomAngel82]

31. I don't like that either

The people should decide in the primaries. Let it be fair. Other politicians can give all their support but they shouldn't make them the automatic canidate.

[madfloridian]

6. Oh, you forgot Obama...I think he backs Duckworth as well.

The decision has been made.

[wndycty]

8. He has is not making an endorsement at this time. . .

:kick:

[madfloridian]

16. Christine Cegelis has a very classy blog up at Kos and MyDD

Nice discussions.

[wndycty]

17. Well congratulations to Christine. . .

. . .I have raised concerns about her campaign, but never bashed her. Unlike some, I will support the eventual nominee whomever it will be.

[madfloridian]

18. When you use the word bash, you are not telling the truth.

That is unfair in a discussion. It is using her injuries in an unfair way.

[wndycty]

19. Well once we get to the primary. . .

. . .She will be more than her injuries. . .give it time.

[Doctor_J]

27. Christine is a great Dem and person, but

she fared poorly against a pretty limp Henry Hyde last time. That seat would be a GREAT pick-up, and the Major probably has a better chance,

[madfloridian]

29. No, that is not true.

44% of the vote is not faring poorly. But it is Illinois's race now.

If you guys don't see that this is not about those two candidates, but something much bigger....then I don't know what else to say.

[wndycty]

47. Do you realize 44% is a 12 point loss. . .

With Cegelis getting 44% that means that Hyde got 56% if you subtract 44 from 56 you get 12. 44 is impressive but its still a double digit defeat.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. People on this board are bashing a (D) who lost her legs in Iraq?????

OMG!

:puke:

[madfloridian]

22. No, no one was. That is unfair. Words matter.

But then life is unfair.

It is very easy to jump all over a person who tried to present a case for the grassroots.

I see what is happening here. I wrote a post about two blogs on the subject. And, now it is assured that it won't be discussed here much anymore. You just keep saying the word "bash". It is very simple.

That is what Bush did tonight in his speech. He showed their upcoming tactic...used the word defeatist. That will hush up more Democrats than ever.

You have won a real victory in this thread. Read the thead. By saying over and over that we are "bashing", you have effectively silenced voices. I don't care enough to take a beating on it anymore. I cared because I saw what was happening.

Illinois will decide, and actually you guys won this round by saying I bashed. It was not fair, but it worked.

[DeepModem Mom]

42. I'm sorry if I was unfair, madfloridian.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Show it

Show where people are bashing her. All I've seen said is the people should choose who the person who wins in the primaries. Not endorsements or anything like that and that's how it should be. If Mrs. Ducksworth is the best canidate than she'll win by how she presents herself. She is new to politics so if she's truly passionate about going in she'll keep going like Paul Hackett. I'm tried of people saying this person or that person should be the nominee because someone else important is backing them up. I think Mrs. Ducksworth will be a good Congresswoman if she's the nominee and will serve with dignity and honor, but the people should choose who their rep will be to go up against the other person. You should want someone because of what they'll say and eventually hopefully do. Not because they were in the army and did this or did that etc. If it doesn't work out you can vote for someone else to replace them. Our government is of the people, by the people and for the people. Not of this endorsement or that endorsement by so and so.

[DeepModem Mom]

43. I'm sorry if I was unfair, FA.

[tishaLA]

21. Crooks and Liars has a nice thing about her

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/12/18.html#a6374

It's sad indeed that some would rather insult Ms. Duckworth, mischaracterize her positions, or infer what her positions "must" be than get the facts about her. Very sad indeed. To treat a Democrat that way!

It makes my heart heavy.

[madfloridian]

23. So if someone questions her at all, they will "bash" a wounded vet?

That might be very effective. It is working on me.

Using the word bashing is lying. It was concern over the power play by Rahm.

But I have learned my lesson.

[jonnyblitz]

25. it's an effective way to shut down any criticism

and a pretty low one if you ask me. I am sure she is an honorable woman and wouldnt agree to people using her war wounds as a bludgeon to stifle fair scrutiny like every other candidate receives.

[madfloridian]

28. It worked on me. I would post about that race anymore.

I sure learned my lesson.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Why are you letting people shut you up?

That's pretty cowardly if you ask me. Sorry but I don't let anybody tell me to shut up. If people don't like it they can kiss my ass.

[madfloridian]

35. If it were my district and state I would not let them.

It is too painful to see this happen to Christine, and to suspect why it is happening.

It is the problem of Illinois and what they are willing to take.
It divided our party here last year, so I think they might have problems.

Not being cowardly. It just hurts to see it happen.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Well yes I agree

We all have our favorite's and politics isn't a nice thing. You have to be able to stand up to people and not let them push you around and shut you up.
I respect Mrs. Duckworth but the people should choose their canidate and not this person or that person. I'm not against endorsements or anything like that, but I treasure my vote and I want to say who my rep will be. Not someone else.

[tishaLA]

39. But of course I didn't use that tactic

I instead suggested that one become familiar with her positions rather than mischaracterize or infer what her positions might be. If you read my post, you'd know that.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Yep

I saw the video of her on "This Week" and I agreed with 99% of what she said. Only thing I didn't agree with was that Iraq having "elections" will bring some good to the country. It won't. They will have an Islamic religious theocracy where before they were very secular and had a lot of great things going on in the country. Women could go to school, be medical students, work, have different religious belief systems from Muslim to Christian. Now what will happen? George Bush has ruined their lives and people have to realize that and tell the truth about it. Not buy into this "elections are so good for Iraq!" nonsense.

[tishaLA]

37. I fail to see where I used the word "bash"

So this post must not be in response to me.

[wndycty]

45. Would you or would you not agree that. . .

. . .those who have called her a "pitty puppet" are bashing her? Those who are saying she is pro-life, when she is not are bashing her? Those who are calling her a neocon are bashingher?

[MrBenchley]

44. I especially liked this part...

"George: President Bush, for the last couple of weeks has been talking about his plan for victory. Do you think he's laid out a plan for victory?

Tammy: No, but I think he's got some great banners..."

[madfloridian]

24. Accusing me of bashing a wounded vet worked very well.

I posted on the subject the other night because it truly concerns me that the house and senate committees are choosing the primary candidates in so many cases.

I see tactics here like those that are used by the GOP...if someone differs don't bother with logic. Just attack. Say they are lying, or say they are not playing fair, or bashing.

There was a lot of that in the post Christine posted at Kos. It was not her supporters attacking anyone, not in that thread. But if someone questioned the wisdom of just keeping on running veterans, they got accused of attacking.

I am concerned because it is happening in many states. There is really no way to fight it except to call attention to it.

Apparently there is a concerted effort to make sure she is not criticized that much, and if she is to play a guilt trip. That may not be wise in the long run.

I cared about this race just like I cared when Morrison was asked to drop out in TX. There were others as well.

It was a feeling that we mattered, that we could make a difference. But everytime that happens, the party has a "better" candidate ready to jump in.

I feel sorry for this district in Illinois. We went through something similar here last year. It is painful, and it can really divide the party. I won't post about Duckworth again, because it is not worth fighting when it is not my state.

So by accusing me repeatedly of bashing, you had a victory. It is just not a very good victory.

[Doctor_J]

26. I wonder if Limpballs will say that she left her legs in Iraq as a resume

augmentation. Corporal Anal Cyst needs to come out of his sweat-infested studio and debate some real people on his lies. I think Tammy would be a great adversary for that lying piece of shit.

Is her hubby a Dem too?

[FreedomAngel82]

30. The only thing I've disagreed with her about

is how she said the elections will bring some good to Iraq. Not if you like an Islamic religious theocracy. Other wise I agree all the way with her and hope she makes it to Congress. I think she's very brave for going up against the neocons and their fundies and freepers who will bash her for her service because she's not a republican.

[tishaLA]

38. I agree with you 100%

I admire those who bother to listen to a position first before they infer or mischaracterize what a politician's position might be.

She is wrong, as you say, that the election will bring some good to Iraq; instead, I think, they will further cleave the Iraqi public. These are points, of course, with which one can disagree...but it's good to have the dialog.

[FreedomAngel82]

41. Yes

It will be interesting to see how well she does. If she loves politics and wants to change things I hope she doesn't give up if she doesn't make it. I think it's great so many Iraq veterans from her to Paul Hackett are running and wanting to step up and change things. Nobody can bash them with military references since they've been over there and have served and perhaps them adding to the dialog will help people see it from a different persepective. I think whether or not Mrs. Duckworth makes it to Congress or is the nominee she has helped so much already by speaking out and showing a different point of view having been there and it's important we try to get out of Iraq asap. Whoever can help that I welcome.

[wndycty]

46. Well she definately was studying for a career in politics. . .

. . .or at least public policy. According to her bio she got her masters in foreign affairs and was working on a PhD in political science, so she is no light weight.