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Fri Jan-30-04 10:33 AM
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Super Tuesday: Will Dean be the only anti-Kerry candidate? |
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Edited on Fri Jan-30-04 10:35 AM by nu_duer
Should Dean supporters vote Kerry in Feb?.....
If Clark and Edwards are blown away by Kerry Tuesday, which is not certain to happen at all, I know, but if it does, that would leave Dean as the only realistic anti-Kerry candidate by March. A thinned field would definitely benefit Dean. If this is the new strategy, its starting to make sense to me.
If it comes down to Kerry v. Dean by Super Tuesday, we'll be looking at Kerry having to get 50% plus of the vote to continue his streak. I don't think he can pull off that kind of support in CA or NY, etc.
Should we Dean supporters in Feb. primary states vote Kerry to try to bring this scenario about? (Or do I need another shot of caffeine this morning?)
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:36 AM
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1. It won't be Kerry / Dean. HD and JL will be gone in four days. |
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It will be Clark, Kerry and Edwards.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:48 AM
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17. Dean will be gone before Clark? |
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I seriously doubt that.
In fact, I'm betting after Tuesday, Clark may begin to regret not teaming up with Dean earlier on. That might have been the juggernaut that would have boosted any "outsider" chances this year.
At any rate, we'll see.
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Fri Jan-30-04 11:13 AM
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25. Edwards has money issues. |
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And Clark is out soon if he doesn't get any primaries.
Dean is in it for the long haul whether people like it or not. He's only quitting if it's mathematically impossible to win.
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Lefta Dissenter
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:37 AM
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2. It doesn't sound like caffeine is |
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what you've been having shots of!
What sort of support will your candidate have going into Feb 10 and 17 if he is a 'total loser' on Tuesday, as opposed to making a respectable showing? I don't think you're placing much faith in your candidate!
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:41 AM
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8. Just thinking out loud |
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maybe thinking badly out loud
Didn't mean this as a dis to Clark or the others. This just ocurred to me, and I thought I'd throw it out there.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:39 AM
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3. There isno such thing as anti-kerry candidate |
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Kerry's the candidate for the sheep of America. And I'm not talking about DUers, so don't even try to alert this.
Kerry is safe. He doesn't rock the boat. He wants Bush out of office, but once that goal is met, I don't see him doing anything else. Same ole same ole. The DLC holds on to its power. We emerge four years from now only slightly better off than we are now.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:40 AM
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4. do you mean Dean supporters here on DU and the blog? |
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how do you plan on getting that message out to Jane and John Q Public?
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:41 AM
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5. I encourage all Dean supporters to vote Kerry in Feb |
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Or Clark, or Edwards. Go for it!
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:41 AM
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7. I encourage all people to shoot themselves in the groin |
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Come on, it'll be good for you!
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:42 AM
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10. Carry that positive message to the White House! |
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I'll keep my groin, thanks
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:44 AM
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14. And I'll vote for the best candidate running, thanks |
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:45 AM
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16. Are you the Dean campaign welcome wagon? |
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:49 AM
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18. Oh, you were being objective? |
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I had no idea your mind was still open to Dean while you were spouting off about getting us to NOT vote for him.
:shrug:
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:53 AM
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21. I was joking. And I've already made my mind up about Dean |
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-- as a candidate in the primaries, I do not support him. I'll support him if he's the Democratic nominee. My sig line indicates who I support.
Anybody who claims to be objective on this forum is about as believable as a Dick Cheney lecture on energy conservation.
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Fri Jan-30-04 11:20 AM
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How will you vote for three people in the primaries?
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:44 AM
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12. and I encourage all Dean supporters |
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to worry about your own failing campaign and salvaging a little dignity before you attack Kerry.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:45 AM
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I was saying that to you guys three months ago. Did that stop you? Nope.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:41 AM
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It's an old poll but: President CA Dem Primary 1/23/2004 Kerry 31% Dean 26% Clark 14% Edwards 12% Other 11% Undecided 5% http://www.surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls.html
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:42 AM
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9. Dean isn't even likely to make it to Super Tuesday |
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So your basic premise is flawed. Sorry :hi:
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:43 AM
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11. This is known as over-analyzing |
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It would be silly to vote for someone other than your candidate, plus it's not gonna happen anyway. Dean supporters will vote for Dean in the primaries, this can safely be said with certainty.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:44 AM
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Edited on Fri Jan-30-04 10:45 AM by PATRICK
between shooting yourself in the foot or the head as far as Dean's future is concerned. Dean's political assets seem to have collapsed with his failure to prove himself on his chosen ground. it seems way too late to reverse that especially with his support base itself undermined with the departure of Trippi. In fact his woes are legion.
Kerry on the other hand was simply his own worst enemy, but kept on strong and put it back on base in what was really a decisive opening round- which it should never have been, but then Dean would be still facing a weak Southern hand this Tuesday. Oddly I once thought a Dean/Kerry shootout would have propelled the other candidates but it turned into a wildly unequal blowout first one way then the other so that one of them would become very dominant. Had it been Dean, the others would have had an easier time staying alive at least, by some degree.
I would say vote your second choice after Dean for who you think would be the best candidate- if you think Dean can't win- because you may not get a second opportunity. Just one drop in the ocean though.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:49 AM
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19. I will NEVER vote for a PNAC supported candidate. |
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period. No Bush No Lieberman No Kerry.
All others are negotiable, if and when Dean is out of the race (which is hopefully never
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:50 AM
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20. That's the dumbest thing I've heard yet |
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We should remove some of Dean's only remaining support so that it looks like the whole country is behind Kerry? C'mon.
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:57 AM
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22. Oh, this thread has gone horribly awry |
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Excuse me while I remove my foot from my mouth.
I think quinnox was right. overanalyzing. drowsy overanalyzing.
To anyone who took offense, especially fellow Dean supporters, my humble apologies.
Boy, is my face red.
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Fri Jan-30-04 11:10 AM
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23. and just to hit you while you're down... |
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I think that as a punishment, you should have to give up your username. Nobody with over 2000 posts to his name should be able to call himself Nu DUer! :hi: (it's ok, you'll recover, just remember, no more shots in the a.m.) :beer:
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Fri Jan-30-04 11:19 AM
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Yeah, changing my username is starting to sound like an especially good idea right about now - lol. You're right, tho, I do need to get around to getting a new user name...proabaly will do that soon.
Thanks, you Clark supporters are a class act.
:hi:
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Fri Jan-30-04 11:12 AM
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24. hey, don't worry about it |
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:hug: it's been a rough couple of days for lots of us.
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Fri Jan-30-04 11:21 AM
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Edited on Fri Jan-30-04 11:23 AM by nu_duer
I appreciate that. Very nice.
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