DeanForAmerica just got 40k in the last two hours...

[joshcryer]

Crazy...

[Larkspur]

1. If Dean doesn't win the nomination, his campaign will transform

into a movement, which it started out as, to keep the Dem nominee, who has been co-opting Dean's language, honest and to keep bashing Bush.

Dean is the only candidate that I support in the Primary. My 2nd choices is ABB, but I'm not inclined to donate to ABB's general election campaign, especially if the nominee is one who voted for the Iraq War. I'll continue to give to Dean and MoveOn.org.

[creativelcro]

2. You may be right... I got to know many people now and I'll keep

meeting with them and organizing, well after this thing is over.

[jean]

3. you have expressed my exact sentiments

[Snivi Yllom]

6. go go go

I'm loving it.

[Cheswick2.0]

4. the campaign is averaging about $7330 an hour over the last week

That's factoring in overnight hours too. Not too shabby, but then Dean has always had the grassroots.

[Zomby Woof]

17. but he has been spending

An average of $12,865 an hour since Iowa and NH. :evilgrin:

[MercutioATC]

21. Link for that figure?

[Zomby Woof]

23. it was a JOKE

Hence my evilgrin icon.

[ibegurpard]

28. Ever wonder why someone might post a snarky comment to a thread you start?

You have your answer.

[pnziii]

35. Deans doing Better

Deans averaging over $19,000 an hour since I started checking this morning since 10am

[DemBones DemBones]

5. I hope he'll do the right thing and pay his staff.

Asking them to work without pay for two weeks so he wouldn't have to put the campaign in debt is rephrehensible.

It shows that Dean has no clue about what it's like to be a working person without daddy's money to fall back on.

He should have taken out a loan as soon as the financial problems became evident. (Of course that was hard to do, after mocking Kerry for the perfectly sensible choice of mortgaging a house to finance his campaign.)

How can anyone believe that a "great manager" would have allowed this to happen?

A manager needs to be on top of things, including the books. Dean should have known what was going on with the campaign money and not allowed all the money to be spent before the end of January.

It's the end of Dean's credibility on economic issues.

[progressivebydesign]

13. I don't think it's reprehensible.

Perhaps it would be better for him to close up shop, fire everyone? It is a hardship not to be paid for two weeks.. obviously. BUT most of the people, I'd guess, are sticking with him. It's about more than a paycheck to most campaign employees. The majority of workers are volunteers.. those that are paid, believe in what he represents, and are probably willing to forego a paycheck in return for months of work on a campaign whose life is not cut short by a cash squeeze. Campaigns do this all the time.. you accept those things when you work on them. It sucks, but it's reality. If you want a secure job, a campaign is not the place to find it.

[LuminousX]

16. It isn't reprehensible and anyone working on a campaign

who isn't fully aware that this might happen shouldn't be working on a campaign.

[XanaDUer]

25. Making payroll is goal number one...

I don't care who you are. Only a wealthy person could not appreciate what it is like to go two weeks or more without a paycheck.

[LuminousX]

26. Ever participated as a paid member of a campaign?

When you sign on, most campaigns alert you to the possibility that you may go without pay. That isn't to say you won't be paid, but the campaign comes first, payroll second. Without the campaign, there won't be a payroll.

That is like saying that if a business only has enough money to either pay the employees or buy more material to produce product, it should pay the employees and close the doors.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. What About People Who Live Paycheck To Paycheck?

An employer and I don't care who he is has a solemn obligation to pay his employees for the work they have done...

As a small businessman it is incumbent upon me to make payroll so those in my employ can eat....

What part of that don't you understand?

[janx]

29. Did you even read Luminous's post?

?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. No- I Lack The Acumen Of The Dean Acolytes

(-:


Pitiful me...

[LuminousX]

31. What part don't I understand, the part where you feed your employees today

but then have to fire them all tomorrow because there is no more work.

I am in error in comparing a campaign with a business, because it isn't like that. You don't go to work on a campaign if you need a stable job. The candidate can quit at any point in time and suddenly you are without a paycheck.

But, you know, whatever. Nothing I say or anyone will say will change your mind about Dean so it is a waste of energy to try.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. There Is A Difference Between A Campaign Job And A "Regular" Job

but don't you think some of those folks needed the money and a "heads up" might have been nice....

[LuminousX]

40. They get a 'heads up' when they sign on to work for the campaign

[patricia92243]

7. thank you, God. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Zomby Woof]

18. I didn't know God donated any $$$

Thank Dean's supporters instead. THEY put up the money.

[XanaDUer]

24. Wow-I had better pull my old rosary out of the closet...

Wait a minute- Kerry is in the lead.

Nevermind. :evilgrin:

[frustrated_lefty]

8. It's payday!

He's getting another $100 as soon as my paycheck is deposited.

[jsw_81]

9. Big deal

Dean spent over $30 million in Iowa and New Hampshire, and has yet to win even a single primary or caucus. Do you really think a few hundred thousand dollars will turn this thing around?

Face it: John Kerry has the momentum, and barring a catastrophe, he will be our nominee.

[slinkerwink]

10. comments like that won't help me support Kerry.

[Zomby Woof]

20. what?

What about the issues? Aren't Dean supporters telling us we should ignore the behavior of some of his supporters and listen to the man instead? Shouldn't Kerry supportes be given the same courtesy?

Dean's campaign is in its death throes. I don't plan on kicking him when he is down, but those are only plans.

[jsw_81]

22. Sorry for raining on your parade

But facts are facts. All the money in the world isn't going to save Dean at this point.

[Blitz]

37. I had the impression

that your vote was non-transferable. Was I wrong?

[Larkspur]

14. That may be true, but it's great to still beat Kerry in fundraising

We Dean supporters still want to change our Party and Country and Kerry was forced to realize that. Kerry co-opted Dean's language and used the Dem Party machine to offset Dean's fundraising advantage.

Dean did make a big impact on the political process and the fact that Kerry had to steal Dean's lines and language is proof that Dean made Kerry a stronger candidate in voter's perceptions.

If Dean continues to raise more money than the eventual nominee, Dean could still be a major shaper of the Dem Party. Kerry could get himself into the White House, but he doesn't have the charisma to generate coat tails. Dean will have the funds to or a block of supporters who can financially help Congressional candidates compete against more well funded Repukes.

[cid]

15. I believe the catastrophe will be Kerry as the nominee.

:) just my opinion of course

[LuminousX]

19. Wrong, so wrong. That money was spread over 26 some states

That is why it isn't so shocking, it is the price of running a national campaign.

[jsw_81]

34. Then why is Dean losing everywhere?

The latest Zogby poll has Kerry crushing Dean all over the place. Dean's "national campaign" never existed.

[LuminousX]

36. There are many explanations for the loss, money doesn't guarantee a win

[bloom]

41. So far Dean is ahead nationally

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html

113 Dean 94 Kerry







Thats how I see it, anyway. I think the race is too early to call.

[lyonn]

42. thanks LuminousX

You speak well for many of us. Like Dean spread his $$ around the country from what I have heard. Working for a campaign couldn't be considered full time work! Etc. Kerry has repeated all of Dean's issues and boy did it work, along with the media's help.

[pnziii]

39. So that's how we should choose......

Our Candidate?
Because Kerry is in the lead we should all just jump on the band wagon.

Gee why didn't the Kerry/Edwards/Clark supports drop their candidates and join Dean when he had all the momentum?

[lyonn]

43. Only when it's your candidate

that is ahead. It is amazing how 2 primaries wins you the election. Wait, could that be that the favored son of the DLC got the nod?

[progressivebydesign]

11. It's a Wonderful Life.. starring Howard Dean.

Okay. I woke up with this in my mind:

Howard Dean is George Bailey. Idealistic has goals and dreams, the realities of life keep getting in the way, i.e. money.

Bush is, of course, Mr. Potter. That is a casting no-brainer. Wants to turn the town in Bushville.

Joe Trippi, well, this week he'd be Uncle Billy. Through no malice, the money is simply gone.

Kerry is Sam Wainright. Handsome, rich, good looking. Everything goes well for him.

Clark is Harry Bailey. The War hero.

Of course, Al Gore is Clarence, the benevolent awkward Angel.

The media? They only report the story of George Bailey/Howard Dean snapping a Zsu Zsu on Christmas Eve. The phone call to her teacher in which George loses it. And, they report with salicious delight, the money that George gave Violet to leave town. Diane Sawyer devotes an entire hour to that story!

After the stunning realization that he is out of money, and facing complete ruin, those in the town find out. The baskets of money begin to pour in (The Bat)... and George learns that not only is he rich with donations, he is rich in people who love and support him.

Good morning! :)

[bloom]

33. that was cute

so we'll need to find out if Sam Wainright, Harry or George is going to be President! (the rich guy, the war hero or the sincere, frugal, sacrificing worker).


(oops - what about Edwards)

[genius]

12. Anyone want some swampland?

It may be soggy but it won't disappear.

[LuminousX]

32. Keep it up you wonderful Dean people!

I know a lot of you have given what you can, some even more than you probably should have. This is the time when we need to reach out to that first circle or even second circle of friends and acquaintences.

Within my group of friends I have been counseling them to do what I was planning on doing, coming up with a figure I could afford to devote to the election, splitting it in half, giving one half to my primary choice and the other half to the nominee. I just notified them that it is now more important, if they truly want to see change in American politics, to give what they can to Dean right now.

[cthrumatrix]

45. I agree...the dean supporters are great

[Guaranteed]

44. I just gave him $250 more.

People are scraping together their money. Dean's the man, and we're willing to make sacrifices for the good of the country.