Tell Me Your True Feelings

[THUNDER HANDS]

Is John Kerry the frontrunner right now because the grassroots Democrats, the 25% of the party that's actually paying attention, saw that he is the most qualified candidate.

Or

Is John Kerry the frontrunner because the media/establishment/Skull & Bones/Barney the dinosaur/Bill Clinton overlords are pulling the strings on this primary.


And if you believe the answer to be the latter. Then answer me this question...

Q: If the media/establishment dems all control the primary anyway. And it was rigged against the other candidates. Then why did Howard Dean, Wesley Clark, John Edwards, ect, even bother to run?

Surely, they, being a lot closer to the inner workings of the Democratic Party than we mere Internet observors, knew that the game was rigged. They must have known that they had no shot because "THEY" want Kerry - whoever "THEY" are.

So which is it.

Did Kerry win on his own or did Dean lay down for him?

[KFC]

1. I think that S&B Geronimo head had something to do with it

You also have to acknowledge the Illuminatis' influence.

[brainshrub]

25. Don't forget the influence of the

cryogenicly frozen head of Elvis being stored on-board the UFO at Area-51.

[girl gone mad]

2. None of the above. n/t

[Justice]

3. This Just Makes Kerry Look Bad

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. I wish we had a 'noogie' emoticon

:D

[faithfulcitizen]

8. neither

the poll didn't address the orginal question?

:eyes:

[piece sine]

4. Kerry stands on his own...

He's not my first choice but he's one of my top two. Establishment Dems are split between Clark and Kerry. Our Southern friends are partial to Edwards. This race is not over. Stay tuned.

[cavebat2000]

5. he has

Because hes copied Dean from the start

[Dob Bole]

6. Kerry won despite media favoritism of Dean

Joe Klein and Candy Crowley want to hump Dean. But Kerry's Iowa win was a fluke based on an event that happened in Vietnam, which technically is his own merit.

This isn't over. And yes, I'm partial to Edwards.

[Capn Sunshine]

9. Nice Push Poll

" Did Kerry win due to his fantastic qualifications?

or

Is everyone congenitally insane

We'll just let the Bob Dole of the 21st century tell us all about it...

[ibegurpard]

10. ROFL!

"Tell me your true feelings," indeed.

[THUNDER HANDS]

12. lol

If you think John Kerry is like Bob Dole, then I'm going to have a great time watching you be proved wrong.

[Capn Sunshine]

23. I hope and pray you are correct

sadly, the DLC missives are flying and they belie that assumption.

[LuminousX]

11. You have a copse of nine trees of various heights.

From season to season they are all growing at different rates. Two trees are the tallest of the bunch but because they are so tall you can't effectively measure their heights to know which is taller than the other. One day, one of those trees has fallen over. A little bit of rot, high winds, and someone sawing at it knocked it over. Now it is clear which tree is tallest.

Your poll leaves out the most obvious reason. Kerry re-engaged himself into the campaign. Dean had spent weeks taking body blows from the 8 other campaigns and the media. Dean's lackluster showing in Iowa, whether due to dirty tricks or not getting the right people to the caucus frightened a lot of people who thought there were jumping on the winning bandwagon.

Now people are jumping to the the candidate they think is more likely to win. These people are fickle. I think Dean can win back a lot of their support by the time the primaries are over.

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. but what, other than blind optimism, leads you to that conclusion?

I mean, he has NO money.

When's the last time he picked up a notable endorsement?

He's shutting down ads.

And now he's taking his "national campaign" state-shopping to whatever state he believes will be close enough for him to squeak out a victory.

Please, I'm willing to listen. WHY can Dean recover?

[LuminousX]

19. For the same reason he was able to go from an * to a national figure

His message is powerful. His supporters are loyal.

And he is still pulling in money. It may have slowed (people like to back known winners, only investors take a look at longshots) but the donations are still coming in.

He is doing what he needs to do to get past the next few weeks until he can reach some delegate rich states that he has already done some groundwork in.

Blind optimism? No, just a little myopic optimism.

Besides, I know what is going on here is more than getting one person elected and I like the direction it is moving in and I want to do everything I can to make sure THAT goal isn't lost in the election madness.

[Indiana Democrat]

13. Good God...

He'll be the nominee because THANKFULLY Democrats came to their senses BEFORE Dean won the nomination.



And here's a hint...DU is a great place to vent, but it's not the real world.

[JByrd]

16. I guess President...

Kerry is the real world?

[Ninga]

22. Does anyone have any thoughts

about the December Pitt Truthout editorial talking about the media "trial" Kerry had in Al Franken's appartment?

Do you really think all Kerry had to do was re-tool his message?

[kaitykaity]

15. None of the above.

There is no denying that the corporate media whores
went after Dean with blood in their eyes.

There is also no denying that Dean did not handle
the onslaught very well.

No onslaught, Dean wins.

Kerry was just there to jump in to the gap.

[cthrumatrix]

17. simple...Illusion of choice for the voters before the "hit"

[waldenx]

18. its a combination

1. DLC torpedoed Dean
2. Most voters are cowards and sheep that have no intelligence.

[THUNDER HANDS]

21. so a vote for Kerry was an unintelligent vote?

And anyone who doesn't follow YOUR lead is a sheep? Right?

[eleny]

20. On his own merit

First - I'm a Clark supporter. Okay, as for Kerry, when I saw the rally in Iowa where he was surprised by the presence of the veteran whose life he saved in SE Asia, I knew he had Iowa in the bag. The man spoke saying he was a registered Repub but that he was voting for Kerry. From there on, it was all uphill and fast. Kerry seemed much more relaxed and stopped speaking as if he had just come down from the mountain with "The Tablets". The way he was relating to people was so much more comfortable that I wasn't surprised at how well he did both in Iowa and then in New Hampshire.

Btw, I don't believe that Dean would know how to lay down for another candidate. He appears way to loyal to his supporters who have worked so hard. No way would he step aside right now. I hope he can and does continue all the way to the convention. I hope they all do and keep hammering at the shrub with all those voices.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. Other: Kerry is the BFEE (sarcasm on) God picked him

:tinfoilhat:

[welshTerrier2]

26. anagramoia: the fear of anagrams

if you scramble all the letters in "John Kerry", you can spell the words "Republican devil" ...

don't ask me how ... </sarcasm>

[killbotfactory]

27. If you want me to believe that...

Negative coverage of Dean 24/7 in the media, plus some organization (signs point to Kerry) robo-calling and harassing Dean supporters while pretending to be DFA (which resulted in only 1/3rd of his identified supporters showing up at the caucuses), plus republican linked groups running negative ads against Dean had nothing to do with Dean's decline within just two weeks, I ain't buying it. I'm not that fucking niave.

[Dark Star]

28. I don't want you to believe that.

However, the media was ass-kissing Dean 24/7 until the meltdown after the Iowa surprise. Then, he was dissed and made fun of by all the late-night talk show hosts. What does he do? He forces Trippi out.

Anybody in the Dean camp care to take any responsibility here?

[LuminousX]

29. Trippi was removed as COO of the campaign because he

wasn't producing a winning strategy on the ground.

And where you saw ass-kissing, we the Dean supporters saw microscopes digging for flaws. Remember 'Angry Dean?' Remember 'Too Liberal?' Remember 'Too Conservative?' Remember when Saddam's stature in Baghdad was pulled down and Blitzer called the Dean campaign to ask if they were pulling out of the election? Remember when Saddam was captured and everyone said Dean was done? Remember the phoney hysterics over his confederate flag remark?

I could go on, but I think the point is clear. There wasn't much ass kissing going on from our perspective.

[THUNDER HANDS]

32. yes, but those were reactions from Dean himself

For every statement Dean made, the press commented on it. Sometimes the conservative Dean came out, sometimes the liberal Dean.

That's the problem with having an ideology that's all over the map, you're going to get hammered from both sides.

[AntiCoup2K4]

30. If I told you my true feelings

a few overzealous supporters of the DLC chosen one would hit the alert button and my true feelings wouldn't be here for anyone to read 5 minutes later. So I think I'll pass, but thanks for asking. :)

[_NorCal_D_]

31. ROTFLMAO

These poll results are such an embarrassment. :(