Hillary salivating over Bush's new powers?

[Bloodblister Bob]

I believe Hillary Clinton to be a power-mad individual. If she should be elected President in 2008, I fear that she would not begin deconstructing the grotesque abuse-of-power infrastructure that the Bush administration has put into place. My suspicion is that she would preserve and use the powers which Bush has shifted to the executive branch, bringing them down hard on those who oppose her and her agenda.

[marylanddem]

1. Hilary ain't goin' nowhere. eom

[niceypoo]

51. Hillary is right up there with Zell Miller and Leiberman

She believes that spouting republican BS will get her the pathological rabid Clinton hating right's vote. She's a frigging idiot.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. You mean, we might end up with universal health care

for everyone in the country? Oh no, can't have that now can we?

[Bloodblister Bob]

7. Are you saying that extreme Executive Branch power is good...

...if it gets you what you want?

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Not at all,

you're the one hurling the accusations. I happen to think that Hillary is no more power mad then any other politican and if she ever does get elected president that she would do a great job, just she has for the people of NY. Maybe you just have a problem with powerful and intelligent women?

[Bloodblister Bob]

18. I'm married to a powerful and intelligent woman. nt

[trotsky]

3. Go scare 'em on Freeperville with this.

DU is not the place to launch an attack like this on HRC.

[wakeme2008]

5. with freepers reading this board

maybe that was the OP idea. :)

[Bloodblister Bob]

6. I'm expressing concern, not "attacking"...

And, I'm no "Freeper".

[DoYouEverWonder]

Calling someone a a power-mad individual

is a personal attack in my book.

[Bloodblister Bob]

15. Do you think Bush is a power-mad individual?

I do. Shouldn't I say so?

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. If you want to attack Hillary

then you are in the wrong place. This is a private forum for people who support Democrats and oppose the Bush administration. Attacking Bush is acceptable around here, attacking other Dems is not. Maybe you need to re-read the rules that you were suppose to read when you signed up?

[Bloodblister Bob]

22. Do you support ALL Democrats? If not, then...

...you know how I feel about Hillary Clinton.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Criticizing someone

is not the same as attacking someone.

If you would like to discuss specific issues or policies that Hillary supports or specific things that she has done then I would be glad to have a debate with you but name call and making outrageous claims isn't going to cut it.

[Bloodblister Bob]

60. You attack Bush, don't you? ...

Of course you do. Well, I attack both Hillary Clinton AND George Bush. I'm a flexible thinker that way.

[zanne]

34. I think Republicans fear Hillary Clinton's potential power.....

It's OK for their boy to have unchecked executive power, but when the tables turn, they'll no longer feel like they "have nothing to hide".

[trotsky]

17. It's one thing to criticize Hillary,

but something else altogether to call her "power-mad." I disagree with some of her policy stands, but if she were really "power-mad" I think we could have seen a lot worse from her over the years.

[Bloodblister Bob]

20. I'd rather not give her the power, and be unpleasantly surprised. nt

[countingbluecars]

23. I have a problem with any president

having unchecked powers such as Bush has claimed. However, Bush is evil. Hillary is not.

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[Tamarin]

8. What is her *agenda*?

I wouldn't have a problem if she were using her *powers* to help the country.

[bowens43]

13. Really?

Do you have a problem with Bush using his *powers* to help the country? He believes he's helping country as do many of his supporters.

[Tamarin]

29. Where is the proof that he is helping anything? If Hillary were President

and she was screwing up as badly as Bush, I would want her *powers* lessened also. Just *believing* a person is doing the correct thing is not enough, it needs to be backed up with actions. I'm not a knee-jerk Hillary supporter, I just think that given the same *powers* she would use them differently. If she turned out like Bush, I would be calling for her impeachment also.

[Raster]

10. Why do people hate Hillary so?

[bowens43]

11. Because it's become apparent that

there is no ass so dirty or vile that she won't kiss it to further her political ambitions.

[stray cat]

36. If true that only makes her a typical politician

The hatred of her seems quite unique and doesn't seem to extend to any other politicians. America may not be ready for a woman leader unlike Europe - in general they seem to generate much more hatred than male politicians who do similar things and they are more likely to be labeled as power hungry.

[Jayhawk Lib]

30. Hillary Clinton is too divisive

We need someone we can all get behind. That person is John Kerry. We were all behind Kerry last election because he was the best candidate for the country. He should have been elected and he almost was. John Kerry is still the best candidate for the country. He has not changed.

A lot of Republicans now realize what a mistake they made voting Bush for 4 more years. Kerry got off on the wrong foot trying to make the Vietnam war an issue and that turned a lot of people off.

If Kerry will stick to the real issues, and I am sure he will this time, he is unbeatable. No one has a handle on the current issues like he does.

[stray cat]

37. I think Kerry will be seen as pretty divisive as well

I like Kerry, but would be more in favor of a new individual. However, I'll wait and see what happens between now and 2008.

[ChiciB1]

33. Your Word "Hate" Is A Bit Strong... However I Find Her To Be

more a "chameleon" and this distresses me far too much to support her! Where once I was almost always in her corner, since she's been elected to the Senate I've begun to feel she ISN'T the person I thought she was!

Furthermore, I myself am getting EXTREMELY sick and tired of the fact that she's being pushed forward as the front-runner for the Democrats in 2008, CONSTANTLY! I'm very afraid that I don't know what I will do if she becomes the nominee in 2008! I seriously hope this won't come to fruition!

I watched Tim Russert late last night and Safire and the other guests seemed to feel that SHE WAS going to be the nominee and McCain would be the person she had to beat! While saying he thought she COULD win, he also said that Democrats seem to WANT to lose the Presidency ALL THE TIME! That in and of itself is nothing more than a "contradiction" standing alone! Personally I think the Repukes WANT Hillary more than the Democrats here at DU! It's a bit too much for me, and I fervently HOPE that she WON'T be the nominee!!


:think: :nopity:

[rman]

41. Why do people frame criticism as hate?

Asking why people hate Hillary if they criticize her, is like asking "why do you hate America" when people criticize the Bush administration.

[Raster]

44. my post was rhetorical. However, there truly are certain factions that

have made I Hate Hillary into cottage industries. Look at limpballs, his current schtick is bassed on the I Hate Hillary meme. Limpballs is THE one-trick pony and that pony's name is Hillary.

[rman]

46. but Limbaugh isn't posting in this thread is he?

so what's the point?

[Raster]

49. not that I noticed.

[stray cat]

53. When facts are stated I would call that criticism

If all I read is name calling or emotional attacks with absolutely no evidence stated it sounds more like hatred.

[rman]

56. The OP states belief and fear; neither name calling nor emotional attack

Unless you think "power-mad individual" and "grotesque abuse-of-power" is name calling.

There's emotion there alright: it's fear.

Suppose someone would say that of Bush - does that mean the person says it just because he/she hates Bush?

Also it's not that uncommon for people to become somewhat emotional regarding *'s abuse of power - why should one not be allowed to become somewhat emotional at the perceived possibility of someone else's abuse of power?

[Stockholm]

12. Hillary would make a terrific president - IMO

[NicRic]

14. As we eat or own .....

the repugs will be laughing in fromt of us ! The Clintons reguardless if you agree with them on every issuse or not ,are part of our party and Mrs Clinton ,is indeed ,way better then what we currently have in the White House . It puzzles me how the repugs hold their former Presidents (Regan) up on as high of a pedistal they can find while we try to tear ours apart. I believe with her husband whispering in her ear ,and her own general wish to do whats good for the average American ,that its a shame so many of her own party despise her ,when she is a great role modle for our young women ,for that mater all of our young. I also believe she would guard the lives of our fighting men and women, and always make having them put their young lives on the line the absolute last resort! Iam not sure that she would be the best choice for 2008 ,however ,if she was to be picked I would support her 100%

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. I couldn't disagree more with you. It's quite the opposite.

I don't think Senator Clinton has changed. She's still the same person that tried to implement single-payer health care for all of us, so no one would lack health care in this country. What probably upsets you is the way she seems to be kowtowing to the conservatives by making moderate statements and stating moderate views. I think this is happening to all Democrats, as they try to "please" some of the conservatives into voting for them.

However, I think that once in office, she'd kick ass. STILL, when I hear her new moderate voice it makes me crazy, and at times I doubt everything I've said above. :crazy:

[stray cat]

21. What is the basis for your belief?

[Bridget Burke]

24. Why didn't you spell her name "Hitlery"?

I'm sure you do when posting elsewhere.

She's not my favorite candidate. But I hardly think she's a monster.

[formercia]

25. Regardless of who is elected President in 2008

They should use all of their available powers under the law to give all of those responsible for the crimes against the Constitution to get their due process.

[MrBenchley]

26. Better hide under the bed (snicker)

[asjr]

28. Have you always had the ability to

read minds? As far as I know Hillary Clinton has not said she is running for president in 2008. Dislike H all you want. That doesn't bother me at all. But your entire message sounds right out the the Repuke right-wing playbook.

[stray cat]

31. Condi Rice is the one I would be worried about

or do you have more trust in her not being power hungry?

[seabeyond]

39. they would have to appoint her pres. race adn gender alone will stop

her. this hate that has been created between the white and there ahte of all that isnt white is strong.

[William769]

32. The right wing neocons would applaud

such an attack you have made. I guess you think yourself proud.

On EDIT: I would like to see proof of your statement, but I know none will be forth coming. Oh wait just like another group we know of.

[MaineDem]

35. Now that's a bit harsh

No, I'm wrong, it's totally harsh!

Hillary is a strong and opinionated woman and frightens many (in both parties) because of that. But I don't think she's the best candidate we'll have in '08. She won't be President.

Now worry about something else.

[seabeyond]

38. i saw some hillary post yest. i said, she wont be giving us our rights

back. that is the single one reason i dont want her in. i agree with you. now....... this is a big reason repug should be fighting bush right now. secondly,.....i cant see repugs gaining all these powers to ever hand it over. and third, i have never trusted hillary and bill and their connection, relationship, and how they talk about bush and policies.

[quinnox]

40. I would love Hillary Clinton to be in the White House and start kicking

Republican ass all over the place with some huge powerful Big Momma boots!

Rush Limbaugh Republicans should be scared if she becomes president, she will be the right wingers worse nightmare.

I for one can't wait!

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[Toots]

45. What a dolt

:shrug:

[Connie_Corleone]

47. Is this the official anti-Hillary thread for the day?

Gawd forbid if we miss a day.

:sarcasm:

[demgrrrll]

48. Could we deal with our law breaking so called President first? I think

that every ounce of energy and time that anyone has should be used to fight Bush and his minions. I do not care about hypothetical situations right now. Who gives a rat's ass about what Hillary might or might not do in a few years. Nice try at a diversion from the important issue at hand. Has anyone read Digby and his link to Greenwald today. Great stuff.

[dennisnyc]

55. or Bush's comments at Brook yesterday?--shocking!

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. Looks like our friend here

has taken his ball and gone home.

Maybe we should just let this thread die a natural death?

[SaveElmer]

52. This is beyond ridiculous...

Take this tripe to Freeper land.

Hillary is an outstanding senator, who would make a great President. And there is nothing in her public behavior to suggest anything like you are suggesting.

This is just another way for the DU Hillary Hater Club to get grist to grind in their mill!!!

[dennisnyc]

54. she is great for the military-industrial-complex and the elite corps!

[SaveElmer]

58. Nonsensical...

And unsupported by credible evidence...

Cliched slogans will convince nobody

[rman]

57. She's a pro-war senator, would be a pro-war president.

Not to mention pro-corporations.

[SaveElmer]

59. See Post #58..nt

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