Pat Buchanan: "The president's WON this argument" (wiretapping)

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

On Hardball.

"Not a SINGLE Democrat has come out and said 'What you're doing is WRONG, STOP it RIGHT NOW'...the president's WON this argument.:

:puke:

[Bucky]

1. I thought I saw Schumer saying this two weeks ago. Not that it was covered

much.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Conyers?

I read his statement.

Can Buchanan read?

[ddeclue]

3. Kerry did on Ed Schultz

[globalvillage]

12. "He is NOT on legal ground."

Kerry on Ed Schultz (12/21) re bush* wiretapping.
I think that was pretty clear.

[heidiho]

4. How do you "win" at something illegal???

Bush nevere wins, he just coerces and points fingers and yells "terra, terra, terra"

The US is the loser.

[beam me up scottie]

5. I dunno, I kind of liked what Sen. Leahy had to say:

Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT): "This warrant-less eavesdropping program is not authorized by the patriot act, it's not authorized by any act of congress, and it's not overseen by any court. And according to reports it has been conducted under a secret presidential order, based on secret legal opinions by the same justice department, lawyers who argued secretly, that the president could order the use of torture. Mr. President, it is time to have some checks and balances in this country, we are a democracy. We are a democracy. Let's have checks and balances, not secret orders and secret courts and secret torture, and on and on."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/19/1515204

[mac56]

6. Nonsense.

Two weeks ago:

Democrats call for investigation of NSA wiretaps

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democratic House leaders called Sunday for an independent panel to investigate the legality of a program President Bush authorized that allows warrantless wiretaps on U.S. citizens, according to a letter to House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

"We believe that the President must have the best possible intelligence to protect the American people, but that intelligence must be produced in a manner consistent with our Constitution and our laws, and in a manner that reflects our values as a nation," the letter says.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi; Minority Whip Steny Hoyer; Rep. John Conyers, the ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee; and Rep. Henry Waxman, the ranking member on the House Committee on Government Reform, signed the letter.

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Anyway, what's Buchanan's logic? If he thinks no one calls Bush on it, that makes it all right?

[madfloridian]

7. He was saying that as Shrum was calling it wrong...

Not that fond of the Shrum types of talking heads, but he did postively say it was wrong...and Buchanan was trying to out talk him.

[joefree1]

8. Then how come NY Times is still talking about it?

January 2, 2006
Bush Defends Spy Program and Denies Misleading Public

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
WASHINGTON, Jan. 1 - President Bush continued on Sunday to defend both the legality and the necessity of the National Security Agency's domestic eavesdropping program, and he denied that he misled the public last year when he insisted that any government wiretap required a court order.
more ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/02/politics/02spy.html

Keep shoveling Pat. You're gonna need a lot more BS to bury this story.

[AtomicKitten]

9. Anybody else want to slap the crap out of Republicans?

I get so tired of their manipulative rhetoric.

I'd like Buchanan to point to one Democrat who said it isn't illegal! The closest to that have been Dems who've said we need to find out (aaarrgggghhhh!!!!).

The Dems SHOULD be calling for a special prosecutor ---- like Patrick Fitzgerald. sigh.

[stray cat]

10. Definitely not true - Buchanan is smoking someting

Alot of democrats have condemned it and even republicans. There is a nonpartisan call for investigations. Feingold has just been one of many.

[stopbush]

11. Typical Buchannan BS. He believes his own lies.

What should we expect from an idealogue who learned at the feet of Nixon?

[biscotti]

13. When Buchanan says a blatant

falsehood he then pauses to see if it will fly....then smiles. He knows he is lying.

[paulk]

14. Buchanan's fascist roots are showing

what a jackass

and liar...

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

15. If Buchanan said it, then it must be totally irrelevant! n/t

They not only wanna define the discussion, frame the discussion.

Now they're making up rules about what constitutes winning an argument?

Oh Puh-Leeeez!!!

:puke:

[kynn]

16. Hate to say this...

...but Buchanan is right. And he was right also a few weeks ago, in the McLaughlin Group, when he said that the Democrats should draft a bill of impeachment.

When it comes to shaping public opinion, momentum is everything, and Democrats in Congress love to squander it. All one hears about the Democrats is how they are "studying" the situation, which is code for "losing."

[gratuitous]

20. And how would a bill of impeachment get a hearing?

How would it get on the agenda? How would the Democrats get it assigned to a committee? Please cite pertinent House rules (you know, of course, that a bill of impeachment must originate in the House, right?), explain how it would get in the hopper, be considered, assigned, and hearings held.

If you or Buchanan can do that, then I'll concede that yes, the Democrats should draft a bill of impeachment, because this is a very serious matter. What would be the charges? And what would those charges be based on? Whose investigation? Whose sworn testimony? What facts would a bill of impeachment be based on that are legitimately before Congress. I'm guessing that Buchanan doesn't know, and I'm willing to wager that you don't either.

And if that's the case, then a bill of impeachment would be just slightly less efficacious than pissing up a rope.

[Boojatta]

17. Some possibilities for Buchanan to consider:

1. The President did something impressive. The President successfully argued in favor of a position that is wrong.

2. The President did something that is not impressive. The President successfully argued in favor of a position that is clearly right.

3. What is more important than whether one wins or loses is how one plays the game. Buchanan thinks that the President played with integrity, but Buchanan doesn't know whether or not the President actually won the argument.

[No Exit]

18. That's a lie.

Pat should use his lips for other things besides lying. Like blowing his High Party Leader, Pretzeldent Bush. In the back hallway, off the Oval Office. So we can impeach the Pretzeldent for having gay sex with Pat.

[Arkana]

19. First off, that's the biggest telltale sign that someone has lost

an argument--when they say "I win the argument by default cause you haven't responded!"

Second, it's flat out not true--at least 10 separate Dems have condemned Dumbass for this. The media is ignoring them as usual.