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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:06 PM
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Anyone Watch Tweety Tonight??? Seems HE Was Pretty Much
"Standing Alone" in his distress over the NSA MESS!! That to me is a bit of a surprise that it would be HIM that seemed more upset than his guests. David Rivkin, who must either be of Russian or Czech dissent was on C-Span this AM and just about made me puke and here he was AGAIN with his Mug and specious statements that the "spying" is good as a "debatable" process for the Constitution and Judiciary of America!

As usual, The Idiot looks like he's going to "slime" us once again. Unfortunately I've forgotten the name of WHO the Democratic Attorney who was one as perhaps a rebuttal to Rivkin simply stated he DID admire The Idiot for standing up and "admitting" that he DID approve of his actions!

Wow, I just can't get enough of this Lucey Goosey stuff as Tweety called it! If the Democrats aren't going to object, well then it's just "same Ole, same ole" and "We The People" are left hanging, ONCE AGAIN!!

:wtf: :puke: AND :nuke:

Puleeeze, gimme a break, JUST ONCE!!!

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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:09 PM
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1. Don't get too excited...
tomorrow, Tweety will be kvelling about Bush's musculature and how he'll belong on Mt. Rushmore and all that vaguely gay stuff that he does now and again.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Now, Pete Williams is on Keith...another chameleon. Williams that is...
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:12 PM
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3. He worked for Cheney during Bush I term, remember?
I don't trust him at all...
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:14 PM
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6. Williams is very creepy...
Didn't he used to be the Pentagon spokesperson? I guess he had to leave when he came out.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:03 PM
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19. He has this to worry about
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:11 PM
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2. I watched, Tweetie was a little bit off his game today, first day back?
He kinda wanted to make something out of it, but I don't think he thought about how to articulate it yet, stay tuned!!!

Did you hear Pat Buchanan say we need to go after Bush because CIA is in Ankara asking if we can use bases for strilkes on Iran?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:13 PM
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5. Another precinct heard from....
Buchanan is absolutely Schizophrenic when it comes to the Bush fambly. By the time I'm finished listening to him I'm so confused, I can't breathe.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:36 PM
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12. Agreed, Lately He's Banging One Of Those HUGE Drums For
these buffoons in the WH and their cohorts! Sorry I couldn't remember the name of the drum I'm talking about. I never took "band" in school, but I KNOW what that drum looks like!!!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:44 PM
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15. That's what disinformationists are supposed to do: confuse.
Buchanan's just doing what he's paid to do!
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:01 PM
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22. OMG, I caught that too!
I was wondering, though, if he were just trying to distract us from the NSA case???
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:13 PM
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4. SOS with this scandal:
Dau Report (from Salon.com) -
"The Dynamic of a Bush Scandal: How the Spying Story Will Unfold (and Fade)"
by Peter Daou
The third button on the Daou Report's navigation bar links to the U.S. Constitution, a Constitution many Americans believe is on life support - if not already dead. The cause of its demise is the corrosive interplay between the Bush administration, a bevy of blind apologists, a politically apathetic public, a well-oiled rightwing message machine, lapdog reporters, and a disorganized opposition. The domestic spying case perfectly illuminates the workings of that system. And the unfolding of this story augurs poorly for those who expect it to yield different results from other administration scandals.
Here's why: the dynamic of a typical Bush scandal follows familiar contours...
1. POTUS circumvents the law - an impeachable offense.
2. The story breaks (in this case after having been concealed by a news organization until well after Election 2004).
3. The Bush crew floats a number of pushback strategies, settling on one that becomes the mantra of virtually every Republican surrogate. These Republicans face down poorly prepped Dem surrogates and shred them on cable news shows.
4. Rightwing attack dogs on talk radio, blogs, cable nets, and conservative editorial pages maul Bush's critics as traitors for questioning the CIC.
5. The Republican leadership plays defense for Bush, no matter how flagrant the Bush over-reach, no matter how damaging the administration's actions to America's reputation and to the Constitution. A few 'mavericks' like Hagel or Specter risk the inevitable rightwing backlash and meekly suggest that the president should obey the law. John McCain, always the Bush apologist when it really comes down to it, minimizes the scandal.
6. Left-leaning bloggers and online activists go ballistic, expressing their all-too-familiar combination of outrage at Bush and frustration that nothing ever seems to happen with these scandals. Several newspaper editorials echo these sentiments but quickly move on to other issues.
7. A few reliable Dems, Conyers, Boxer, et al, take a stand on principle, giving momentary hope to the progressive grassroots/netroots community. The rest of the Dem leadership is temporarily outraged (adding to that hope), but is chronically incapable of maintaining the sense of high indignation and focus required to reach critical mass and create a wholesale shift in public opinion. For example, just as this mother of all scandals hits Washington, Democrats are still putting out press releases on Iraq, ANWR and a range of other topics, diluting the story and signaling that they have little intention of following through. This allows Bush to use his three favorite weapons: time, America's political apathy, and make-believe 'journalists' who yuck it up with him and ask fluff questions at his frat-boy pressers.
8. Reporters and media outlets obfuscate and equivocate, pretending to ask tough questions but essentially pushing the same narratives they've developed and perfected over the past five years, namely, some variation of "Bush firm, Dems soft." A range of Bush-protecting tactics are put into play, one being to ask ridiculously misleading questions such as "Should Bush have the right to protect Americans or should he cave in to Democratic political pressure?" All the while, the right assaults the "liberal" media for daring to tell anything resembling the truth.
9. Polls will emerge with 'proof' that half the public agrees that Bush should have the right to "protect Americans against terrorists." Again, the issue will be framed to mask the true nature of the malfeasance. The media will use these polls to create a self-fulfilling loop and convince the public that it isn't that bad after all. The president breaks the law. Life goes on.
10. The story starts blending into a long string of administration scandals, and through skillful use of scandal fatigue, Bush weathers the storm and moves on, further demoralizing his opponents and cementing the press narrative about his 'resolve' and toughness. Congressional hearings might revive the issue momentarily, and bloggers will hammer away at it, but the initial hype is all the Democrat leadership and the media can muster, and anyway, it's never as juicy the second time around...
Rinse and repeat.
It's a battle of attrition that Bush and his team have mastered. Short of a major Dem initiative to alter the cycle, to throw a wrench into the system, to go after the media institutionally, this cycle will continue for the foreseeable future.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:24 PM
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7. Insert 9B
DU defeatists throw in the towel remarking "what difference would it make".


I'm tired of all this "story's fading / sky is falling" pessimism....
if we want to get Bush out of office.. we have to be more tenacious
and tireless than his attack dogs.. it's that simple
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:29 PM
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10. Fuckin' A. Defeatism is such an easy game to play.
That's because the object is to lose.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:54 PM
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17. Pessimism?? Hardly! I Rather Think It's Reality!
I can't even BEGIN to tell you how many petitions I've signed, how many letters I've written, how "active" I've been in my total outrage at what has been happening, and how vocal I remain about this insanity that we've had to endure!!

I STILL have my bumper stickers on my car from 2004 and refuse to remove them! And I add more when old ones fade in the hot Florida sun!!

I went to D.C. to March Against The War, and even THAT EVENT didn't get the "play" that it should have! Many here at DU were even upset about the speakers there, when in essence most of us there were actually "turned off" by many of those "agenda" speakers!! We were there to MARCH and show our disgust, but tell me, does anyone remember it or even recall just how HUGE that turn-out was??

I will still be an Anarchist but it's almost like spitting in the wind over and over again!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:03 PM
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20. I know...
but just imagine the alternative.

I'd rather go down fighting... as it seems you would too.
Actually... I'd rather WIN and perhaps Bush won't go down with one huge scandal.
Maybe it's more a death of a thousand cuts (hello NSA... it's metaphor)
There's just no time to get tired... or sad... we're gaining ground.
It's incremental.... but it IS progress. And it's ALL GOOD !!!!
REALLY GOOD.




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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:13 PM
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21. I'm Still Hangin In There...
Sorry I have to leave my PC for now! Having major work done in my house and THIS room is temporarily being used by my mother-in-law who lives with us.

She has Alzheimer's and needs to go to bed! Sorry, hate to leave!

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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:25 PM
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9. Then we deserve to lose in 2006 and beyond...
Please post this as a seperate thread...Deserve a serious discussion.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:34 PM
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11. WELCOME To DU! Your Observations Were Very Well Said & Your Depiction
of the facts overwhelmingly succinct! Isn't too uncanny just HOW this keeps happening over and over and over and over??

What is WRONG???? :shrug: :crazy:

Funny, I met 3 new neighbors today and each of them are Democrats, in a decidedly Repuke County. We ALL opined about this "farce" of Democracy that has been foisted upon us, but NONE of us knows what to do!!

Even KEITH gave little coverage to yet ANOTHER game of trickery! Flim-Flam, Flip-Flop and I get to SCREW you again, so says THE IDIOT!!!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:53 PM
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16. How do you know it's a decidedly Repuke county?
I'm just wondering. Do you have lots more registered Republicans or something?

I'm wondering how any of us knows this for a fact anymore.

I mean what if the number of Republicans in our midst has been greatly exaggerated?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:02 PM
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18. Cruella... Uh Katherine Harris Is My Representative!
If she got re-elected, it's a good bet it's "decidedly Repuke!" I've worked in far too many campaigns in this area and the "fact sheets" actually corroborate my statement!

It's either 5 to 1 or 6 to 1 Repuke! I "think" we only have ONE "D" Democratic elected official here! I've lived here for over 25 years and I think I've seen "up close and personal" the figures to back up what I'm saying.

The County?? Sarasota County in Florida! I'm sure there are some "stats" somewhere.

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 08:55 AM
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27. Thank Peter Daou for the observations....
Here's a link to the article: http://daoureport.salon.com/synopsis.aspx?synopsisId=a6da2e05-c808-4f7e-9ab2-3d2a01a82a15

(Salon is a membership site but I think you can get access by reading an ad.)
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:13 PM
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23. Bush firm, Dems soft
Tweety already did this tonight. Whore-dog that he is. The one thing that is not in the Salon piece above is how incredibly uncomfortable and like a lying dog Bush looks when he tries to justify this. He is shifting feet, has that stupid grin on his face, is whining, "Look, the 'merican people want me to protect them from terra', they know what I'm doing," he knows he's caught, but is going to try to pull it off anyway.

If we let them get away with this, then we deserve to have the country we are going to have.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:26 AM
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24. Blutodog:
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs and must include a link to the original source.

In the future, please insure your posts adhere to this standard.

TIA,

unhappycamper
DU Moderator
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 08:40 AM
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26. I remember when Salon dumped Gore....
It's a cute, witty lifestyle site. But I'll look elsewhere for serious issues.

PS: I think you need to shorten your excerpt. Copyright issues!
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:50 AM
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28. Excellent post
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 10:07 AM by Strawman
Welcome to DU! I agree and I don't understand why people are killing the messenger (you) here. It's not "defeatist" to say that whatever the hell it is that we're doing and our elected representatives are doing isn't working. It's called dealing with reality. How many times do we have to see the same shit happen before we demand real change? The only group we have any leverage over are Congressional Dems. They need the living shit scared out of them. One of them needs to go down in a primary before the others will really change. Lieberman would be a good choice. William Greider had a good article on this in The Nation recently (sorry no link, it's a print only article, unless you're a subscriber).

I liked this part:

"7. A few reliable Dems, Conyers, Boxer, et al, take a stand on principle, giving momentary hope to the progressive grassroots/netroots community. The rest of the Dem leadership is temporarily outraged (adding to that hope), but is chronically incapable of maintaining the sense of high indignation and focus required to reach critical mass and create a wholesale shift in public opinion."

Ain't that the fucking truth? Scandal breaks, progressive Dems are all over it, a few high profile centrist Dems jump on the bandwagon to get their faces on the evening news, then they move on to catch the next wave. Meanwhile these centrists Dems' supporters here on DU scold the rest of us with "I told you so's" when their hero comes out with a "strong statement" on the scandal. But all the hot air never amounts to shit with these moderate Dems. There's not enough follow through. Sometimes there is, like when Reid took the Senate into closed session over the pre-war intelligence investigation, but it's not often enough. Congressional Dems are the only ones who can break this cycle. They are the newsmakers, and they are the ones that can put this on the public agenda. We can hold their asses to the fire to make sure that happens.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:24 PM
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8. Not true. Shrum was pretty upset.
He just wasn't allowed to talk about it much.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:41 PM
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13. Pat Buchanan "argued" like a freshman high school student.
Tweety brought up that Shrub might use this eavesdropping to listen in on his political enemies. (Duh-uhhhhh!)

Pat started to wave that away, but Tweety said, "Look, I HEARD the tape of the call where Nixon says to his men, 'I want to hear what my opposing (democrat) candidates are saying'".

It doesn't get much clearer than that, that Nixon was using his eavesdropping for just the sort of purpose which was envisioned by those who insisted on requiring warrants for such things.

And Pat's response? As I said--highschooler: "Look, Johnson did it!"

Sheesh. THAT is the best that Mr. Great Scholar Pat Buchanan could come up with??

So Tweety's asserted that Nixon did it, and Pat shouts back that Johnson did it, and so Tweety says to Pat (after the veins in Pat's forehead had receded somewhat), "Okay, so it's all okay, then, you're saying..." And Pat said, "No! It's NOT okay!"

Buchanan just plain looked ridiculous.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:43 PM
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14. Yeah, who is this Rivkin asshole? I got sick of seeing that apologist!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 08:13 AM
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25. It appears Rivkin has got himself a career pushing the
puke talking points. He's everywhere saying the same thing. (Repeat it often enough and the people will think it's fact . . . NOT!)
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