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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:45 PM
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Bush's eavesdropping appropriate says 66% so far in NC online poll
http://www.wral.com/index.html

President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1432 Votes

Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 666 47%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 200 14%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 390 27%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 176 12%
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:46 PM
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1. Online poll. Usually a yawner. Not scientific. NT
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 05:47 PM by Silverhair
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:47 PM
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2. Done, but needs a lot of help.
President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1454 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 677 47%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 202 14%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 398 27%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 177 12%
Thanks for taking our survey
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:01 PM
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34. Looks like the poll was freeped. With 80K+ DUers, we can change it. NT
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:47 PM
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3. Well if an online poll says so
Who needs the courts to decide what is legal when we have online polls (sarcasm).
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:48 PM
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4. Could they have worded that question ANY worse???
Who WOULD be opposed to using SOME electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists? That isn't even CLOSE to being the issue here.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:56 PM
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32. "If President Bush's reasons for going to war....
....in Iraq were not true, would you:

A. Tell him to apologize and move on?"

B. Forgive him because Saddam was a bad man?"

C. Understand that it was others who lied to him?"

D. Throw him a party because he is such a swell guy?"


I love these non-biased types of polls...don't you?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:25 PM
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39. Their surveys are always worded badly
This is just the latest badly worded poll. It's not atypical of their style at all.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:48 PM
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5. done
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:48 PM
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6. Take a look at the leading statements as options in this poll...
You can skew your results to what you want them to be, if you phrase things just right.

Three of the four options suggest Bush is right to eavesdrop.

Fuck. Off.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:50 PM
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7. down to 46%. . . n/t
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:51 PM
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8. Done. n/t
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:51 PM
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9. What a fucked up poll!
What is with the THIRD response being a rebuke, but then back to support for Bush in the fourth? This poll as clearly written with a specific outcome in mind. PUSH PUSH PUSH.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:52 PM
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10. BS Question and BS answers..
Wiretapping suspected terrorists is a FISA court issue. The issue is that Bush bypassed FISA and the law to spy on Americans.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:52 PM
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11. Check out Mediamatters.org re: a similarly bad poll:
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:53 PM
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12. Done
President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1486 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 680 46%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 202 14%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 426 29%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 178 12%
Thanks for taking our survey
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:53 PM
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13. Done
President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1486 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 680 46%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 202 14%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 426 29%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 178 12%
Thanks for taking our survey
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:54 PM
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14. How about a poll asking if it would be alright if a Dem Pres wiretapped?
See if those asswipes there and HERE in Kansas would still approve.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:54 PM
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15. It appears to mis-state the issue. It's not that bush is eavesdropping ...
it's that bush broke the law by not getting a warrant for eavesdropping.
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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:03 PM
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16. Done
Eroding freedoms, no acceptable 30%
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:04 PM
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17. Done...
President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1534 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 690 45%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 204 13%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 458 30%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 182 12%
Thanks for taking our survey.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:06 PM
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18. Ha!
They way thats worded im surprised it's only 66% approving!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:13 PM
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19. The premise of the poll is B.S.
This is a totally misleading question

"President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?"

Bush has been criticized for putting him self above the law and trashing the Constitution, by electronically eavesdropping on Americans without getting judiciary oversight and approval. National Security has nothing to do with it, he could have received court approval after the fact, if he had just asked.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:16 PM
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20. Done. Results just now are
1579 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 700 44%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 209 13%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 484 31%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 186 12%
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:16 PM
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21. NO ONE is agsinst the government's ability to wiretap.. but w/constraints
The question MUST include the fact that he is breaking the law to get a fair reading.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:23 PM
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23. They should include a copy of the 4th amendment at the top
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 06:24 PM by bluerum
of the poll so folks can read it before thay take the poll.

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:23 PM
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22. Done...
President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1613 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 705 44%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 212 13%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 506 31%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 190 12%
Thanks for taking our survey.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:28 PM
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24. "eavesdropping on suspected terrorists" my ass.
But I hit the poll anyway.

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G Edward Cook Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:31 PM
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25. It's against the law!
Eavesdropping is against the law and no one is above the law. Impeach Bush.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:49 PM
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26. Done...terrible way to ask this ?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1713 Votes

Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 744 43%

I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 217 13%

Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 556 32%

The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 196 11%

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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:50 PM
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27. Thanks for helping!
That poll really irked me.
Thanks for the support!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:28 PM
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28. Freepers call it "eavesdropping."
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:41 PM
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30. Surveillance is to eavesdropping
as Abu Ghraib is to "fraternity pranks"
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:35 PM
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29. Done
President Bush has been criticized for using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists. What do you think about the efforts?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1858 Votes
Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives. 798 43%
I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight. 239 13%
Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms. 618 33%
The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping. 203 11%
Thanks for taking our survey.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:46 PM
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31. You believe the polls.. you deserve everything you get.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 08:26 PM
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33. The problem is NOT "using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terro
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 08:28 PM by pat_k
Arrrrggggghhhhhh! Another question that leaves out "warrantless monitoring in violation of laws that apply to -- and protect -- EVERY American."

Partial questions like this are pure propaganda in its most insidious form. We cannot let anyone get away with framing this as a debate over wiretapping per se.

The problem is NOT "using some electronic eavesdropping on suspected terrorists."

NO ONE objects to lawfully authorized monitoring carried out by law enforcement, as long as it is carried out with the checks and oversight that We the People, through our Representatives, have demanded through our laws. (Sure, you can object to the boundaries of the current law, and to challenge those boundaries, but that isn’t an objection to actions that are clearly within the bounds of the law as it stands.)

The merits of the program are IRRELEVANT. The problem is Bush's unilateral decision to violate our law.

Anyone that gets pulled into a discussion of the merits of the program -- whether or not it is useful -- is spreading THEIR propaganda.

The question is not whether the body politic would have approved such a program if they had been asked.

The question is whether Bush can be allowed to get away with making unilateral decisions to do things that We the People have explicitly prohibited.

He terrorized us with the most colossal bomb threat of all time: "a mushroom cloud in 45 minutes" -- an abuse of power that goes beyond any in our history.

Torture is prohibited under EXISTING LAW and he conspired with his cronies to break those laws with knowledge aforethought -- the White House memos outlining culpability of the executive in the offense, and the possible ways the law could be evaded, make thier intent crystal clear.

This is the last straw in a long chain of abuses. He must pay a price. We must demand his Impeachment. We must demand the Impeachment of his co-conspirator, Cheney.



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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:02 PM
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35. Done. I think WRAL became a Faux affiliate a couple of years ago. n/t
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:12 PM
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36. I thought it was "90%" - NO...when I originally answered it.
Times...and 'exit polls' change.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:12 PM
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37. An attempt to analyze the options
"Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives."
--> How can anybody choose this option unless one actually has confirmed that specific actions in question have saved lives?

"I think Bush is well-intentioned, but there should be more oversight."
--> This answer is actually okay because it doesn't matter whether or not Bush is "well-intentioned."

"Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms."
--> No comment necessary.

"The intelligence community isn't going far enough -- we need even more eavesdropping."
--> This answer looks irrelevant. All the other options are about Bush, but this one is about "the intelligence community." Also, this answer seems to assume that if there is more oversight then there cannot be more eavesdropping. What justification is there for such an assumption?

What would prevent someone from choosing three of the four answers? Isn't it possible for someone to say the following?

"Bush's operation is not acceptable and it is eroding our freedoms, but there should be even more eavesdropping, but all of the eavesdropping should be conducted with more oversight and also Bush is well-intentioned."
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:20 PM
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38. Are people paying attention?
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 10:21 PM by Boojatta
When people read the following words:

A) "Bush is doing what is appropriate and it's saving lives."

... do they interpret those words to mean the following?

B) "If what Bush is doing is saving lives, then it might be an appropriate thing to be doing."
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:41 PM
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40. 34 - not acceptable atm
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 12:25 AM
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41. done
lost cause
1006-802
Morons prevail. God help us.
:banghead:
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NancyG Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 12:54 AM
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42. done nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:15 AM
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43. who are these cretins
and why do they hate Murka?
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