Big Eddie Shultz is going to hammer Murtha again today!

[MadisonProgressive]

I heard the promo for today - "Today we'll have a mother who lost a son in Iraq. We'll ask her what she thinks about what John Murtha said"

This guy is going to self-destruct and lose his entire audience. I'm emailing him today to tell him he's lost me as a listener and unless I hear (though the grapevine) that he's changed his mind and apologized, I'll never listen again!

DU his poll on this: http://www.bigeddieradio.com/index.asp

[Richardo]

1. What did Murtha say?

I'm lost.

[MadisonProgressive]

6. He was asked whether he would join the military

as things are today. He said 'no'. Then the reporter asked him if people considering joining the military are justified in declining to serve. He said "yes".

Seems like well thought out and honest answers, but Big Eddie thinks Murtha is being unpatriotic or something. He was bashing him bigtime yesterday and apparently will continue today.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

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[MadisonProgressive]

14. And of course they are justified in declining service

it's a volunteer military!

[butterfly77]

95. I BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT BECAUSE MURTHA...

CARRIES SO MUCH CLOUT THAT PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO HIM AND BECOME AFRAID TO JOIN THE ARMY AND WE WON'T HAVE A MILITARY FORCE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I BELIEVE IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY WE ALL WOULD FIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS, WHO IS THE SO CALLED COMMANDER AND CHIEF, NO ONE IS GOING TO FOLLOW SOME ONE WHO DOSEN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING AND IS ARROGANT, AND IS DESTROYING THE STRUCTURE OF THE MILITARY AND THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE HE THINKS HE'S A DICATATOR AND EVERYONE IS GOING TO DO WHAT HE TELLS THEM TO DO.

[dansolo]

213. What part of "volunteer army" does big Eddie not understand?

Why does anyone need justification to not serve? I thought we had an all-volunteer army. I don't see big Eddie criticising the college Republicans for declining to serve.

[FreedomAngel82]

144. Go see the video at

crooksandliars.com

[unhappycamper]

2. I heard the show yesterday and was very disappointed.

I sent the following email this morning:

Hi Ed -

I'm disappointed in your stance on the Murtha comments about not joining the military.

Having spent two tours of duty in Viet Nam, I completely agree with Rep. Murtha about not joining in these times. To be used, abused, and damaged for dubious causes is not patriotic. Our soldiers are not fighting for our freedoms and way of life; they are fighting as mercenaries to preserve corporate profits.

Let's face it, both the Viet Nam and Iraq wars were started on lies. There are 58,264 names carved on the Viet Nam Wall. As I write this, there are 2,182 soldier deaths attributable to the Iraq war. For what?

We, the people, can end this war in one of two ways:
1. cut off the money
2. cut off the supply of cannon fodder

The spineless Republican-led Congress will never cut off the money to their cronies and friends, which means we are left with one option. And that is the only option that We, the People have. Mr. Murtha is the only congressperson with the cajones to publicly state the obvious.

Keep up the good work on military and Veteran's benefits. Our men and women in service have paid a heavy price and deserve our continued support.

xxxx
Boston, MA

p.s. You can perfom another service for our men and women in harm's way. How about a show or two on delpeted uranium poisioning?


on edit: to correct my Engrish

[Benhurst]

13. Great letter, unhappycamper.

:applause:

Big Eddie is painting himself into a corner as a chicken hawk.

The use of depleted uranium is a war crime and is poisoning our people and the Iraqi people the Bush Crime Family is pretending to help.

[Sparkman]

46. THis is where the rubber meets the road...Dems have to choose, again.

Supporting the bastardized war in Vietnam was easy for those with jobs in defense plants, and those leading troops. But for the grunts and the peaceniks and their families, WAR IS LITERALLY HELL ON EARTH. thank you for 1) your service in the war, unconditionally. 2) your street smarts here.

[Mad_Dem_X]

56. Excellent letter!

People like this make me sick - attacking vets like they do. They should be ashamed of themselves and their "never question the (Republican) government" attitude.

[Lorien]

65. Excellent letter

Clear, concise, says it all. :thumbsup:

[LincolnMcGrath]

73. EXCELLENT LETTER

:yourock:

[wryter2000]

75. Well done!

:applause:

[jonnyblitz]

133. thanks for mentioning DU (depleted uranium) in your letter

I was in Desert Storm so that one hits close to home. :thumbsup:

[benburch]

3. I am now SO glad that I do not archive him.

Fuck you Eddie.

[Mika]

12. Yeah!!11!!

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[Sparkman]

47. Eddie, you are a Fascist in training.

[guidod]

164. No he's not...

He's just one person that has a different stance on one subject that happens to differ from yours. Why do you close your mind like so many repukes do? If we become them, we lose.

[Sparkman]

169. Murtha's advising RECRUITs about a war 4 OIL, about war profiteers...

and in a DEMOCRACY that's Murtha's job, to ADVISE & CONSENT. Fascists side with corporate interest over the national interest. Fascists loathe an informed and robust ELECTORATE & a citizen military. Fascists prefer a "professional" military that will march against domestic citizens or ignore war crimes abroad.
The U.S. military has already killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, for oil and now for 12 PERMANENT U.S. MILITARY BASES IN IRAQ.
ANYBODY who would deny FULLY INFORMING recruits, boys & girls from our schools, our impoverished neighborhoods is no friend to freedom loving, democracy loving people.
Sorry, but Fascism relys upon propaganda of the type that blinds the populice to war crimes, economic fraud to benefit war profiteers and Herr Shultz wants Murtha to just shut up. If Shultz is changing his story after a week, that's because he now sees we're right to criticize him, but he works for politicians as does Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Riely, rather than for a free press free from corporate dominance.
Ever hear of Pacifica Radio? National radio network of non-profit stations that voice the opposite message of Ed Shultz & his corporate lackies.

[guidod]

173. You need to take a pill and

calm down. I agree with Murtha and what he said. I also agree that Schultz was completely wrong and he hasn't changed his mind. But, I also think that Schultz has the right, in a true democracy, to express his feelings and thoughts. I think, over all, Schultz does a good job expressing the feelings and thoughts of most democrats. He does a great job with unions and veterans and tries to speak for the entire party. Remember the democratic party needs a voice that will connect with all people. He does a better job at bringing more people under the democratic umbrella than anybody from AAR.

You are taking the position of the direct opposite of the radical right, I call it the radical left. I respect your thoughts and views, and believe in most all of them, but if we want this Country to go to the left and stop all the murdering that's going on right now we will have to do it in a slow but purposeful way. If we are to radical I can guarantee that we will lose.

Keep the faith.

[Sparkman]

174. "CALM DOWN"? I just may be a radical, relative to the critics of reality..

and the reality right here, for all to see, is that tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi and Afghani civilians have been KILLED because of a "calm" atmosphere that suppressed the myriad of anti-war activists in politics at the critical run up to the wars. That is the price of "calmness". So please, you can say your piece, but leave truth to land where it may, whether moderate or radical in it's nature.
There have been so many radical truths and movements in history, that brought the complacent to awareness and justice, that defending the truth here on DU is not only expected but delivered.
Herr Shultz defends a more radical position than our topic, that is the abolition and abdication of congresses charge, to inform the whole electorate and enable us to participate in democracy, not sugar coat or homogenize truth.

[The Gunslinger]

178. Eddie is the closed minded righty in disguise, not me

[LizW]

4. When was Schultz's military service? n/t

[MadisonProgressive]

9. He served when he was around 6 years old

in the toy soldier brigade.

[guidod]

163. When was yours?

And what does your comment have to do with what Ed Schultz said. Do you have to have been a member of the military in order to have an opinion?

[rooboy]

5. Anyone who calls himself "Big Ed" should be ignored anyway. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

70. So what are you saying?

The OP for instance? That seems a bit rude.

[nicknameless]

143. I refer to him as "Little Eddie" :)

I think his blustery Murtha comments might be due to the fact that Armed Services Radio carries his show now.
Maybe he doesn't want to sound like he's making them wrong for enlisting.

I generally avoid listening to him. ("Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." ;) )

[bunkerbuster1]

7. I caught some of Big Ed's schtick yesterday

yeah, he's being real helpful, here. Way to go, Ed.

Let's splinter into the People's Front of Judea vs. the Judean People's Front once again. Onward to non-victory in '06!

[mattomjoe]

10. I disagree with Shultz but I do think he has good intentions behind

his position. I don't see this as waffling over the war in Iraq, only a difference on the best tactics to use to oppose it.

[MadisonProgressive]

17. Could you please explain his good intentions?

[mattomjoe]

23. I'm guessing he doesn't want the miltary to suffer because of this war.

I figure his position is one of the "don't throw the baby out with the bath water" variety.

[MadisonProgressive]

28. And how does his position accomplish that?

[mattomjoe]

31. ?????

Despite the fact that we have our troops fighting in an unjust war, we still need people in our military do we not? There are occassions when their deployment is justified. And in order to have a strong military for those occassions, we need to have people in it. It seems reasonable to want to oppose the military occupation in Iraq without further weakening the military for when we really need it. I tend to disagree with him on this, but I do understand his position.

[MadisonProgressive]

36. The military will rebound as soon as people think they

are not going to be treated poorly. If we don't get this wr to end and get rid of this administration, the recruitment numbers will keep plummeting.

[mattomjoe]

37. And I would agree with you on that. I just see this as a debate over

which tactics are best to accomplish a common goal.

[FreedomAngel82]

146. So telling a decorated marine to shut up is the way to go?

I don't think so. I wouldn't even tell John McCain to shut up. Nobody should be told to shut up but especially someone like Murtha who damn well knows what he's talking about.

[wryter2000]

77. What you say is true

But how can you ask anyone to sign up when you know they stand an excellent chance of being sent to Iraq for 2 or 3 or more tours? If anyone but a 23 year Marine veteran had said what Murtha said, I can see how someone might pick at it. Murtha has the bona fides to say whatever he wants on military affairs. He's not only a vet but an expert and a huge supporter of our military and their families.

Why give * more toy soldiers to kill in his war?

[mattomjoe]

87. I don't disagree with anything you said. BUT, aren't Murtha's comments

kinda preaching to the choir? If someone is of age to join the military, but opposes the war, do you think they need someone telling them not to enlist? I would certainly hope not. The same could be said for those who support the war -- if they still support the war at this point, it's unlikely that someone like Murtha is going to change their mind about enlisting. The only thing that would change their minds is the reality slapping them in the face the moment they arrive in Iraq.

[MadisonProgressive]

123. He NEVER told anyone NOT to enlist

[FreedomAngel82]

147. Exactly

Murtha was asked if HE HIMSELF would ever join the military again today with what's going on now and HE said HE wouldn't join.

[mattomjoe]

160. You're right, my bad.

It doesn't take much to read between the lines of what he said, though.

[guidod]

166. Well said mattomjoe

Thank you.

[ProudDad]

209. They don't have to suffer

They just need to drop their weapons and walk away from this bullshit war and all bullshit wars.

If there were no cannon fodder there would be no war. That will be the final solution to this endless cycle of exploitation of the less well off by the rich bastards who profit from war and conflict!

We MUST withdraw our obedience and participation in this bullshit system or wars and exploitation will continue forever!

I think the real heroes are those who refuse to "serve"! The others are accomplices and get no sympathy from me.

The REAL "Best and Brightest" of our people are those who don't offer their bodies and souls for the brutal, stupid purpose of war not those who participate in the butchery.

[reprehensor]

11. I'm with you on that.

What a schmuck.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. I'm having a problem with his Dem bashing as a whole

If he's going to bash Dems, he should just make a quick generic comment and move on. Now he's spending two consecutive days bringing light of it! There are plenty of issues that he can find to maximize and PROMOTE Democrats instead of this. And if he can't help himself, state his opinion and drop it. :grr:

He bashes Howard Dean on a regular basis, too! Not to mention Kerry and Hillary (though he claims he's a supporter of hers).

Let it go, Big Ed! Let's talk about Bush and the Republicans...

[Canuckistanian]

22. Agreed. The circular firing squad needs to be stopped.

That's just what the Republicans will tap into for their election sloganeering.

After all, portraying the left as a movement in diaarray is partially what lost the Democrats last election.

[mopinko]

67. they stole the last election, and traitors SHOULD be shot.

schultz is an imposter, as phoney as o'reilly. he makes me :puke:

[FreedomAngel82]

149. Okay that's too far

"Traitors should be shot"? Rightwing talk to me. Excuse me while I barf. How disgusting of you. I may really despise what he said but that's just reichwing.

[mopinko]

155. i meant it metaphorically, of course.

in reference to the oft-bemoaned circular firing squad. i think chasing traitors out of the party is a good thing. i think the only problem is that it has been the good, progressive dems that are on the business end of most of these firing squads. we need to turn the guns on the phonies, pink tutus, and corporate whores in our party.
no real bloodshed intended.

[FreedomAngel82]

148. Which is strange

I wonder if he'd bash Warner and Clark too. :shrug: Hasn't he bashed all mainstream out there democrats? I know he has Kerry, Dean and apparently Clinton too.

[guidod]

167. I wouldn't call it dem bashing at all

He's trying to open a debate. I think you're taking what he says wrong.

[reprehensor]

16. Poll on his front page about this.

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/index.asp

[Richardo]

18. Hey rep!

:hi:

[reprehensor]

21. Word, my brotha.

How goes the Southern offensive?

[MadisonProgressive]

19. I just voted - 55% think Shultz is WRONG

[Cha]

63. Thanks for reminding me to vote..

It's now..

Big Eddie is wrong on this one
(73.8%)

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. Thanks! voted and kicked :)

[IChing]

24. you should make this poll it's own thread...voted n/t

65% wrong

[Canuckistanian]

25. 63% now

Keep this going!

[liberalnurse]

29. Let's keep this Big Eddie

vote kicked up!

[unhappycamper]

42. It appears many disagree with Eddie on this issue:

I agree with Big Eddie
(19.7%)

Big Eddie is wrong on this one
(71.3%)

I'm torn on the issue and can't decide
(9.0%)


It's unfortunate they don't give vote totals.

[progressoid]

69. 74.3% say Ed's wrong on this one!

[thebigidea]

26. obviously he got a reaction yesterday

so he'll mine this territority a little further, then chortle over the flood of emails. Probably thinks he's pissing off the "right" people, and any contraversy means more listeners.

[mattomjoe]

27. Is anyone else in the media covering the Murtha comments?

Or are they all too busy fucking up their coverage of the mine explosion?

[Saturday]

32. 69.9%

now say he's wrong on the poll.

[joeprogressive]

30. Flood the show with calls today and let Big Ed know he is finished

n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Another possibility might be to ignore the show

at least until he drops it.

One thing I'm wondering about is why he is giving this so much play! :shrug: He's fully aware that his show is being aired on AFR now...so why would he want to be putting this particular wedgepoint at the doorstep of soldiers and families serving abroad? Not a good strategy, IMO.

[mattomjoe]

35. But don't you think the kind of dialogue on the Schultz show would be

a little more, uh, even than the one they might hear on Limbaugh? Cuz, I can't imagine that he's NOT going to talk about it.

[Norquist Nemesis]

39. Can you explain a little?

Are you referring to Schultz talking about Murtha or Limbaugh talking about it?

I don't listen to Limbaugh. (period emphasized)

My point is not about Schultz making his opinion known, but that he has yet to drop the topic. And as long as he's getting calls and emails about it, he's going to continue talking about it. So, unless he wants to get Murtha on and discuss it directly so he can defend himself...Ed Schultz' endlessly highlighting it in such a way as to state "he's gone too far" and the Murtha's undermining the troops is, to quote Rumsfeld, "Unhelpful."

[mattomjoe]

41. I'm not aware of how long he has been talking about this Murtha comment.

All I know is I caught a few minutes of his show yesterday and he had a former vet on who disagreed with him. They were both very polite to each other. Schultz didn't try to shout him down like he does with some of the neocons that call in. And, honestly, I'm not that big a fan of Schultz, but I just don't see what all this fuss is about.

[MadisonProgressive]

34. Big Eddie is going down!

I agree with Big Eddie
(20.8%)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Big Eddie is wrong on this one
(70.4%)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm torn on the issue and can't decide
(8.8%)

[joeprogressive]

38. We should contact these people also:

To contact the show's producer:
[e-mail]
701-200-9134

To contact the National Program Manager:
[e-mail]
701-237-5346 ext. 2235

[tishaLA]

40. He suggested Murtha made the comments

because he's a drunk for god's sake. I'd even accept that he disagrees with Murtha just because he's a Lieberman "Democrat," but not when he engages in the same kinds of ad hominem attacks against Murtha as Hannity does against Sen. Kennedy.

[stevedeshazer]

51. Excuse me?

Where did he accuse Murtha of being "a drunk"?

It's one thing to go after Schultz because he's wrong on the issue, but you're accusing him of calling Murtha a drunk?

[tishaLA]

57. Yes he did it.

Listen to it. It's posted on his site. link

Here's my transcript of it. It may have a couple errors because I did it quickly, but it is largely correct.

"I go back to what the President was talking about when he was overseas. He took a shot at Murtha and...Ya see, I think Murtha likes to have a couple a cool ones every now and then. And the President took a left handed shot at him by saying 'The decision to remove troops from Iraq should be done with 'sober judgment.' Whoa! I thought it was a nasty shot actually. Where did he come up with the phrase 'sober judgment'? So we make a couple a phone calls to some people in Washington and they say 'Yeah, that's kinda what we were thinking, too."

If you wonder about the meaning, listen with your own ears. It's disgusting to tar someone like that. "We made a couple phone calls" indeed.

[stevedeshazer]

59. I had no idea

That's really f***ed up. Thanks for that link, I would not have believed it otherwise. :(

[bkcc]

64. Everyone who's posting here should listen to the clip.

I seriously think that half the people in this discussion are flipping out over hearsay. I'm not saying Ed Schultz is right, but at least listen to it firsthand and decide for yourself.

Big Eddie really opened up Pandora's Box with this one.

[ieoeja]

102. I just listened.

"'Would you join the military today?' he was asked in an interview taped on Friday.

"Murtha said, "no!" Instead of saying, "well it depends on the individual'"...

(snip)

"No. No-no-no-no-no-no, hold on. You can't slice this, 'yeah, but, Ed, in the interview what he really meant...' No, don't give me a defining paragraph here. There are absolutes. I will never endorse any military ... I will never endorse any elected official who says it's not right to go into the military."


So Murtha was asked, "would you join the military today?" And Murtha replied, "no". Then Ed Schultz goes on to deride Murtha for saying, "it's not right to go into the military."

There is a difference between "I would not join the military today" and "it's not right to go into the military". There is a one word definition for that difference. And that word is ...

"Spin"

[AX10]

85. I'll listen for myself

..

[PassingFair]

129. He said it, AX...

I was sitting in the parking lot at Kroger's after work. Made me wanna throw up.
I have excused a LOT of spewage from "Big Eddie", because most of it stems from his ignorance of the facts. This was inexcusable.

[madfloridian]

139. Ok, he is officially a bastard. Shame on him..

Thanks for the link.

[Norquist Nemesis]

60. Actually, what he told the audience was that Bush took a shot

at him with the "sober judgement" comment. He was positing that Bush was poking a stick. However, he then followed it up with gossip giving support to the drinking reference.

Frankly, that never occurred to me...until Ed made the comment. Members at his board are taking him to task over the Murtha thing. http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=7476

Here's a good post about the drinking comment: (post #19)

"I think, with due respect to Ed Schultz, he was not referring to a potential drinking problem on the part of Murtha, but to Bush possibly implying there was one. If the president is using such a tactic, then shame on him -- considering his personal history. I find it interesting that veterans in this thread who have served are agreeing with Murtha, and disagreeing with Ed.


What Ed said in remarking on Bush's comment was, "I think Murtha likes to down a couple (or drink a couple, or something like that)." Ed then said that in talking with others in Washington they felt that too. Ed is directly spreading this gossip himself, with no substantial evidence to back it up. THAT IS GOSSIP, and in my opinion serves no purpose other than to make Murtha look worse. Why would Ed do that? "

[radio4progressives]

109. Schultz implied that Murtha was Drunk by quoting the Chimp...

Schultz quoted a statement made by Bush when he said (paraphrasing)something about people needing take a "sober" view of the Iraq situtation. You'll need to listen to the clip, because i didn't write down the exact quote - but Schultz clearly gave Bush CREDIT for those remarks, in his tone, implication and SELECTIVE AMPLIFICATION of this NON-ISSUE.


My Rant:

The question DU members need to ask is why Schultz was given the AAR platform to luanch his own network.

I really don't get that at all.

Apparentlly, according to an interview Brian Lamb had with Randi Rhodes broadcast on C-Span, this radio business worked out with AAR, is that Congress Members were solicited for financial donations to support and bid for certain programs.. I think that's just sickening - This happened at a Brunch at one of the Senator private residence, i think it was Senator Landreau's - anyway, Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes were in attendence, and each of them gave their little spiel and the Senators and Congress members would donate to one or both of the two to get their programs launched on AAR.

Now if that isn't the definition of politically paid programming i don't what is. One can argue, that Dems needed to have this for years.. to counter the repukes who the whole dial just about -- that's understandable -

but i think the whole thing stinks and all of it should be illegal, or it should be made to be included with the Legal ID at the top of each hour - and the beginning of each program. That "support for this program was made possible by contributions from the Democratic Leadership Council"..

DISCLOSURE.


End Rant.

edited to clean up a few grammatical errors..

[AntiCoup2K4]

61. From every picture I've seen of Schultz....and the few seconds I can stand

....listening to him, I'd say he better not be referring to anyone else as a "drunk".

[madfloridian]

138. The old "drunk" meme that one group tries on Dean.

You know the David Swanson PDA article "Is Dean Drunk."

That is getting old.

I don't like Ed. No one should call themselves Big Eddie...kind of arrogant.

[MadisonProgressive]

43. Can we get this on the greatest page? The poll is starting to be FREEPED!

[MadisonProgressive]

44. kick

[Sparkman]

45. Advise & consent is dead...Let the grunts blindly kill for U.S. Oil busine

I thought so...elitists in both corporate political parties would prefer uninformed and blind allegiance to the U.S. military!! THIS IS NO LONGER A dEMOCRACY, but fits the Fascism stereotypical government, until those outside the political parties provided for by corporate Amerika figure out a way to regain access to the political process. Sound too radical for your taste? They YOU too would have our troops BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE WHIM OF THE LOBBIED POLITICIANS, and the whim of the WAR PROFITEERS, and the whim of the BIG OIL COMPANIES. Why else are there twelve PERMANENT MILITARY BASES IN IRAQ?!
This DU is a great place for us "radicals" from the old democratic party of the 60's, to watch the process and wonder if anything will change in 2006. Can we all bleet together...

[NoPasaran]

48. Voted and rec'd

:dem:

[texpatriot2004]

49. You are wrong Ed. n.t

[Sparkman]

50. Recruitment is WAY DOWN, Herr Shultz, America has spoken!

[Sparkman]

52. Herr Shultz, Iraq is in a state of CIVIL WAR, you failed to mention this.

[Sparkman]

53. Herr Shultz, TENS of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqis killed by the U.S.!

[Sparkman]

54. Herr Shultz, have you heard IRAQ WAR IS FOR OIL!! Blood 4 Oil, OK with U?

[madfloridian]

55. Big Ed Show is owned by the guy who started Clear Channel...

and was known for colorful stunts and shenanigans. His name is Randy Michaels. They are using their listeners, and they don't care if they are mad or not...as long as they get attention.

[radio4progressives]

117. That's Gravy, MF . Ed Schultz was bought and paid for by the DLC

source: Randi Rhodes (admits this in so many words) in an interview with Brian Lamb, and broadcast on C-span a few weeks ago.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

[madfloridian]

140. Democracy Radio died, he was sold to Randy Michaels.

However, he does present their version...I agree.

[bkcc]

58. I doubt this is the end of Ed Schultz.

I totally disagree with his stance on Murtha, as do many others, but this won't be the end of him and his show.

That said, I was truly surprised to hear him discussing this yesterday. I had thought he was a little more open-minded than this shows him to be.

[Frank Cannon]

62. Here is the message I sent to Ed

Ed, I've been a fan of yours since I first heard you on on (our local "left radio" station). You were like a breath of fresh air then. And although I haven't ALWAYS agreed with everything you've said, I've at least tended to think that your heart was in the right place.

But yesterday you lost me as a listener. Your bashing of John Murtha is just entirely uncalled for. It's simply unconscionable. It's just appalling.

John Murtha knows more about what's going on the ground in Iraq than most of us do--YOU in particular. He speaks the absolute truth by saying kids shouldn't enlist right now. And why in the heck should they? To serve as cannon fodder for George Bush's dubious war? To provide extra profits for the body bag industry? Have you taken ABSOLUTE leave of your senses?

And now I've heard that you plan to spend today's show bashing Mr. Murtha AGAIN! Did you have a stroke or something while you were on vacation?

I'm sorry, Ed, but that's it. I think you've gone completely nuts. There are enough whack-jobs on talk radio today without my having to suffer through another one.

[PassingFair]

120. Here's mine:

Dear Wendy:

Please let "Big Eddie" know I totally disagree with him concerning his stance on Jack Murtha's comments. I would discourage ANYONE from joining the armed services at this time, under this administration, which has proved itself to have MISUSED the valor and courage and sacrifice of our people.

They LIED about the reasons for going in, they have threatened and KILLED journalists who attempt to report truths in Iraq. When the full story of Fallujah is known, we will WEEP for our ignorance and approval of this war. Our troops are experiencing UNPRECEDENTED cases of Post-Traumatic Stress, and wounded troops are coming home to NO JOBS and financial serfdom. Ed would be no better than a accessory to MURDER to encourage young people to join the services at this time.

We must refuse to provide fodder for fascist policies.

Sincerely,

[Miss Chybil]

66. Ed Schultz has a Poll on his home page about Murtha...

Do you agree with Ed, or is he wrong in his opinion of what Murtha said?

http://www.wegoted.com/

[Arugula Latte]

90. Ha ha ha!

"Big Eddie" :puke: is getting his fat ass kicked!

[LittleClarkie]

68. One of them over at the Big Eddie messageboard

told him to get his head out of his ass.

I'll report what I see over there today.

Yikes!

He really is Hillary-like isn't he.

[kiteinthewind]

71. My letter to the producer of his show!

I am completely appalled that Ed Schultz is attacking Jack Murtha. This man is a
HERO for standing up to this administration. BTW, he said he wouldn't encourage
anyone to join NOW, given the circumstances of this war and this administration,
not NEVER. Thank God he cares enough about potential recruits to warn them about
what is happening NOW. Good grief, tell Ed to get over himself. His listeners
are gonna bail on him if he doesn't apologize to the HONORABLE Jack Murtha.
:o

[LincolnMcGrath]

72. I agree with you.

I agree with Big Eddie
(17.4%)


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Big Eddie is wrong on this one
(74.7%)


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I'm torn on the issue and can't decide
(7.9%)

[K8-EEE]

79. Thank You So Much, And Everybody Let Him Know...

He was HORRIFYING ME yesterday, I thought I was listening to Rush!! I turned it off....he's an idiot.

[LincolnMcGrath]

83. I nearly folded the steering wheel into a potato chip shape driving home

listening yesterday. I finally turned it off. Man I HATE our local affiliate's programming.

[wryter2000]

74. 75.4% Big Eddie is wrong

I hope he's listening.

[BlueEyedSon]

76. Ed has always struck me as a Repub in Dem's clothing

[madfloridian]

78. Look at the owner's tactics...the Big Ed show owner. Shock jock type.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2348726

[K8-EEE]

80. "Supporting Troops" = Letting Bush Get Them Blown Up

for years and years for nothing but BushCo self-interest? I DON'T THINK SO!!!

[Joey Liberal]

81. Just voted! Fat Eddie isn't doing too well n.t

[THUNDER HANDS]

82. hey, redneck liberals are still rednecks

so don't take them seriously.

[QC]

113. And magic rats are still rats. n/t

[AX10]

84. This is quite disappointing.

Eddie does no good by critisizing our own. He should be OUR Rush Limbaugh. Eddie should be hacking the right wing, not hitting our own. I don't see Rush and Co attacking their own.

[Doctor_J]

86. Eddie's probably about ready to go to the dark side

He's been a waffler all along anyway. I'm sure GOP propaganda will be a big seller between now and the election, so he can flip and make some cash. When he does, maybe Chicago's left-of-center station can replace him with Randi, like they should have already.

[Griffy]

94. and lose his wife?? I dont think you thought this through...

unless his whole life story is a myth, his wife is the liberal that showed him the light. I believe he is a media force for us, sure he has opinions that i disagree with, but I'd rather people hear Ed than lintball!

[Doctor_J]

96. The WH has so many scandals in progress they can't keep their lies

straight. Anyone who's on the air bashing Murtha instead of helping get to the bottom of the treason that's been committed by the WH is a problem for our side (i. e. the side of truth).

[Griffy]

97. no matter what else they say? seems very "with us or against"

I think we want so bad to have our own talking points and lockstep soliders out there telling the truth we forget that we are the people that think for ourselves. Ed will make mistakes like all of us... give him a day or 2 to think this out, and to hear the debate out.

The media problem is huge... propaganda is rampant and insideous, Ed is part of the solution as I see it, but my mind is open, and the only constant is change!

[Doctor_J]

99. The way the RW got their dictatorship was by

hammering away at the same points hour after hour, day after day. That's the way we'll get the country back. Eddie's entitled to voice his opinions. But right now there are far more important things to talk about that whether Murtha the war hero should keep his motuh shut. ANyone who is spending air time bashing Murtha is not on our side. Period.

[Griffy]

108. So lets do things like them.. AND BECOME THEM ...?

you are still holding the us vs them, black and white, my way or the highway mindset.. PERIOD. You have closed of any opninion that even has a wiff of decent within the ranks of those that in most ways agree with you and the ideals of a free and just America... dont hate.. think!!

[FreedomAngel82]

150. So who told you that his wife is a liberal?

Him or his wife? How do you know he didn't make it up? I tried once listening to him and felt very weird listening to him. Like I was listening to rightwing radio and not because he sounds like Rush voice wise. And there is better progressive radio out there besides Ed. Stephanie Miller, Bernie Ward, Guy James, Lionel.

[Griffy]

159. as i said.. unless his book is a myth...

she worked with homeless... please, if you have no proof to even raise a question that he has misled us, dont make stuff up. I listen to all those people you listed as well as Al Franken, Thom Hartmann, Brad Friedman, Mike Malloy, Rhandi Rhodes as well as NPR. (I'm listening to voting discussion on Kojo Nnamdi right now)

Perhaps you have your propaganda filter on too high a setting?

I mean.. we dont even know if he is human or an alien... I mean I only have his word he was even born on this planet!!

So please.. try not to sound so crazy!

[Pharaoh]

88. I sent 92.1 yesterdays anti schultz thread

they are aware of this situation,

heres what they said.......

Paul,
Ouch. Ed certainly didn't help himself with the DU crowd yesterday. I won't defend a hosts opinions but as a programmer I will say that Ed Schultz is the strongest show I've heard when it comes to independent views.
Ed may epitomize the problems of the left. We're inclusive to a fault. As far as I can tell, the other side has two dominant flavors: lockstep or too afraid to speak up. We're willing to welcome in Ed for his social welfare and labor ideals (among other views) but he makes many uncomfortable when he talks about animal rights and his own idea of patriotism.

Brian Turany
Program Director
THE MIC 92.1
[phone] General
www.themic921.com

[MadisonProgressive]

89. My email to Ed Shultz's producer

I am very angry at what Ed is doing with this Murtha thing. He is laying right into the RW's hands. Many people I'm talking to think he's finally exposing his true colors. I for one will not ever listen to his show again, pending a course correction and apology (which I will have to hear through the grapevine because I won't be listening).

I always liked Ed and I think he could redeem himself, but if he chooses to continue with this approach, I'm sorry to say that he just lost a loyal listener.


My real name

[MadisonProgressive]

91. URGENT HELP!! The FREEPERS ARE BOTING!

[Griffy]

92. Ed is a force for us... I've been on his show!! would you rather Lintball?

You gotta see this from a little farther away... His show is rising in the rating, and reaching people with facts. Sure he makes mistakes and has positions I dont agree with, but he had several people on that disagreed with him. I listen as much, or more, to hear the callers.. THEY are the voice of America!! If you disagree with him.. CALL HIM .. put your thoughts together and get on the air!

This is a program that we should all be behind... not because you agree with ED, but because you agree with an open mike to millions of Americans! Imagine if he had lintballs 20 million listeners... we need to support people that live in reality and arent using GOP talking point everday to brainwash the public. Watch him on his TV appearances... he doesnt take the crap like many wussies Dems!

Lets see what he says today after he sees the poll and has had time to think... I have heard him change his mind more than once...

anyone calling to stop Ed is either a troll or misinformed about Big Eddie and the media problem we face!

[QC]

114. But he's IMPURE!!! IMPURE, I tells ya!

Only the pure may speak!

[radio4progressives]

131. This isn't about purity .. with your logic Rush Limbaugh is oky doky..

and should be welcomed into the "big tent"..

this is the kind of shite which illustrates a difference with such miniscule distinction between the Rush lintballs and the "big eddie's" so much of the time, i have to dig out a magnifying glass to see the difference.

He's a right winger, plain and simple and he's a Rush wanna be.

[QC]

135. And you have no logic at all, friend.

Frankly, I think talk radio is inane, so I'm no fan of Schultz or any of the others. I would rather go to the dentist than listen to someone rant for hours. But there is an audience whom Schultz can reach but the usual earnest "progressive" types cannot, people who are not going to sit and listen to a panel discussion on performance art in Nicaragua or a Marxist mime troupe in Berkeley.

You do want to form a winning coalition, don't you?

[Griffy]

158. your nuts if you think that.... IMO Ed NOTHING like rush

rush is part of the rightwing propaganda machine and echo chamber, read David Brock's book, (The republican noise machine). I listen everyday and I can tell you he is NOTHING like lintball. Lintball poisons the minds of Americans and tells them things like liberals hate America and Clinton also did warrantless wiretaps... this is the difference. Lintball misquotes Kerry and others, Ed has them on the show, and they even take questions from callers.

PLEASE.. see the difference between propaganda and opinion!

[AtomicKitten]

93. Listened the Schultz yesterday on this.

He calls himself a progressive. I think not. When I was listening, not one single caller agreed with him. Still he persisted. Unbelievable.

[zulchzulu]

98. Eddie must be a Taurus

He gets on a point like trashing Murtha and is too stubborn to back off. I understand his idea that Murtha only gives ammo to the Right with his statement...but then Ed makes what Murtha said TOO BIG an issue that only alerts the Right to use it against us...

Ed should move on...there is plenty of other stuff to talk about without trying to be the Kingpin of the Circular Firing Squad.

[AntiCoup2K4]

130. Why a Taurus? Because he's so full of Bull........

.....shit?

Just another spineless DLC-bot.

[radio4progressives]

132. exactly... anti-coup

just another dlc shill...

'enuf said...

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

100. I turned it off, cause it was more like listening to right wing radio. n/t

[patrioticliberal]

104. he's Rush's long lost brother

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

101. He, we, everyone needs to ID the real problem. ie what * has done to the

military.

How they're overstretched, undersupplied.

Misled about how long they have to deploy.

National guard called to duty overseas, and subject to the stop-loss program.

Ok, so who's the villain here? Murtha for telling it like it is?

* for making it like it is?????????

[MadisonProgressive]

103. Just turned him off for good!

The bastard came on stronger today than he did yesterday. He obviously pays no attention to his own polls or emails or his own message board. He wants to lose his constituancy, apparently...

[we can do it]

105. He Really Pissed Me Off - So I Sent Him This Email

Eddie - Stop pretending to be a liberal - you're just a draft dodging repug and its really starting to show - your service(or lack thereof) to this country can't hold a candle to Murtha's, Kerry's or Cleland's. Until you put your life on the line for your fellow citizens - shut your BIG MOUTH about those who have.
Sincerly, Pat (a retired firefighter)

[Rainscents]

106. Ed lost me as a listener as of yesterday... I was very angry at him

for trashing Murtha. I will NEVER, EVER listen to him again!

I called the number from above post and told her, Ed had lost me a listener permanent!

[radio4progressives]

110. I stopped trying to tolerate his right wing bullshit a while back

especially once he started trashing Howard Dean, that was it i had enough.

[madfloridian]

107. He told the DNC chairman to get his head out of his ass....

months ago. Some of us were outraged, but most did not pay attention or care.

We should have been outraged sooner, you know.

I think all of our radio hosts who are supposed to be on the left should at least do their research and be fair.

We should have all been this upset months ago.

[radio4progressives]

111. I didn't hear that comment, but trashing Dean in general..

I agree with MF...

when will DU start mobilizing serious media activism?

Right Wing Radio and Media will continue and we will NEVER get an honest airing of divergent view points on anything at all, much less have an honest shot at advancing forward on matters that concern MOST Americans.

Not so long as the Right Wingers, of both Parties control the Message Machine.

[Duer 157099]

112. Did you hear Malloy take Edd to the woodshed on this last night?

Wow, I was a bit shocked to hear Mike talk like that about Edd.

[radio4progressives]

115. No I missed it... But I'm GLAD to hear it...

Mike is generally spot on target...

[Duer 157099]

116. Mike didn't mince words at all

He called Edd a closet Republican, a disinformation agent (essentially). He railed on him hard!

[ieoeja]

118. It'd be one thing if Ed disagreed with what Murtha said.

But he had to spin what Murtha said into something else so he could disagree with that instead.

Murtha was asked, "would you join the military today?" He replied, "no". Then Ed Schultz goes on to deride Murtha for saying, "it's not right to go into the military."

Huge difference between "I would not join the military today" and "it's not right to join the military today". And the word for that difference is:

SPIN

[Duer 157099]

119. Well, the follow-up question was about

whether Murtha thought that the average guy out there who declined to serve was justified, and Murtha said "yes" -- so in one sense, Murtha did comment on the actions of others rather than just his own

[MadisonProgressive]

121. But he was only stating a fact

It's a volunteer military, so of course ANYONE would be justified in declining to serve. Basically the 2 things he said were rather inocuous and based on common sense and telling the truth. The point that Big Eddie is missing is that there is a difference between joining when you know you'll be sent to an illegal war to kill a lot of innocent people, and joining when the nation is TRULEY in danger.

[ieoeja]

122. They didn't have that in the link I heard from Edd.

And, of course, it's a rather weird question. Is a person not volunteering for service justified? I can see "would a person be justified in declining to serve if drafted". But the question you quote just doesn't make any sense.

I planned on a career in the Marine Corps. Even went through some OCS before deciding otherwise. Was I "justified" in making that decision back in 1981? Well, my justification was, "I don't feel like it", and since it was voluntary, that was all the justification I needed.

[Duer 157099]

134. I think I paraphrased the question pretty accurately

In fact, I was listening to AAR while I was making the post, ane that quote had just been played.

I'm fully on Murtha's side on this one, and think Edd is off base and I agree somewhat with Mike's rant, but then if I ranted like Mike did, I'd probably suffer a stroke. So I let Mike rant for me :-)

[FreedomAngel82]

152. Didn't he do that with Dean once?

Remember when Dean made his comment that the republican party was mostly white and Christian (which is true)? Didn't Ed go off on him with that? I can't remember but I think.

[radio4progressives]

128. Gotta listen to last night's archive - thanks! N/T

:applause:

[FreedomAngel82]

151. He's done it before

No shock. He's called Ed a phony before.

[LittleClarkie]

124. I heard the beginning of his show. The mom supports Murtha

So Ed scheduled her knowing she supported Murtha already.

I don't mind if Ed wants to have a dialogue. But he could disagree with Murtha without making it sound like the man is in his cups.

[radio4progressives]

125. K&R

:kick: :applause:

[mopinko]

126. the elite of our party speaks through ed.

that's who put him where he is, that's who tells him what to say.

[radio4progressives]

127. Ta! Da! Bingo!

:applause:

[bigwillq]

136. BIG ED is WRONG on this one!

Do you agree or disagree with Big Eddie’s take on Rep. Murtha’s comment from "Nightline" stating he would not join the U.S. military today?


I agree with Big Eddie
(14.7%)


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Big Eddie is wrong on this one
(73.9%)


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I'm torn on the issue and can't decide
(11.3%)

[ncteechur]

137. Ed is wrong on this one. Murtha has EARNED the right to say

any damn thing about the military and enlistment he wants. Ed has not earned that right so he should shut his mouth. I'm not sure if he completely lost me as a listener but I am disappointed in him.

[ieoeja]

157. I didn't know "freedom of speech" had to be earned.

I thought it was a given.

[BigYawn]

141. I enjoy Big Eddie the most on Air America...he is funny and

cheerful, optimistic, and has a life. I don't have
to agree with him 100% to be entertained on his show.

[Paulie]

142. He's not Air America

He's part of the Jones Radio Network.

Hopefully the AAR stations take a good look at him, and decide it's better to stick with just AAR...

I'm writing to the Chicago station now.

[guidod]

162. Sorry Paulie but I disasgree...

I understand that Ed Schultz is not a part of AAR but he does bring a lot of people to the station that they broadacst from. I doubt if most listeners care about who writes his pay check. I disagree 100% on the stance he took with Murtha, but that doesn't mean he should be pulled from the air waves of AAR. He makes a great case when he talks about how the dems should be more inclusive when it comes to swing voters and centrists. I also think that we should keep our door open for confused republicans. If we insist that AAR only speak to left progressive democrats I guarantee you that we will lose in 2006.

[FreedomAngel82]

145. Something that confuses me with this

Doesn't Ed supposivley support Cindy Sheehan? Has anyone asked him why he supports her and her mission? And isn't her mission the same as Murtha's and they saying the same thing(s)?

[madfloridian]

153. Good question... and another good question.

Why does he so irrationally go after Howard Dean? Why two good men like Murtha and Dean? But Cindy calls the Democrats chickenhawks, so maybe that is why.

[Sparkman]

161. Great observation, of a MAJOR contradiction (lie) by herr Shultz.

IF you support Cindy, how can you approve of your kid serving in Iraq now? Shultz is lying.

[LittleClarkie]

165. He says he has supported Murtha in the past and likely will again

he just didn't agree with Murtha's recent statement that people shouldn't join the military.

My only complaint was the apparent comment that Murtha was in his cups.

[madfloridian]

170. That is no excuse for saying he was drunk, or implying.

Sometime he is going to insult one person too many, and others will wake up.

Most here thought it was just fine when he told Dean to get his head out of his ass, and said he was not doing anything as party chair...no one here cared.

But Murtha made them mad.

Amazing, huh?

[LittleClarkie]

171. I doubt that. Most here don't even listen to Ed Schultz

Now if Randy or Mike said Dean needed to get his head out of his ass, you might get a reaction. Just sayin'

[flpoljunkie]

172. Too bad, though, Ed didn't take the opportunity to defend Murtha, a man

who gave an honest answer to the question, "Would he join the military now?" Ed could have said that Murtha obviously loves the military, has witnessed first hand the incredible suffering of our wounded and their families on his frequent visits to Walter Reed, and he does not like to see the military he loves being destroyed by the Bush administration. But after having to listened to Ed recently, I would say that thoughfulness, thinking before he speaks, is definitely not one of his attributes.

On the other hand, it was great hearing from Leon Panetta on the need for Dems to take the opportnity to clean up politics--both lobbying and campaign finance reform. Schultz also had Madeline Albright on. She talked about her meeting with Bush today, and she made some great points such as the meeting such have taken place years ago, and that the Iraq War was a war of choice, but that we must all deal with the consequences now.

Madeline told Ed to "keep up the good work." If Ed can get reach voters in the red states who are beginning to question Bush, more power to him. I do think that he is getting the message about Murtha. I certainly hope so, because Ed is wrong.

One other thing, Ed made a point a little while ago that he was in the business to sell ads and get people to listen to his show. Perhaps his way of saying he jumped the gun on attacking Murtha. Real presidents don't send soldiers to war just cause they want to, but when they have to--when our nation is in real peril--not the trumped up threat that sent our military to invade and occupy Iraq--just what Osama bin Laden ordered.

[womanofthehills]

154. When Randi was on the SPAN last week or so

she said she and Ed were offered the same deal and she turned it down because no one was going to tell her what to say - but Ed took the deal.

I had to turn him off both yesterday and today because he won't drop it and just goes on and on.
What a jerk. I have XM radio at home & need to get a car dock this week so I can listen to Randi during that timeslot while I'm in my car. I refuse to listen to him any more.

I have Sirius in my car and guess what Lynn Samuels said today? Michael Savage used to be one of her favorites but he is getting boring lately. One of her favorites HELP - OMG!!! Who are these so called "liberal" hosts. In the next breath she puts down Randi.
And Alex Bennett can't stop putting down Cindy Sheehan. He seems to hate woman in general.

[jonnyblitz]

185. lynn samuels used to like Michael Savage?

I used to listen to her in the 90's and i could have sworn she was somewhat of a liberal. i believe she was on the same station out of NYC as Rush is. I could be mistaken. i used to hear that asshole Curtis Sliwa also who i don't like..WABC maybe? I never listen to any talk radio anymore, left or right.

[madfloridian]

156. Remember Bubba the Love Sponge killing the wild boar on air?

Well, Randy Michaels, who owns Big Eddie's show, was accused in that suit. He was apparently demoted at Clear Channel not long after that, I believe. Though of us in the Tampa area remember the controversy about this which played out all over the news here. I rather doubt he will be too concerned about sensitivity from Democrats who support Murtha or Dean. I doubt it is even on his agenda. From 2002:

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2002/jul02/jul22/3_wed/news1wednesday.html

" Michaels' career has essentially been one long controversy, beginning with his days as the host of a Howard Stern-like program filled with sexual and bathroom humor.
In 1993, he was named as a defendant in a sexual harassment suit filed by Liz Richards, a former disc jockey at Jacor-owned WFLA in Tampa, Fla. Richards claimed that Michaels, then the station's vice president of programming, set example for his underlings by chasing female employees down the hall with a rubber penis.
Last year, Michaels was accused of being a party to animal cruelty after a jock at WXTB, another Jacor station in Tampa, broadcast the killing of a live boar from the station's parking lot."

[Beelzebud]

168. Ok. Is there anyone NOT conviced he's a phony, and not one uf us?

[Walt Starr]

175. I'm done with Ed Schultz

When he went off on Murtha, I switched to Randi.

I doubt if I will ever be able to go back to Big Ed after he dissed such a hero.

[trillian]

176. Oh, fortheluvofgawd.....

....talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!!

How much left wing radio is there in this country?

Answer: Very little.

There is none where I live....had to get Sirius to hear any left talk (and they lost Air America 2 weeks after I signed up......Arrghh!)

So what's the purpose of boycotting one of the few Lefty broadcasters because you disagree with one position he's taken? Do you want to go back to 100% RW Radio! What will that prove?

I often don't agree with Big Eddie....sometimes don't agree with other Lefty broadcasters either, but it's not going to stop me listening to them......if I do....the RW wins.

[The Gunslinger]

177. Good point but

What Ed Schultz is doing is not left wing radio. If he just gave his opinion and moved on to the criminal actions of the president, thats fine. He's spending ALL WEEK bashing Murtha, calling him a drunk, and taking what he said out of context. I first heard about Murtha's comments on Tues from Ed, and from what Ed was saying I thought Murtha got up and told the youth of America not to join the armed forces. Then I heard what Murtha said from this website, totally different from the spew Ed was spitting. It sounds like Ed is switching sides again.

Ed Schultz is not left wing radio.

[trillian]

179. Not left wing radio??????

Are you nuts!

He bashes, Bu$h and the GOP all the time. He has Dem leaders on.....people from Center for American Progress, etc. Whatthehell is your criteria for Left Wing Radio?

[The Gunslinger]

182. All I know is

If want to hear people like Murtha and Howard Dean get bashed, I'll listen to Rush. Oh yea thats what "Progressive" Big Eddie Schultz does.

At best he's centrist, and now that he's on Armed forces radio, I'll bet his rightward leaning will continue.

No I'm not nuts.

[radio4progressives]

205. I can compile a huge long list of genuine left radio, if you want..

but start with Thom Hartmann on AAR or on line if you can't pick it up locally.

if you would like other genuine Left radio programming, lemme know and I'll pull together a list for ya..

that way, you'll have something to compare schultz with and you'll see what we're talking about for yourself.. ;)

[guidod]

180. Nor is he right wing

radio. I think that he's in the middle where millions of Americans are that we want to pull into our side. If you only listen to the left maybe you're narrow minded as well. I lean to the left but I refuse to be close minded.

[The Gunslinger]

183. Its good to have an open mind but

That doesn't mean I'm gonna give Rush and Bill O'Riechly ratings just to expand my horizions. And When Big Progressive Bill spends an entire week bashing Murtha, I wont listen to him either.

[guidod]

192. I understand and agree with you

when it comes to the right wing media and the pukes you're talking about on Fux TV. However, 80% of Schult's audience disagreed with him when it came to Mertha. He was taken to the wood shed on that one and he knows it. You can hear it in his voice when somebody brings up the subject of Mertha. He covers a lot of different subjects, many of them have nothing to do with politics, which I think is very important for the democrats when they're trying to reel in people that are stuck in the middle. I'm much further left than him but, for me, he's a welcome voice when it comes to Unions and Veterans. My Senator, Boxer, speaks in high praise of him so that, in itself, is a stamp of approval for me.

We need people in the middle to speak for the democratic party. Enjoy your week-end.

[radio4progressives]

199. Schultz 's Job is to Dumb Down Amurka Left - make them Stoooopid

That's his is appointed mission - DUMB DOWN the LEFT.

He's a Right Winger attempting to pretend that he is a librul, and softening up the "left" for more right wing bullshit.

Anyone with a bit of gray matter between their ears should be able to figure that out in a matter of minutes - and that is IF anyone with gray matter between the ears can actually STAND to LISTEN to that horrible Rush Lintball sound a like voice.

It's like finger nails across the chalk board - totally UNLISTENABLE.

We need REAL, GENUNIE Left Radio and Schultz ain't it.

[radio4progressives]

200. Gunslinger is spot on. But holy shite, he's been bashing Murtha ALL WEEK?

Really?? ALL WEEK?? This WEEK??? Given everything that's going on, he's bashing Murtha???

for the luv of goddess!

[flpoljunkie]

190. Big Eddie will help more heartland voters to wake up to Bushworld.

That is worth a lot.

[madfloridian]

195. But he did a lot of damage to two good men.

Dean and Murtha. He influences a lot of people, and he should be careful about that. He told a lie about Dean's efforts for the party, and he misquoted Murtha for days.

[guidod]

196. What is A LOT of damage?

Dean's doing a great job, he's not "damaged". I haven't noticed that Murtha's "damaged" either. Another demmocratic firing squad, make a circle and put Schultz in the middle then "FIRE".

[madfloridian]

198. Schultz has a responsibility to tell the truth.

If he says something untrue or misquotes, or even lies...then he has a responsibility to correct it.

Don't tell me I am having a firing squad...do not go there. He is the radio talking head, and he lied about Dean and misquoted Murtha.

[guidod]

203. If you call someone a liar then

you have the responsibility to say why. All I've seen from your posts are name calling and accusations, nothing concrete or factual. A factual statement would be that Ed Schultz speaks very loud in support of Unions and their members. Or, Ed Schultz fights very hard for Veterans and works hard to ensure they have a solid future.

Ed Schultz doesn't screen his calls, why don't you call him tomorrow and tell HIM that he's a liar. Or better yet, ask him to correct his misquotes.

It's fine to disagree with someone or dislike someone, but when you call them a liar you should probably do it to their face.

[madfloridian]

204. Maybe you missed my posts in June and November of this year.

Sorry you did. Then you would understand that I have written the show several times, and had responses back that did not even address the issues.

If you don't like the word "lie", I will just say that several times...not just once....Big Eddie boy did not "tell the truth" about Dean's fundraising, he did not tell the truth about the fact Dean was traveling the country organizing. He did NOT tell the truth.

Then for days after when people would call in from the heartland, they would bash Dean with Big Eddie's blessing and help. He refused to listen, and his wife and his producer said he was not doing it.

I have a folder of emails that I wrote and received back, and my friends who wrote them shared theirs with me...and they are in my folder as well.

That is wrong. Dean's fundraising has been all over the place here at DU, bloggers are covering it well. His travels with the party have been as well.

I am sorry you DEMAND that I present you with facts, but I have done that many times here. You just happened to miss my posts. Sorry about that.

[guidod]

206. I don't demand anything...

As you can see from my profile I wasn't DUing DU in June and, obviously, didn't see your post in November. It's not that I don't like the word "lie" it's just that I don't like to see somebody get so beaten up by so many fellow dems without one of us making a stand for the guy and sharing some of the good qualities about Schultz. I stand with him on Unions, Veterans, health care and quite a few other subjects. I agree with you when you say that he wasn't very nice to Dean or Murtha. He stays on a subject to long and never does his homework. I don't listen when he talks about sports, hunting or eating crabs.

I think my favorite word is INCLUSIVE. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm not, but I think that's one word dems have to learn more about. I understand the anger with dems but I think we have to learn to include more shades gray. There's a large distance between Mike Maloy and Ed Schultz but I love them both.

[madfloridian]

207. I listen to most of the folks on AAR...

I like most of them. It is refreshing to hear the truth. It has been a long dry spell with nothing real on TV.

I don't always agree with any of them, but I don't let that keep me from listening. I think Franken is a little boring, but I admire him a lot. I usually listen to Thom Hartmann rather than him, because I usually like his approach.

I just think that when someone really does harm with their unfair rants that I won't listen anymore. They know they were unfair, their emails show it, though they were spinning.

It did harm to Dean among people who are not really into politics. That was the point I tried to make to them. Big Ed appeals to sports people and hunters, and a lot of them now think Howard Dean is bad for Democrats. That is not fair.

I have no patience with a host who, when presented by credible evidence from Media Matters, Business Week, and other sources showing they are wrong, and they still refuse to correct themselves. He told "untruths" about Dean's work with the DNC. Most here at DU did not care enough to write, and that was a shame. But when it did it to Murtha, that bothered folks. He has done no worse to Murtha than he did to Dean, but the difference is the posters here did not respond.

[guidod]

208. It's difficult for me when

all I hear is ranting and name calling. All I can think about is the dark side. The reason it seems like a dry spell is because we know that Gore should be in his second term right now. You're right when you say Franken is boring, he's not funny either but he has great guests. I listen to Hartmann as well, in fact I'm reading his book "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight" (just got started).

It took some pulling but I finally got your reason for calling Ed a liar out of you. You make a good case and it will force me to take a better look at him. Thank you.

Enjoy your weekend!

[radio4progressives]

201. How is he going to accomplish that by bashing Murtha, all week?

:shrug:

[Imagevision]

181. So Shultz is another flip-flopper - deal with it...!

[madfloridian]

184. "Deal with it"...those words are painful.

Democrats should never use them. Other such painful words are "get over it".

[funkybutt]

186. Is it just me or does he sound VERY similar to RUSH?

It really bugs me and I don't really care for his show. I've only caught it about twice and both times I didn't agree with him. Does he really call himself a progressive? That's really hard to believe.

I wish New Orleans could get Randi's show.

[madfloridian]

187. We don't get anyone here...have to get it on the internet.

Yes, he does sound like Rush. He really does. I love Randi.

How are you doing in recovering, and are you getting your home fixed up yet?

[funkybutt]

191. We're okay. Nothing is happening fast

It'll be a month before we can get our house shored. Then Roof, plumbing, electrical, cabinets....and finally WALLS!!

It's gonna be a long road but we're in it for the long haul.

I was on Jerry's show on the 3rd. I was on the Majority Report a few weeks back. I'll keep callin...keep people thinkin about us.

Thanks for askin'

:hi:

[madfloridian]

194. Sorry I missed your being on the MR.

People do tend to keep forgetting. Hang in there.

[OnionPatch]

188. I always hear people saying that but

I don't think they sound the same. Ed has a sort of southern accent. I know....he's up north, doesn't make sense, but he does have some sort of drawl that Rush doesn't.

The only thing that sounds the same to me is his loud, male voice.

[flpoljunkie]

189. Ed Schultz bio from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schultz

Ed Schultz
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Ed Schultz (born January 1954?) is the host of "The Ed Schultz Show", a progressive talk radio show promising "straight talk from the heartland" from a "gun-totin', red meat-eatin' liberal." He broadcasts from Fargo, North Dakota on a network of over 100 stations (as of October 2005), including eight of the 10 largest radio markets. He is also on XM and Sirius satellite radio; his show is often carried as part of a lineup that includes one or more Air America Radio shows.

Schultz was born in Virginia and moved to the Great Plains to play football on a scholarship from Moorhead State University, becoming the NCAA Division II passing champion in 1977. He played football for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers for a half-season, but never adjusted to the league's rugby-shaped football.

After his short football career ended, he went to work as a sportscaster in Fargo, a role he had for nearly fifteen years. In 1992, he began his talk radio career, and by 1996 his "News and Views" show grew into a regional broadcast dominating the North Dakota airwaves, with additional listeners in South Dakota, western Minnesota, Montana, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan. Schultz's political views leaned towards the right during the early years — Schultz told the Los Angeles Times that he "lined up with the Republicans because they were anti-tax, and I wanted to make a lot of money..." — but under the influence of his wife-to-be, Wendy, his views started changing in 1998, and he became a Democratic Party supporter in 2000.

Schultz launched "The Ed Schultz Show" on January 5, 2004, distributed by Jones Radio Network, with financial backing from Democracy Radio. The show started in two markets (Needles, California and Langdon, North Dakota), quickly signing another dozen stations in smaller, mostly upper Midwest markets. For a while, Schulz continued his "News and Views" broadcasts, though by February 2005 it was announced that Joel Heitkamp, a North Dakota state senator, was taking over that show. The Ed Schultz Show's shares owned by Democracy Radio were purchased by Product First in June of 2005, a company started by Randy Michaels and Stu Krane, who had previously been involved with launching Rush Limbaugh's radio show.

[OnionPatch]

193. From Virginia. That explains it.

Thanks!

[radio4progressives]

202. He's sounds close enough to Rush that it makes my insides wretch..

for the life of me, i cannot understand how anyone other than a right winger will listen to that shite...

[Cha]

197. Maybe big edhead should

read this Marines post on craig's list.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x69432


"I am in tears I am so frustrated. I wish you were still around, but I won't die like you. I won’t be some number on CNN's death 'o meter. I won’t contribute to this madness of telling the Wing we can do it when we are so far on our ass we can’t see the light of day. You Generals are fucking cowards. You know it’s broke, but you won’t say no will you. I did my part, and that's all I can do. Fuck you Marine Corps. I am not the only one that feels this way. Let's see where your retention is when the planes are so broke dick nobody can fly them, no matter how many rules you break to keep them up. Fuck You!"



http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/118782492.html

[guidod]

210. I e-mailed the Ed Schultz show

and this is what they sent me:



Ed Schultz does not receive any money from AFRN.

Ed Schultz had the highest rated talk show (20+ share) on a regional basis
for years out of KFGO in Fargo, ND.

KFGO is a Clear Channel station.

Ed asked Clear Channel to syndicate the regional show into a national show.

They said no. It would never work.

Ed went to Jones Radio Network and got them to syndicate a national show
through them.

Many months after The Ed Schultz Show was growing, Clear Channel decided
maybe our show was going to make it after.

Out of the 100 stations we are on, about 30 of them are on Clear Channel
stations.

Ed proved Clear Channel wrong.

Ed did not accept money from Clear Channel to spread their agenda.

It's all about good radio that produces good ratings and revenue.

The Ed Schultz Show is the highest rated progressive talk show in America.

According to Arbitron ratings, The Ed Schultz Show has 1.75+ listeners and
is ranked #11 of all the talk radio programs.

The only programs with more listeners than are show are all conservative
talkers (with the exception of Howard Stern).

We will be knocking the right wing talkers off their rankings one at a time.


The Ed Schultz Show was the first progressive talk show to become profitable
in November.

Our national advertising has been sold out about 3 months in advance since
last spring.

We will continue to grow in the market.

We're not going to worry about what other talker say about us, left or
right.

We know what we are doing and are grateful to all of our listeners and
advertisers.

Thanks for listening to the program.

Please spread the word.

Together we can make a difference!

Vern Thompson
Program Manager
The Ed Schultz Show
E-mail: [e-mail]

[QueenOfCalifornia]

211. He doesn't receive money but he gets...

Lots of air play... If you KNOW ANYTHING about radio, it's all about ratings.. ARBITRON makes or breaks on-air hosts.

Ed Schultz needs to discuss his stance regarding military enlistment with his audience and not shut them down.

I am among the people who turned off the show about 5 or 6 times because I felt like I was listening to right-wing radio.

Murtha was/is in the right... Schultz has lost our household as listeners. But he has gained some of the goof-balls on the right. Whee...

Good-bye Eddie, Good-bye.

KLSD 1360 A.M. SAN DIEGO ROCKS!

[guidod]

212. I agree that he should

expain his stance on military enlistment. If Schultz ever had served in the military he would know what Murtha was talking about. Most Americans that do not have military experience, yet want to support the troops, have a blind, patriotic kind of "my country right or wrong" attitude. Those of us who have served in the military know what John Murtha is talking about. Schultz's perspective of military sercvice could never be like Murthas.

They weren't talking about the same thing. I agree Schultz should have left Murthas point of view alone. Schultz is good when it comes to Unions, Veterans rights, Health Care and quite a few other topics. Yes he was wrong but I cant burn down the forest just to kill the fox.

[guidod]

214. Let me ask you one more thing...

Does everybody have to be in lockstep with ALL of your beliefs in order for you to support them? Or, do you allow centists into your flock? When I listen to you all I hear is a left wing radical. I'm a left wing democrat but I understand that if we don't widen our thought process we will lose again. Ed Schultz owes an apology to nobody and I think Murtha would agree with that.

[madfloridian]

215. Wrong.

We do NOT need our radio hosts who are supposed to be on our side, spending so much time insulting Democrats.

Why mainly Dean and Murtha? The war maybe?

The right wing radio hosts never give us a break at all. So why do those who are supposedly on our side have to bash our own.

You are sounding very judgemental of a lot of us here.

[guidod]

216. I stand in judgement of no one...

Ed Scultz is a registered democrat. That's one problem with some dems today, they see our side and their side with nothing in between. You are saying that OUR country is either black or white with no shades of gray. Ed Schultz is one of those shades of gray, as are millions of other Americans like him.

I listened to Schultz when he talked of Murtha and also when he spoke of Dean. I feel he was wrong on both, but that doesn't mean that I discard his other views like the ones he has on unions, veterans and healthcare.

Politics is not a football game where you take sides, either black or white. There are many shades of gray and the dems have to be open to all. Just because someone says something that I don't agree with doesn't mean that I won't stand in support of them.

Schultz is right more times than he's wrong, in my opinion, and that's why I will continue to listen to him.

[madfloridian]

217. Please quit misquoting me and making things up about what I say.

It is getting ridiculous how people here do that to each other. I do NOT say our country is black or white. You just pulled that out of the air.

Ed is going after Dean on purpose. He did it in March, in June, and in November. Each time groups of us sent rebuttals, and sent him facts...facts.

He did not care. It was unimportant to him that he did this. In June his interview was so pushy to Dean that they almost had words on air.

I was surprised Dean went back in Sept. but he was decent.

We sent them a huge page from Media Matters in June about fundraising. It did not matter to them. They did not correct it.

It is not about Big Eddie and his party affiliation, it it about the fact that he is rude to two of most honest Democrats.

Now it is Murtha. Because people did not take a stand when he did it to Dean.

[guidod]

218. I am not quoting you at all...

It's easy to see how people here at DU would do that to someone who speaks only in white or in black, there seems to be only one side to the coin. You haven't said anything that could be perceived as a positive statement about Schultz yet. What other conclusion should I come up with?

I e-mailed Schultz twice today, one on receiving money and the other on programming. I will post both answers and let you decide.

By the way I think we have the same Senator, Boxer, and she endorses Schultz.

My intentions tonight are not to argue but I think Schultz, although he's wrong on both Murtha and Dean, deserves better treatment than he's getting here at DU. Here are his producers answers:

No.

Ed Schultz has never received money from Democratic National Committee, The
DSCC or the DCCC.

We are owned and operated by P1 (Products 1st).

Ed Schultz is one of the owners.

The Ed Schultz Show was the first of the progressives you see out there
today that went national on Jan. 5, 2004.

After the 2002 election, Senate Democrats wanted the progressive format to
take place so they encouraged private individuals to contribute to a 501 C3
called Democracy Radio to raise money for that effort.

This is much like Air America has done getting private individuals to
contribute to help pay the bills.

Air America is doing a good job.

The difference between The Ed Schultz Show and Air America since last year,
is that all radio advertising is paying for our expenses.

As of November advertising revenue out preformed expenses.

We exceeded the business plan for profitability by 13 months.

The Ed Schultz Show is the first national progressive talk radio program to
make a profit.

2006 looks bigger and better.

Thanks for the interest.
Vern Thompson
Program Manager
The Ed Schultz Show
E-mail: [e-mail]



Below is the guest list from The Ed Schultz Show this past week:

Guests
Tuesday – Former CIA Agent Larry Johnson on illegal eavesdropping (WWRC-Washington, DC)
Wednesday – Minority House Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, on spying program. Pelosi made national news on the issue. (KQKE-San Francisco, CA)
Wednesday – New Orleans homeowner, Larry McKenzie (The Ed Schultz Show Adopt a Family Program recipient) on razing homes in New Orleans without homeowner’s knowledge. (WSMB-New Orleans, LA)
Wednesday – Karen Meredith, mother of fallen solder from Iraq who disagreed with Ed’s position on Rep. Murtha comments. (KQKE-San Francisco, CA)
Thursday – Secretary of State Madeleine Albright right after her meeting with President Bush and other former Sec. of Defense and Sec. of State members on the war in Iraq. We got Albright before other evening national news organizations. (WWRC-Washington, DC)
Thursday – Rep. Jane Harman, D-CA, one of 8 leaders briefed on Bush’s eavesdropping on US citizens, talking about Bush breaking the law regarding the NSA spying and oversight. (KTLK-Los Angeles)
Thursday – Former Chief of Staff to President Clinton, Leon Panetta on corruption in Washington, DC and the Abramoff scandal KTLK-Los Angeles)
Thursday – Ralph Neas, People for the American Way, on Judge Altio nomination (WWRC-Washington, DC)
Friday – Sen. Dick Durbin, D-IL, right after spending part of the day with President Bush on economic issues as well as attending his speech on the economy. (WCPT-Chicago, IL)
Friday – Rep. Eliot Engle, D-NY, on Pat Robertson’s outrageous comments on Arial Sharon’s stroke. Engle is on his way to Israel. (Bronx, NY)
Friday – Rev. Barry Lynn, Executive Director, Americans United for Separation of Church and State on Robertson’s comments and Alito nomination (WWRC-Washington, DC)

Who in the country had better guests on timely news topics this week?

We had 2 guests that went on our show right after meeting with President Bush.

Cable TV news shows didn’t get the guests when the news was happening like we did this week.

Throughout the year we plan to have major newsmakers on The Ed Schultz Show on a daily basis.

You can download most of the interviews with these guests on our website at www.wegoted.com under “Audio Highlights”.

Here is the direct link: http://www.wegoted.com/dailyAudio/index.asp

Together we will make a difference in 2006!
Vern Thompson
Program Manager
The Ed Schultz Show
E-mail: [e-mail]

[madfloridian]

219. I am not concerned about his treatment at DU.

Quite frankly, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No radio host gets appreciated by everyone.

Ed has had many chances to stand up for Democrats. I think he needs to be careful about condemning Murtha, especially now. This is a crucial time in our country, and Murtha speaks for many of us.

I am glad you are writing Vern, I have emails from all of them there.

I don't get where you would think I was accusing him of getting from from AFRN. I never said that. I know there was a Democratic luncheon though before AAR started, where the media did bid. Randi opted out, he didn't.

I give up on him about Dean, and I hope he redeems himself about Murtha. I don't intend to listen...life is too short. And I live in Florida, not CA.

[guidod]

220. I hear Ed standing up for

Democrats everyday. Sorry, I got you confused with someone else about AFRN. Sorry about that. I heard Randi several times talking about the money. I don't see anything wrong with the way Ed Gets his money.

Like I said I'm sorry but I got you mixed up with someone else.

[zann725]

221. Would somebody please "pull" Big Eddie from AAR line-up?

He's nothing more than a Rush Limbaugh sound-alike...with a SLIGHT, and I do mean SLIGHT, affected liberal bend.