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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:26 PM
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Gitmo Jails built pre 9-11-01 hmmm, Is this a 'Smoking Gun' ?
From a prior posting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=62515&mesg_id=66953

someone said this deserved a post all its own, so here goes: KansDem writes,

""The contract was devised in the mid-1990s so that military units could quickly obtain construction and engineering services in response to natural disasters, military operations, humanitarian emergencies, and other crises. At the time a ConCap contract is awarded, it is not known precisely what work a company will be required to perform.

The first such contract went to Perini International of Framingham, Mass., and J.A. Jones Management Services of Charlotte, N.C., in 1995. The second, ConCap II, was awarded to KBR in 2001. With payments under that contract close to reaching its $300 million ceiling, a third ConCap contract, this one with a ceiling of $500 million, was given to KBR in July.

The Pentagon agency in charge of the ConCap contract would not disclose how many other companies were considered for the new contract. According to news reports, three firms, including KBR, were considered for ConCap II.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/041004-gitm...

I wondered about this a couple of years ago when I found out that construction of holding pens at GitMo started before the 9/11 attacks... Why?""

I noticed during the DowningStreetMemo hearings that Rep Marci Kaptur and others at DSM were looking into this papertrail of contracts pre 9-11. If anyone knows more about this line of investigation I'd love to see more on this verrrry interest set of most fortuitous circumstances that just serendipitously befell the Bush administration.

9-11, jails in Gitmo already built, a 500 page Patriot Act already to go for Congress to sign, Ops GardenPlot and CableSplicer with suspension of the Constitution all up and ready...and now the domestic spying ... on political "enemies of the people", as Ibsen would put it.

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:31 PM
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1. If memory serves me correctly
The Gitmo jails were built after 9/11 using the contracts you highlighted.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:37 PM
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6. 1995 is pre-9/11, right ? and when in 2001 for second ConCap ? July 2001?
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 04:19 PM by EVDebs
""The first such contract went to Perini International of Framingham, Mass., and J.A. Jones Management Services of Charlotte, N.C., in 1995. The second, ConCap II, was awarded to KBR in 2001. With payments under that contract close to reaching its $300 million ceiling, a third ConCap contract, this one with a ceiling of $500 million, was given to KBR in July""

What gives here ?

That globalsecurity.org link gave me trouble so here's the article to google

Legal Times October 04, 2004
U.S. Building New Prisons for Terrorists
Construction of Guantanamo jails signals long-term plans for base
In-Depth Coverage By Vanessa Blum

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/041004-gitmo.htm

Here's another important sentence from the article

""The work is performed under a Pentagon contract for emergency construction work worldwide known as ConCap, short for Contingency Construction Capabilities Contract.""

Is there a way to investigate DOD contracts using this keyword ?


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 04:20 PM
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10. Aw, c'mon, one more vote for the greatest page ?! We can do it !
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:27 PM
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12. Go ahead. Your fingers will recover!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:47 PM
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7. The Cages Used for Afghanis and Iraqis
were built post-911. A person in my parents' church was involved in the construction (which they happily pointed out to me).
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:53 PM
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9. So charity work w/o govt. contracts helped to build the prison ?
Halliburton/KBR will be pissed !
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:31 PM
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2. That Base, Sir
Was used for detention of Haitian immigrants at the time....
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:34 PM
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3. More info on the contracts would be nice. Links etc. ?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:36 PM
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5. Yes, I recall that as well
It was in the news when they rioted, after being detained for doing nothing worse than the Cubans were being welcomed for.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:35 PM
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4. They used to take a lot of Haitians there.
They would pick them up on unseaworthy craft in the windward straits. I don't know for a fact that is what they were doing but it is an educated guess, I saw a rescued boat with over a hundred people crammed onboard sink in the harbor there.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:51 PM
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8. Airbase Al Udeid's construction seems to have been complete by Oct 2001
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 03:55 PM by EVDebs
"Secret" Air Base for Iraq War started prior 9-11

...Long before the US pullout, a new home for the operations had secretly been built in the deserts of Qatar. What had been in October 2001 "nothing more than a runway and a field of sand covered by two-dozen tents and a few warehouses", the Al Udeid Air Base was transformed in a few short months into one of the largest air bases in the world."

from Hannah's Blog
http://hannah.smith-family.com/archive/000766.html

good aerial pics too.

Enterprising DUers (and anyone who knows Rep Marcy Kaptur or the folks at DowningStreetMemo who know about this stuff and want to post), please fill me in on more of this !

Who built the bases and under what CONTRACTS and paper trails ? I remember somewhere that all military spending must originate in Congress, or do we now have a secret government after all ? Let's at least make it official, huh ?

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:41 PM
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11. it's hard to tell what the May 2001 contract to KBR/Halliburton did
Henry Waxman is one great member of Congress and American, and I'm sure he's got his finger on the pulse that is Gitmo and KBR/Halliburton ... I wrote him a year ago re How Many Contracts does it take for KBR/Halliburton to build Gitmo ... my email mirrored my post at "Guantanamo takes on look of permanency"
"http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1135838

(aside rant:It should be no doubt that whatever safeguards our Federal Acquisition Regulations and government contracting policies and procedures once existed have been "Cheneyed". Costs of toilet seats, etc., might not be so outrageous in light of how the system has been changed via paperwork reduction schemes and easing cost-price justifications to the gov't, etc., for what are deemed 'catalog items' or off-the-shelf items ... on the surface it sounds good, but the changes opened the door to corruption and exploitation ... superficial examples cited to make Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) 'reforms'/changes imho pales in comparison to the boondoggle for KBR/Halliburton/Cheney ... Cheney was around during these changes, took notes, found loopholes, and went to Halliburton to start profiteering with such concepts as Bases-in-a-Box.)

Rep. Waxman cited in a letter to Rumsfeld that KBR/Halliburton had gotten a contract in May 2001: "Despite its apparent connections with terrorist states, Halliburton appears to be one of the main companies profiting from the war on terror. In May 2001, Brown & Root was awarded a five-year, $300-million contract to provide logistical support to the Navy."

What exactly was the statement/scope of work? Was it a Blanket Order 'for whatever' work came up, or more specific???

Halliburton profiteering is certainly an issue of concern.

The other more important one is what Yale Professor Koh mentions in a 2003 Miami Herald article:

"Yale Law School professor Harold Koh, who represented Cuban and Haitian migrants at the Guantánamo base in 1994-95, said by phone that the construction means ‘we are just getting further and further in’ to an alternative justice system outside the rule of law and unauthorized by Congress.

" ‘If everyone thought about where this is leading us, they might have doubts about whether this is where we want to go,’ Koh said. ‘We have set up an offshore prison camp in an extrajudicial zone where people have no rights, and we assume no one is going to follow our lead....’ "

That's the issue which ties-in to Bu$hCo's** MO regarding abuse of rights-laws-power, etc.

DU's once-but-not-forgotten-'ewing' posted in March 2002, that an open-ended contract was awarded to KBR/Halliburton in June 2000 while Vice President Dick Cheney was still CEO. Was Gitmo cited in the contract? The Statement of Work could be FOIA'd. Did this contract spawned the detention centers at Guantanamo Bay??

Brown & Root Services, Houston, Texas, is being awarded a maximum estimated $75,000,000 cost-plus-award-fee, indefinite-quantity/indefinite-delivery order contract with a guaranteed minimum of $100,000 for emergency construction capabilities. The total contract amount is not to exceed $300,000,000 (base year plus four option years). Work will be performed at worldwide locations, to be determined, when task orders are awarded. Work is expected to be complete by June 2001. Contract funds will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured with 44 proposals solicited and three offers received. The Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic Division, Norfolk, Va., is the contracting activity (N62470-00-D-0005). http://www.defenselink.mil/contracts/2000/c06292000_ct373-00.html (first one listed under "Navy")

in Feb. 2002 contract announcements (3rd listed under "Navy"):

Brown & Root Services, a division of Kellogg Brown & Root, Arlington, Va., was awarded today a $16,000,000 task order under a previously awarded cost reimbursement, indefinite-delivery and indefinite-quantity construction contract for construction of a 408-unit detention camp at the Radio Range area of U.S. Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Units will be of modular steel construction. Each unit measures 6 feet 8 inches by 8 feet and includes a bed, a toilet, and a hand basin with running water. Work will be performed in Guantanamo Bay and is to be completed by April 2002. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The basic contract was competitively procured with 44 proposals solicited, three offers were received, and award was made on June 29, 2000. The total contract amount is not to exceed $300,000,000, which includes the base period and four option years. The Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic Division, Norfolk, Va., is the contracting activity (N62470-00-D-0005).



This post is fwiw/fyi ... keep digging for the truth ...


This page lists many of KBR/Halliburton's contracts, c.1995-2002
http://cryptome.org/dod-kbr.htm

Cheney/Halliburton Chronology
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/chronology.html

(weird that each time I tried today to open the globalsecurity.org site, I got closed down)

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:30 PM
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13. Good work cosmicdot ! Open-ended contracts begun pre-9/11
Let's hope that the DSM people working on this haven't been too spied upon NSA-wise. An analog hardcopy paper trail is best anyway. And a good old-fashioned copymachine !
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:27 PM
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14. didn't they build an execution chamber at Gitmo?
I thought KBR got that contract.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:12 PM
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15. PERINI INTERNATIONAL
Entity Name Identification Number Old Identification Number Principal Office
Address, City, State, Zip, Country
PERINI INTERNATIONAL CORPORATI 042585210 000049049 73 MT. WAYTE AVE., FRAMINGHAM, MA 01701 USA
PERINI INTERNATIONAL SALES CO. INC. 000108924 73 MT. WAYTE AVE., FRAMINGHAM, MA 01701 USA

http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/corp/corpsearch/CorpSearchSummary.asp?ReadFromDB=True&UpdateAllowed=&FEIN=042585210

PERINI MANAGEMENT SERVICES, INC. Summary Screen

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The exact name of the Domestic Profit Corporation: PERINI MANAGEMENT SERVICES, INC.
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The name was changed from: PERINI INTERNATIONAL CORPORATI on 6/13/97

Entity Type: Domestic Profit Corporation

Identification Number: 042585210

Old Federal Employer Identification Number (Old FEIN): 000049049

Date of Organization in Massachusetts: 09/04/1975

Current Fiscal Month / Day: 12 / 31 Previous Fiscal Month / Day: 00 / 00

The location of its principal office in Massachusetts: No. and Street: 73 MT. WAYTE AVE.

City or Town: FRAMINGHAM State: MA Zip: 01701 Country: USA

If the business entity is organized wholly to do business outside Massachusetts, the location of that office: No. and Street:

City or Town: State: Zip: Country:

The name and address of the Registered Agent: Name:
No. and Street:

City or Town: State: Zip: Country:

The officers and all of the directors of the corporation:

Title Individual Name
First, Middle, Last, Suffix Address (no PO Box)
Address, City or Town, State, Zip Code Expiration
of Term
PRESIDENT ROBERT BAND 19 WILLIAM J. HEIGHTS,
FRAMINGHAM, MA 01701 USA
19 WILLIAM J. HEIGHTS,
FRAMINGHAM, MA 01701 USA
TREASURER MICHAEL CISKEY 2 RACEBROOK DR.,
BETHEL, CT USA
2 RACEBROOK DR.,
BETHEL, CT USA
SECRETARY DENNIS M. RYAN 1 DENNIS AVE.,
RANDOLPH, MA USA
1 DENNIS AVE.,
RANDOLPH, MA USA

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http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/corp/corpsearch/CorpSearchSummary.asp?ReadFromDB=True&UpdateAllowed=&FEIN=000108924

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The exact name of the Foreign Corporation: PERINI INTERNATIONAL SALES CO. INC.
Entity Type: Foreign Corporation

Identification Number: 000108924


Date of Registration in Massachusetts: 07/11/1983

Date of Involuntary Revocation: 11/14/1994


The is organized under the laws of: State: DE Country: USA on: 06/24/1983
Current Fiscal Month / Day: 12 / 31 Previous Fiscal Month / Day: 00 / 00

The location of its principal office: No. and Street: 73 MT. WAYTE AVE.

City or Town: FRAMINGHAM State: MA Zip: 01701 Country: USA

The location of its Massachusetts office, if any: No. and Street:

City or Town: State: Zip: Country:

The name and address of the Registered Agent: Name: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM
No. and Street: 101 FEDERAL STREET

City or Town: BOSTON State: MA Zip: 02110 Country: USA

The officers and all of the directors of the corporation:

Title Individual Name
First, Middle, Last, Suffix Address (no PO Box)
Address, City or Town, State, Zip Code Expiration
of Term
PRESIDENT KENNETH A. ISAACS 5 BLACK OAK RD.,
WAYLAND, MA USA
5 BLACK OAK RD.,
WAYLAND, MA USA
TREASURER KENNETH ISAACS 5 BLACK OAK RD.,
WAYLAND, MA USA
5 BLACK OAK RD.,
WAYLAND, MA USA



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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:23 PM
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16. Global security link nonfunctional
Do you have a current URL?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 10:03 AM
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17. See link and google article headline if needed at Post #6
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