CNN transcript of Howard Dean on Late Edition today.

[madfloridian]

Good part: "Joe is absolutely wrong."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/08/le.01.html

"BLITZER: About a month ago, Senator Joe Lieberman, the former Democratic vice presidential nominee spoke out, urging his fellow Democrats, including yourself, to restrain themselves in criticizing the president's position on Iraq. Listen to what Lieberman said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (D), CONNECTICUT: It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be the commander-in-chief for three more critical years, and that, in matters of war, we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: What do you think? Is that advice good advice from Senator Lieberman?

DEAN: No. This president has lacked credibility almost from the day he took office because of the way he took office.

He's not reached out to other people. He's shown he's willing to abuse his power. He's not consulted others. And he's not interested in consulting any others.

And I think, frankly, that Joe is absolutely wrong, that it is incumbent on every American who is patriotic and cares about their country to stand up for what's right and not go along with the president, who is leading us in a wrong direction."


(I am very glad Dean said that...I was so angry that Lieberman implied that we might be undermining our nation. He had no right to say that.)

[blm]

1. Very well said - and thanks for the transcript.

I only read the thread on his appearance and was looking forward to the actual transcript.

[montanacowboy]

2. I was very angry at Dean when he said

"we don't want these left-leaning governments in central and south america"...WTF?

DO WE WANT RIGHT LEANING GOVERNMENTS? WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT?

BOY, THAT STUPID COMMENT REALLY MADE MY BLOOD BOIL -

[madfloridian]

3. Please read the transcripts before spouting talking points.

.

[montanacowboy]

4. I heard the program, I heard him say it

[madfloridian]

8. This is how it is done.

Take out one sentence, but don't listen to the rest of it. Spread it all over DU, and then get all irate.

He was being sympathetic to them, and condemning Bush's actions. Wouldn't you rather we be nice to Chavez than have him sharing oil with other instead of us?

Sometimes I despair for our country. I simply despair.

[lillilbigone]

13. you are misquoting

[madfloridian]

15. I would take time to post the context, but if you are capable of posting..

then you are capable of posting the context. You could do that for us, would you?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. Was this what you are talking about?

I took it from the posted transcript from CNN:

He's ignored the economic plight of their folks. And so, we're getting something that I think most Americans wish we didn't have, which is left-leading regimes in these places. We need a president who will work constructively and cooperatively with our allies around the world so that we really can move capitalism and democracy further into the world and not turn off people. When you turn people off, as the most powerful nation in the world, they are obviously going to do something that is not in our best interest. And that's exactly what's going on right now.


Sometimes I wonder if capitalism and democracy really go together. It seems that here in the US, unleashed capitalism is driving the US towards a facist dictatorship. I haven't read that much about the "leftist" regimes in South America, but it seems to me that they are leaning socialist-are socialist governments looked upon as a threat to the US? If so, how come we're not having problems with the Scandanavian countries? Or is it that what we really want is a governement in power that will do whatever the US wants?

[Fridays Child]

5. When did he say that? Today?

Is there a transcript?

[madfloridian]

6. I just posted the transcript??

:think:

[montanacowboy]

7. He said it today to Blitzer

I don't know what the transcript says, but that is what I heard him say - he said that * was supposed to pay more attention to Latin America and because he has not, we have these left leaning governments ---

that is what he said

[madfloridian]

10. Go ahead. I just give up.

Take one sentence. People have done this forever.

[madfloridian]

11. Did you see my subject line?

or not?

[Fridays Child]

25. Are you and montanacowboy the same person?

The snotty tone of your response to a valid question which wasn't even directed toward you is uncalled for. My question was to montanacowboy, who said that Dean made a remark, which I cannot locate in the transcript, about left-leaning Central and South American governments.

[madfloridian]

27. I had just posted the transcript link. Thus my shock at the question.

That is the subject line of the thread. It is in the transcript, but I will let you two fight it out.

If I sounded snotty, I guess that is one take on it. I was just stunned.

[Fridays Child]

28. Hello? Your OP didn't even mention the quote he referred to.

And a search of the transcript did not locate the phrase "left-leaning." Thus, my question was directed to montanacowboy and not you.

Your "shock" is misplaced.

Whatever. :eyes:

[madfloridian]

29. The transcript most certainly mentions what Dean said.

Only I believe the phrase was left-leading. Yes, it is in the transcript. I just read it.

[Fridays Child]

30. Duh. The "d" instead of an "n" was why I didn't locate it, at first.

Not to mention the fact that montanacowboy didn't make it clear that he was referring to the same transcript as the one linked in your OP. But what I really don't get is why you've gone out of your way to insert yourself into a dialog that wasn't directed toward you, in the first place. Then again, I suppose I should have ignored you, in the second place.

[madfloridian]

31. Yes, you should have just ignored me.

.

[madfloridian]

32. I thought since I started the thread, I could post in it.

I did not know there was a rule about it.

[Fridays Child]

33. Don't worry about it too much, okay?

[radio4progressives]

9. I missed it, but I'm sure that was posturing for the RNC attacks if he

said anything different.

So long as he didn't promote the notion that we should engage in regime change in South and Central America or Cuba, I can over look this remark as shoring up against the onslaught of Right Wing attacks making Dean to be something of a "Socialist" if he said anything contrary.

Dean has always been something of a more conservative leaning (but not a Neo Lib - big difference) which should make him a "moderate" in the party, but the DLC and the Media seems to want to portray Dean as something of a Leftist - which is insane and false.

the few criticisms I have of Dean, has always been about his more conservative positions - so it's hilarious to read or hear Dean mis-characterized as a "leftists" by DU members and the Corporate MSM.

[madfloridian]

12. Well, he sure should have prepared for the left wing attacks.

Because they weigh every word. They discount all the good attacks on the right, and they pick up on one sentence out of context. Then they start attacks.

Just think about it.

[nuxvomica]

17. Here's what he said

DEAN: We had an enormous opportunity, when this president took office, and he said he was going to reach out to Latin America. Instead, he has turned them off. He's been high-handed with them; he's rejected them.

He's ignored the economic plight of their folks. And so, we're getting something that I think most Americans wish we didn't have, which is left-leading regimes in these places. We need a president who will work constructively and cooperatively with our allies around the world so that we really can move capitalism and democracy further into the world and not turn off people. When you turn people off, as the most powerful nation in the world, they are obviously going to do something that is not in our best interest. And that's exactly what's going on right now.

He may be right that most Americans don't want left-leaning governments in Latin America or he may be wrong. But he's absolutely right that * missed an opportunity to reach out to Latin America. I was very happy that he said that. I think that good relations with Chavez would be good for both countries and the hemisphere as a whole and * totally blew it.

[madfloridian]

18. And maybe Chavez would be sharing oil with us, not China.

If we had been decent. Bush totally blew it.

"Feb. 7, 2005 Whether or not Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez is the next Fidel Castro, the leftist firebrand has mastered the Cuban's art of pushing the U.S.'s buttons--including the ones on our gas pumps. Venezuela is the U.S.'s fourth-largest oil supplier (15% of U.S. imports), a nearby and reliable source that few in Washington want to alienate. But the visit to Caracas last week by Chinese Vice President Zeng Qinghong was the latest reminder that Chávez, a sharp critic of U.S. foreign policy, wants to cut Venezuela's dependence on the U.S. market and start exporting to his oil-thirsty ideological ally, China...."

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But Dean talked out of the right side of his mouth instead of the left, and he did not sound left enough....so context is forgotten. Thanks for the sensible post.

[nuxvomica]

20. And for other reasons, as well

Not the least of which is that Chavez is a democratically elected head of state who actually stood up to corporate and financial interests and has done much to help lift his people out of poverty. How much worldwide goodwill might we have gotten by helping this man? Aren't we supposed to be wearing the same team colors as someone like Chavez?

Regarding Dean's performance, I was very impressed, especially his forceful refutation of Democratic involvement in the Abramoff scandal. It had Wolfie noticeably flustered. :rofl:

[Rhiannon12866]

24. I thought Dean was excellent.

We need someone with the courage and the knowledge to stand up to these efforts at distortion and who can refute the lies that pervade the MSM, these days. Dean was not my presidential candidate, but whenever I've heard him speak, since he became DNC chair, I can't criticize a single thing he says and I'm grateful that he's on our side. We need more like Howard Dean.:applause:

on edit: I just heard the end of this, again. You are absolutely right. He sure stood up to Wolfie! It's about time somebody straightened him out on the facts...:grr:

[madfloridian]

14. I am going to keep track of the number of times ....

this one sentence is taken out of the whole great context of caring and diplomacy Dean exhibited. I have seen two people do this already. It is how the left does it.

Better be perfectly left or get attacked.

[Rhiannon12866]

22. That's just the purists. We need to stand together on this.

Howard Dean is on our side, and has the courage to speak out, while Joe Lieberman is not and defends Bush* any chance he gets. That's all anyone here needs to know when it comes to deciding whom to believe and whom to support. Nobody is going to agree on every single point, every single time, but Dean has proven himself to me. He was not my presidential candidate, but I think he was a brilliant choice for DNC chair. We need someone who won't back down in the face of RW attacks, and he sure hasn't.:shrug:

[clarknyc]

19. Thanks for posting this part of the transcript and the link.

I've seen some video bits posted at CanOFun. Dean was on fire and pitch perfect today!

[Stockholm]

21. Keep repeating this piece over and over

"DEAN: There are no Democrats who took money from Jack Abramoff, not one, not one single Democrat. Every person named in this scandal is a Republican. Every person under investigation is a Republican. Every person indicted is a Republican. This is a Republican finance scandal. There is no evidence that Jack Abramoff ever gave any Democrat any money. And we've looked through all of those FEC reports to make sure that's true. "

[wiley]

36. Make it a poster

and wheat paste it throughout America. We at DU (for the most part) know the full truth about the CORRUPT REPUBLICANS and their crime cartel.

[NoFederales]

23. Dean's response to Blitzer's question "Is that good advice from Senator

Lieberman:

DEAN: No. This president has lacked credibility almost from the day he took office because of the way he took office.

He's not reached out to other people. He's shown he's willing to abuse his power. He's not consulted others. And he's not interested in consulting any others.

And I think, frankly, that Joe is absolutely wrong, that it is incumbent on every American who is patriotic and cares about their country to stand up for what's right and not go along with the president, who is leading us in a wrong direction.

We're going in the wrong direction, economically, at home; we're going in the wrong direction abroad

Look at what's happening in Latin America. This president, while saying that he wants to further democracy and capitalism, is driving people in the opposite direction.

We need real leadership in this country and we don't have it right now.

BLITZER: Are you blaming the president on the elections in Bolivia or on the elections in Venezuela? Is that what you're saying?

DEAN: We had an enormous opportunity, when this president took office, and he said he was going to reach out to Latin America. Instead, he has turned them off. He's been high-handed with them; he's rejected them.

He's ignored the economic plight of their folks. And so, we're getting something that I think most Americans wish we didn't have, which is left-leading regimes in these places. We need a president who will work constructively and cooperatively with our allies around the world so that we really can move capitalism and democracy further into the world and not turn off people. When you turn people off, as the most powerful nation in the world, they are obviously going to do something that is not in our best interest. And that's exactly what's going on right now.

NoFederales

[Dinger]

26. Excellent , Thanks For Posting

:patriot:

[orleans]

34. my favorite part is not in the transcript:

DEAN: Senator Byron Dorgan and some others took money from Indian tribes. They're not agents of Jack Abramoff. There's no evidence that I've seen that Jack Abramoff directed any contributions to Democrats. I know the Republican National Committee would like to get the Democrats involved in this. They're scared. They should be scared. They haven't told the truth. They have misled the American people. And now it appears they're stealing from Indian tribes. The Democrats are not involved in this.

BLITZER: Unfortunately Mr. Chairman, we got to leave it right there.

it happened between dean saying "not involved in this" and blitzer saying "unfortunately". it was a three to four second pause, where wolfie sighed and was basically speechless!

i cracked up over that. woo woo howard!!!

[blossomstar]

35. Dean's on a ROLL! WoooooooooooooHooooooooo!

[spooky3]

37. I think every one of us who can afford to should send $ to DNC

TODAY or ASAP afterwards, so that the message is clear that the reason we're sending it is we want to support what Dean said and how he's handling these interviews.