The real reason why JFK must die

[SittingBull]

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm

Please, in case this link doesn't work, google ( or better use alltheweb.com )
for executive order 11110.

Yesterday this link worked fine, today it seems to have never existed,
I used it in a discussion board in germany, and no kidding, today morning
the server of this site was hacked. ( http://www.stock-channel.net )


Anybody got a clue what's going on??

[Greeby]

1. Here it is, Executive Order 11110

http://www.jfklibrary.org/exec_orders/eo11110.html

Executive Order 11110

AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289 AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended --

(a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):

"(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and

(b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

SEC. 2. The amendment made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

JOHN F. KENNEDY

THE WHITE HOUSE,
June 4, 1963

[SittingBull]

2. Thx

It wasn't a paper tiger- they had already over 4 bil. United States Note- dollars in 2 and 5 notes in use.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

4. All that backs our money now is...

... a printing press.


Or "access to cheap oil" to keep the funny money running.


JFK tried. RIP.


Interesting that link is down.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. I'm SO CONFUSED, what does this have to do with the 2 dollar bill?

I read the executive order and it says nothing about $2 bills.

[SittingBull]

19. Maybe this link will help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Notes

To the other posters: Not so fast.

[SittingBull]

20. The silver was the bullet

The final change to $2 United States Notes came in 1963 when the motto IN GOD WE TRUST was added to the reverse over the Monticello. And, because dollar bills were soon to no longer be redeemable in silver, WILL PAY TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND was removed from the obverse. These $2 bills were officially discontinued in August of 1966.

[SittingBull]

21. The silver was the bullet

The final change to $2 United States Notes came in 1963 when the motto IN GOD WE TRUST was added to the reverse over the Monticello. And, because dollar bills were soon to no longer be redeemable in silver, WILL PAY TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND was removed from the obverse. These $2 bills were officially discontinued in August of 1966.

[Clara T]

3. Debunking the Federal Reserve Conspiracy Theories

Debunking the Federal Reserve
Conspiracy Theories (and other financial myths)

Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power.  Executive Order 11,110 proves it.  (Last updated 9/4/2000)
 
Presidential Executive Order 11,110 is quite infamous among conspiracy buffs.  Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, writes that the order instructs the Treasury secretary to issue about $4.2 billion in silver certificates as a form of currency in place of Federal Reserve Notes.1  Written by John F. Kennedy, Marrs also speculates this order was part of a larger plan by Kennedy to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve by giving the Treasury more power to issue currency.  The order wassigned June 4, 1963.  A few months later, of course, Kennedy was killed, and conspiracy theorists hypothesize a link between the murder and E.O. 11,110.  They argue that the Federal Reserve was somehow involved in the assassination to protect its power over monetary policy.

The executive order modifies a pre-existing order issued by Harry Truman in 1951.  E.O. 10,289 states "The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President..."   The order then lists tasks (a) through (h) which the Treasurer can now do without bothering the President.  None of the powers assigned to the Treasury in E.O. 10,289 relate to money or to monetary policy.  Kennedy's E.O. 11,110 then instructs that...

<snip>

E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29).  E.O.  11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2
In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed.  If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

Marrs also makes some other factual errors in his conspiracy tale that  suggest he is not very familiar with the Federal Reserve or the financial system.  He writes that a source of tension between the Federal Reserve and the Kennedy Administration was the Treasury's desire to allow banks to underwrite state and local government bonds, thereby weakening the "dominant" Federal Reserve banks. However, such a move, which was later permitted by Congress, would not have affected the Federal Reserve system because it had never been involved in underwriting bond issues.  Marrs also claims that Kennedy signed a bill that changed the backing of small denomination currency from silver to gold to "add strength to the weakened U.S. currency."   This is completely false.  U.S. currency has not been on the gold standard since 1934, and silver certificates, as their name suggests, had never been redeemable in anything but silver. In addition, U.S. currency was not "weak" during Kennedy's time: There had not been any significant inflation since the late forties, and the exchange rate value of the dollar was fixed according to the Bretton Woods agreement.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/weberman/jfk.htm

Don't know myself and I certainly don't believe the lone gunman theory. But here is a thought on the FR Theory.

Theorizing is of value.


 

[SittingBull]

5. I don't know Marrs

and don't fall for his missing insights on the Federal Reserve System.

But I'll be much more sceptical about the Fed, here a some books that I've read:

Secrets of the Federal Reserve: Eustace Mullins
The Federal Reserve Act- US Sen Robert Latham Owen
Out of debt- out of danger- US Con Jerry Voorhis
Misterious Money-Changers- Gertrude Coogan, with a foreword by Robert Latham Owen
The lost science of money- the story of power- Stephen Zarlenga

[SittingBull]

7. Robert Latham Owen

was the chair of the senate currency- and finance committee in 1913, as the Fed-act was established...

Here you can find his foreword:

http://www.sonnet.com/usr/kidogo/coogan.html

[SittingBull]

8. For all thos who'll call me

antisemite, because I mention Eustace Mullins:

I'm a very sceptical person, I don't fall easy for conspiracy theories, and even less for the rhetorical antisemite argument.

I prefer to look for the facts myself. And, unfortunately, I found out that this conspiracy really did happened.
My best witness is Robert Latham Owen, a US Senator and honourable man. There's no need for him for lying!
Maybe he was a freemasonry, but what mean this on this case?

[ieoeja]

26. Robert Latham Owen died in 1947.

Robert Latham Owen served as a Senator from Oklahoma from 1907 to 1925. He died in 1947. Your "best witness" "that this conspiracy really did happen" died 16 years before the conspiracy allegedly took place.

Conversations with dead people via Ouija boards will not be accepted by most DUers as an adequate source.

[Clara T]

9. In my view The Fed

should be more properly called the Syndicate.

Esoteric processes of market manipulation to control the way money operates and control the people dependent on the money. That would be us the wage slaves.

Y'all know far more on this than I.

Why JFK was offed? So many unanswered questions that still lurk in the background.

[SittingBull]

10. Yes,

syndicate hits the nail.

Or money trust. Like the gigantic trusts in the first quarter of the last century.

I agree with your second sentence, maybe it's a little bit easier to understand, why the amonunt of money has to grow steadily.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

14. Are you actually proud of reading something by Eustace Mullins?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins

[...of J.Temperance]

16. Darn, you know that you're not allowed to say things like that :)

:)

[HR_Pufnstuf]

6. But,

"This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the
government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver
bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United
States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10
and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by
the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated."

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United
States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation."

http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy31.htm

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Also, what happened to our country definition of the dollar per The Coinage Act of 1792.

"Dollars or Units $1 = 371 4/16 grain (24.1 g) pure or 416 grain (27.0 g) standard silver"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinage_Act_(1792)

[...of J.Temperance]

11. I'm confused...can someone explain this bizarre theory please?

Thanks.

[mcscajun]

12. I can point you to a source that attempts to explain it.

I think it's all just so much tinfoil hat Hogwash, myself.

http://www.uhuh.com/money/kennmon.htm

[...of J.Temperance]

13. Thanks...and I agree with you, it's tin foil hat hogwash :)

But I'll read that for entertainment purposes.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

17. According to your link,

"It sidestepped control of money by the powerful Federal Reserve System, a privately held consortium."

Now wouldnt that be grounds by someone to get rid of someone?

And since when are Executive Orders by Presidents bunk?

Everything starts as a theory. Ask Einstein.

[mcscajun]

18. Read a little deeper, then. Executive Order 11110 merely amends

A previous Executive Order 10289, issued by Truman some year prior.

It does not create any new power, it merely delegates existing Presidential authority to issue silver certificates from the President to the Treasury Secretary (at the time, a power in the Banking Industry)

Read more about it here: http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/EO11110.htm
One excerpt follows:

By this executive order, the statutory authority of the President to issue silver certificates was delegated to the Treasury Secretary. In Kennedy's administration, the Treasury Secretary was Douglas Dillon, a man from a banking family and a known established "power" in the banking community. Kennedy delegated the authority to issue silver certificates to Dillon and his successors, and this power could be exercised "without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President."

The only reasonable conclusion which may be reached based upon the facts are the exact opposite of the argument made on the Net. For some 30 years, the President himself held the power to issue silver certificates. But some 5 months before his assassination, Kennedy delegated this power to Dillon, and via this order, Dillon could do as he pleased with this power. To assert that Kennedy was by Executive Order No. 11110 getting ready to issue silver certificates is contrary to the plain facts. Instead, Kennedy was surrendering this power and delegating it to the Treasury Secretary, who was someone from the banking industry. Clearly, it appears that this EO was issued to put the power to issue silver certificates into safe hands, that of a banker. There is no substance to this theory on the Net. I cannot understand how this particular order proves that Kennedy was about to issue silver certificates. Where is the proof that Kennedy was anything other than a pawn of the banking community?

This is a small tempest in an even smaller teapot, and where it started and how long it's been spinning around the 'Net, I'm not going to ask or speculate on. I'm amazed I've given it this much time and energy.

I was only 12 when JFK was assassinated, and this country has been on a downhill run ever since. The cover-up began a long and growing distrust of our government. Now I'm 54 years old, reluctantly resigned to the fact that I will go to my grave still not knowing who killed President John F. Kennedy or why they did so. I do not believe the official story, and I know that until Caroline Kennedy and Senator Ted Kennedy and a few others have passed on, that the archives will remain sealed. Those some decades younger than I may yet live to see the truth come out. But I'll bet you all the silver jewelry I own that it wasn't over silver certificates. :)

[Douglas Carpenter]

22. for reasonable progressive/left critique of the Federal Reserve

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0671675567.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country

by William Greider

I recommend this book -- link for Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671675567/qid=1136786929/sr=8-9/ref=pd_bbs_9/104-5420961-7800718?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

Mr Greider is the national affairs editor for the Nation and former Capitol Hills correspondent for the Washington Post

Mr. Greider puts forward a strong and factually based critique of the fed while debunking the conspiracy theories that surround it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. I get the sense that you really don't know very much about....

...the JFK assassination. I also get the sense that you really don't care to know any more.

[SittingBull]

24. Are you talking to me?

Go ahead, you don't have a clue what I knew about...

[MadHound]

25. Just for your information

That is not a silver certificate that you've got pictured. Silver notes had a blue stamp and numbers. What you show is a US Note, essentially fiat money, less trustworthy at the time, and legally different from Federal Reserve Notes. It wasn't possible to exchange these notes for either silver or gold, ie they were backed by faith in the US, much like Federal Reserve Notes are now.

[yodermon]

27. Nah, the more important memo was

National Security Action Memorandum No. 263, of 11 October 1963

October 11, 1963

NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM NO. 263

TO: Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

SUBJECT: South Vietnam

At a meeting on October 5, 1963, the President considered the recommendations contained in the report of Secretary McNamara and General Taylor on their
mission to South Vietnam.

The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report, the President approved an instruction to Ambassador Lodge which is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon.

McGeorge Bundy

Copy furnished:
Director of Central Intelligence
Administrator, Agency for International Development

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon2/doc146.htm

Also see this article, http://history-matters.com/essays/vietnam/JFK,%20Vietnam,%20and%20Oliver%20Stone/JFK,%20Vietnam,%20and%20Oliver%20Stone.htm#_ednref11

excerpt:

....
On March 14, 2005 The Nation reported: “We also now know that Kennedy that same spring {1963} ordered the Pentagon to plan to have all US troops out of Vietnam by early 1965, shortly after what he assumed would be his re-election – and further ordered that the troop pullout begin by the late fall of 1963. But he did not, of course, live to see their withdrawal.”{9} This was an amazing metanoia for the leftist outlet that had not only hard-pitched the opposite a decade earlier, but had also used its letters pages to savagely beanball two well-known advocates of the withdrawl thesis: it’s originator, Peter Dale Scott, and Oliver Stone’s consultant-historian, John Newman.{10}

Tardy or no, The Nation had finally joined the growing consensus of recognized historians and journalists. Naval War College historian David Kaiser, for example, wrote that his book, American Tragedy,{11} documented the “numerous occasions during 1961, 1962, and 1963 on which Kennedy did exactly that {‘stopped the United States from going to war in Southeast Asia’}, rejecting the near unanimous proposals of his advisers to put large numbers of American combat troops in Laos, South Vietnam, or both.”{12} That conclusion was not at all what some informed observers had expected to find among the secrets.

University of Alabama historian Howard Jones said that when he began his study he “was dubious” about the assertions of “Kennedy apologists {that} he would not have sent combat troops to Vietnam and America’s longest war would never have occurred.” But “what strikes anyone reading the veritable mountain of documents relating to Vietnam,” Jones admitted to his own surprise, “is that the only high official in the Kennedy administration who consistently opposed the commitment of U.S. combat forces was the president.”{13} “The materials undergirding this {Jones’} study demonstrate that President Kennedy intended to reverse the nation’s special military commitment to the South Vietnamese made in early 1961.”{14}

Echoing Jones, journalist Fred Kaplan wrote that, “the argument that Kennedy would have withdrawn from Vietnam becomes truly compelling only when you place {JFK’s} skepticism about the war in the context of his growing disenchantment with his advisers … .”{15}

JFK wanted out of Vietnam. His military-industrial overlords were not pleased. Not pleased at all.