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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:09 PM
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Just got this hideous email from a repug friend and here was my response!
I was so furious that a "friend" would send some crap like this to me KNOWING my views! I have never sent things to them that I knew was against their views! I know that there was plenty that I left out, but just shot this back to them! Probably, our friendship is over. Oh well, they weren't real friends to start with! Is anyone else getting this crap???






----- Original Message -----
From: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Fw: Senator John Glenn



----- Original Message -----







WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

JOHN GLENN SAID

Things that make you think a little:



There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.



When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:



a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.



c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 18,334 per year.

d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.



The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.



We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.



It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.



It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts



But Wait .
There's more!



JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13



Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living.



This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.



Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"



Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."



"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!



You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.



You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.



You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?"


For those who don't remember ..
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Now he's a Senator!



If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.



It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating

MY RESPONSE:

I will try my best to put the truth to this ridiculous email... Obviously, your history is different than the history that is recorded in history books.... It literally scares me that there are people out there believing this garbage sent out in emails by right wing propagandists as fact! I suggest that you diverse yourself in the collection of current events and clarify your history of past events!

In answer to a.:
For God's sake, what about PEARL HARBOR????? This was a just war.

In answer to b.:
German submarines were sinking American ships right and left that were sending aid to our compatriots ENGLAND!!! That's not provacation???

In answer to c.:
No, but we were ASKED by the South Koreans for help and we stopped the North Koreans from taking over South Korea. It was a just war.

In answer to d.:
I beg your pardon, we had so called "military advisors" in Vietnam under President Eisenhower already in place when Kennedy came in office.

In answer to e.:
Yes, Johnson was wrong... there's no doubt about the fact that Vietnan was a total disaster and I don't believe there are many who will say otherwise; but, Nixon continued it until the people (Americans) revolted and only ended it in his second term right before he was forced to resign or be impeached!

In answer to f.:
Clinton went to Bosnia to stop genocide or "ethnic cleasning" and IT WORKED. He pulled out immediately. He accomplished what he set out to do and millions of people's lives were saved. The time to capture Osama Bin Laden was when he was holed up in the mountains of Tora Bora and Bush would not send the proper troops to capture him there... instead we went to where the OIL was in Iraq and fueled world terrorism.... we were not attacked by Iraq. They had nothing to do with 9-11. There is no connection. That is now fact and the war was based on the lies and manipulation of intelligence by this administration. Time will tell this true story.... just wait and see. The truth has a way of lighting up darkness and good overcomes evil....

in answer to g.:
Liberated from what? Their elections were a sham, civil war is about to break out, their infastructure is shot, religious fanatics are about to take over the government (just as they are trying to here).... He has made Iraq a breeding ground for recruiting new terrorists for alQaida! 15 troops were killed just Sunday in Iraq....Crushed the Taliban??? They're hiding out with Bin Laden sending us nice little videos regularly and their recruitment is up! Nuclear Inspectors have NEVER been in North Korea, were thrown OUT of Iran... they are currently pursuing their nuclear arms program, full steam ahead! In the years since our current administration we have lost the respect of most of the civilized world through this administration's use of torture, lies, and corruption.... God, it would be nice if he'd get a blow job so we could impeach him!!! Where are you getting all this MISINFORMATION???? FOX News??? And, just for a last piece of true history, GORE won Florida by 30,000 votes.... TRUTH is POWERFUL.... Judy












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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:12 PM
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1. Typical RWnut bullshit; DENIGRATE the DEATHS of our troops.
Ya really gotta despise the sick little MFers.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:15 PM
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2. can i use these points in case i get this emailed to me?
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:17 PM by yorkiemommie1
...as i am sure i will?

edited to say : 'May' I?
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. yes you certainly may! and if you have any to add, post it here and
I'd like to use it too for the next one! My resolution for this year is not to take any more of this crap from anyone. Normally, I would have just deleted it and said nothing! No more.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. me, too

got to give them tit for tat, as my mama used to say. thanks! i usually get so angry/rattled that i delete them w/out hitting back. as you say...NO MORE!!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:16 PM
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3. That original email is almost incoherent.
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:19 PM by Hissyspit
It seems to be patched together from several separate, dated emails. And so factually incorrect its almost not worth your time to respond to it. I doubt any of the comments attributed to the named individuals were ever uttered by the named individuals. But you did a very good job.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:17 PM
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4. Kick ass! Good rebuttal! n/t
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:20 PM
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8. Thank you, my head is still aching, I think my blood pressure shot up!
People are IGNORANT! I'm SICK of this kind of thinking! WTF is wrong with people???
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:19 PM
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6. One suggestion.
A little dig about the Bush Family's ties to the Bin Laden Family and other Saudis would have been nice.
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. yeah, I was sorry I didn't include any of that, tried to do it too fast!
didn't want them to go to bed and not get my response tonight! Thank you for the suggestion, will remember it if I get another one of these pieces of shit.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:20 PM
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7. Re the "f" of bin laden head on platter to Clinton; DEBUNKED
so many times already, that if this person actually read this email & actually believes what it says, then s/he is very deeply ignorant even by rightwingnut standards, coz even most rightwingnuts now realize the bullshit "Clinton was offered OBL's head on a platter" was in fact absolute total bullshit.

Ya can't give much credit to any rightwingnuts, but most of em do now realize that one is pure crap. Hell, half of them even realize now that Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 911.

Given another 20-30 years, and maybe most rightwingnuts will catch up to the facts.

Naaaaah.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:27 PM
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11. the Metzenbaum / Glenn controversy
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:28 PM by Morning Dew
happened 30 years ago or more and it wasn't direct interaction anyway. Metzenbaum had made a comment that Glenn had never had to "meet a payroll" or some such thing. He didn't say that Glenn had never had a job.

the rest of the letter is bullshit, apples and oranges stuff.
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quisp Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:30 PM
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12. Never apologize for righteous indignation
and you friend sent you the email TO PROVOKE YOU. Either he knows its a crock or he is willfully ignorant.

and this friendship is like the butterfly thing; if you set them free and they come back, it is yours and if it doesn't it was never yours in the first place...
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:32 PM
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14. probably willfully ignorant, they only watch Faux News!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:30 PM
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13. Your answer to b): Germany declared war on the United States
Germany declared war on the United States BEFORE the US declared war on Germany. The Germans did so as a result of their treaty obligations with Japan, which required them to enter into hostilities with any nation that declared war on their ally. The obnoxious right wing talking point that our war against Germany was preemptive is therefore utter bunk. We did not declare war on Germany until AFTER Germany declared war on us. So, unless these knuckleheads can point me to a declaration of war by Iraq prior to our invasion of Iraq, they'll have to find a new point. They are out and out wrong on the history.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:34 PM
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15. John Glenn on the Senate floor , Jan 26, 2004?
Both of these guys (Glenn and Metzenbaum) have been out of the Senate for more than a decade. The remarks quoted and edited here are from a Senate campaign back in the 1970's, Which by the way, Metzenbaum won, and Glenn was elected to the other seat later. Also Glenn was a Democrat.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has stood up for working people and the little guy, Like Howard Metzenbaum. I still remember him confronting Donald Rumsfeld in Senate hearings on the safety of Aspartame in the '70s.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:37 PM
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16. It took less time...
It took less time for the Democrats to win a real World War on TWO fronts against World Class Superpowers than it has taken for the Republicans to find the guy who actually attacked the USA on 9-11.


The population of Detroit is 1 Million (not counting suburbs and visitors).
Population of American military personel in Iraq = 150,000

35 murders per month in Detroit = 1 murder per 28,571 people
39 American deaths per month in Iraq = 1 death per 3,846 service personel.
The Death Rate of Service Personel in Iraq is OVER 7.4 TIMES GREATER in Iraq than the murder rate in Detroit.
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:39 PM
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18. Now if only I'd had these statistics! This is very, very, very good!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:46 PM
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21. Plus
The war is on top of the civilian Iraqi murder rate. That is often not included in this ridiculous analogy.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:38 PM
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17. Here's a Snopes link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

Scroll down about a page.

I was also thinking Glenn had left the Senate back in the late 1990's. Your Repug email buddy has no sense of time or history. Instead, she falls back on Rethug talking points because her arguments don't hold water.

Update: In 2005, someone prefaced the John Glenn/Howard Metzenbaum article with the following item about Iraq. This addendum has nothing to do with John Glenn — it's an anonymous piece that has been floating around the Internet since 2004, but because it has been tacked onto an article about Glenn, readers have been misled into thinking that it is a transcription of something he said: ...
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:42 PM
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19. Damn! You and I must know the same person!
she's been sending me her crap like that for two years, this "friend" of mine.

we got into a few pissing contests when i would counter send items to her.

but the garbage she would send, the crap, the filth, the shit was just a bit much for me.

this woman was one of those who claimed to be a democrat but was 100 percent behind f*ckhead because she's so scared a terriorist is gonna walk up to her front door and walk in her house (i guess)

i finally stopped talking to her--couldn't stand her anymore--i delete her emails without opening them--

she's still the queen of dirty/cheap shots. f*ck her. she's bankrupt (how's that going for you?), unemployed single parent with several kids (how's that going for you?).

at least she's safe in her twisted up brain. yuck.
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:46 PM
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22. bet she's on some of the programs her "protector" has cut!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:15 PM
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23. i think you may be right. n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:44 PM
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20. pssst! Germany declared war on us FIRST, then we reciprocated ->
germany and japan had an alliance. when the US declared war on japan, the axis alliance dictated that germany would declare war on us, which hitler did NOT want to do, and then we declared war on Germany, which roosevelt wanted to do and many REPUBLICANS did not want to do.
The republicans were leading the "no war with germany" front from before 1939 right up to pearl harbor.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/clark2008.htm
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