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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:01 AM
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"the press never reports the good news from Iraq"
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 12:07 AM by welshTerrier2
does anyone actually believe there is any good news in Iraq?

here's the latest from the WP:

source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/09/AR2006010900237.html

1. Two suicide bombers reportedly wearing Iraqi police uniforms struck the heavily guarded Interior Ministry headquarters Monday, killing 29 people (18 others were injured) ... The purpose was to "take the revenge of God and Sunni Muslims and detainees who are being tortured in the prisons of this ministry," it (an Al Qaeda statement) said. In November and December, U.S. troops inspecting two Interior Ministry detention centers in Baghdad found inmates, many of them Sunni Arabs, who had been tortured and starved, Iraqi and U.S. military officials have said.
2. More than 200 Iraqis and 16 U.S. soldiers have been killed in high- and low-profile attacks by insurgents since Wednesday.
3. Twelve more Americans died when their UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter crashed in bad weather Saturday night.
4. On Monday, gunmen assassinated an investigative judge in Kirkuk, in northern Iraq.
5. Assailants killed a member of a government committee in Baghdad
6. an Iraqi intelligence officer and a doctor were fatally shot in separate incidents
7. Police also found a group of five bound and blindfolded bodies in the capital late Sunday
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:04 AM
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1. only the incredibly stupid and completely delusional believe there is
good news.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:06 AM
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2. Welcome to life in LimpballsLand
Where we won Afghanistan, are winning in Iraq, the economy is great, and * is an honest man.
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:08 AM
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3. BUT
I heard some GIs took the day off from killing and painted a school. Why isn't that in the press!?!?!?

heh.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:14 AM
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4. have you forgotten the purple fingers?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:01 AM
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:09 AM
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7. world press
welcome to DU, jodee !!

although it's clear US propaganda is routinely planted in the foreign press, i still think there are independent sources of information available ...

check out this website: http://www.watchingamerica.com/

there also are all sorts of international shortwave radio broadcasts available over the air and via the internet ...
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:20 AM
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8. and how do we know that "good news" is real ....
and not tax-payer paid US propaganda from the Army?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:26 AM
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9. Welcome to DU jodee..
News no longer comes to America served on a "mass media" platter. We have to hunt for it, scour the world press and the internet. The truth is being told to everyone else in the world. It has become the job of the curious to inform the lazy, comfortable and incurious.

I hope you visit often and read lots!
:toast:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:47 AM
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10. The absence of good news reported means they're hiding it?
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 09:51 AM by txindy
:rofl:

:rofl:

So, all of the negative news means we "aren't allowed to hear one way or the other?" Not that the only news to report is negative and that qualifies as "one way or the other." Hmmmm....

Nice logic. So,...Since it hasn't been reported that the pResident is a crackhead, it must be true!

:rofl:

:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:01 PM
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:22 PM
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13. Maybe the journalists shouldn't be confined to certain Iraqi areas
To prevent them being killed, I mean. There's obviously so much good news to report, so why doesn't the military permit the reporters to flit from happy tale to happy tale? Why are they holed-up in their hotel, afraid to walk out the front door? When the hotel isn't being shelled by our military - by mistake, of course. Repeatedly.

It's a good thing that Florida teen made it to the journalists' hotel, though, and didn't get a chance to run through the streets of Baghdad collecting positive stories. Who knows what havoc he could've wreaked on the one-sided delivery of the news had he not been flown out of the country so quickly. And why was it necessary to get him out that fast, anyway? What happy story would've spread throughout the world had he been allowed to witness it?

Uh-huh. :eyes:

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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:49 PM
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16. I object to elections being held up as good news
If it got us closer to resolving the conflict it would be good news - anything that gets us closer to resolving the conflict is good news. It doesn't seem to get us any closer. The violence is just as bad or worse as before the election. People are protesting the results, saying they were rigged. How is that progress?? I feel the same about schools and whatever being repaired. How is blowing up a school and rebuilding it progress? If we started intercepting weapons coming into Iraq or found a way to protect our guys in the convoys, that might be progress. Or if the attacks started to decline, that would be good or if the Iraqi army was fighting the insurgents while our guys were sitting around playing cards or on a flight home, that would be good news. But none of that is happening. I'm confident we would hear about it if it was.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:04 PM
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17. take it a step further ...
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 06:06 PM by welshTerrier2
democratic elections have the potential to be a good thing ... but, as you very correctly pointed out, if they essentially allow for a tyranny of the majority and result in more violence and more suffering and death, what good are they?

but take it a step further and ask yourself how a guy like Chalabi just got appointed by the Iraqi government to head the Iraqi Oil Ministry ... Chalabi received .89 of 1% of the vote ... and still, the democratically elected government "chose" to appoint him to this key post ... WHY?? the answer is that the democratically elected government is being controlled by Washington ...

and they are being further weakened (read: "made easier to control") as bush cuts off infrastructure aid to Iraq ... and further weakened still by bush's little friend Wolfowitz who now controls the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund and is demanding that Iraq "play ball" if they want to keep their loans intact ...

the squeeze is on and the puppet masters are pulling the strings for the benefit of Big Oil ... the elections were real but the elected government has very little control ... that's just the way the US likes it ... it looks like democracy but it tastes like crap ... and in the US, no Democrat dares to question bush's MOTIVES ... don't let anyone tell you otherwise, it's all about the OIL no matter how many deny it ...
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:18 PM
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23. What soldiers did you talk with? What units were they attached to?
What were their jobs? Infantry, maintenance, what?

What ranks were they? Army, Air Force, Marines, what? Let's get some specifics so we can judge if this is service-wide or just some happy horseshit.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:35 PM
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15. Who says you aren't allowed?
:shrug:

Oh, and welcome to DU yadda yadda yadda...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:47 PM
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:03 PM
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22. You been living under a rock?
You've never heard the term "yadda yadda yadda" ?

Holy shit.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:46 PM
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27. You want a "balanced" view of the Iraq situation? Sign up.
Go down to the recruiter's office, show them some ID, sign the paperwork, volunteer for Iraq.

Then you can see for yourself.

Or do you have other priorities?

Is all of this just an intellectual exercise?

Please, let me know.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:52 PM
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29. You disagree that actually GOING there and SEEING things would
give you a "balanced" :rofl: view of things?

Who do you believe, me or your lying eyes? :spank:

:grabbing shovel:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:06 PM
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33. Talk about your non sequiturs, lmao!!!
"OMIGAWD, you're so angry, you know not of what you speak, please, please PLEASE go cool off you molten iron monolith of liberalism!!!" :rofl:

BTW: lemme know your address, and I'll have a recruiter at your door at 0800 tomorrow morning.

Don't bother directing the same advice to me, because unlike most patriots :patriot: these days, I ACTUALLY SERVED!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:14 PM
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:23 PM
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37. So why can't you serve? Or why didn't you serve? Please, I love
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 09:28 PM by Vickers
to hear the excuses!!! They warm the cockles of my heart and all that shit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:17 PM
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:22 PM
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36. I asked those questions because I think you are lying, not because
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 09:28 PM by Vickers
I actually wanted to know.

You confirmed my suspicions. :thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:29 PM
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:31 PM
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41. I don't hate the current administration...I think they are traitors and
liars.

You can tell me the UNIT, c'mon, that is public knpwledge!

At least Google it so you don't look like the current administration! :rofl:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:53 PM
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42. I had to leave for a while and missed the party. Nice rock, though.
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 09:56 PM by txindy


I'd say I'll miss Jodee, but I'd be lying.

:rofl:

I guess he's gone to find more of that deliberately-hidden good news about Iraq.

:rofl:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:59 PM
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43. If he sent a Mettool to find it, it'll come back destroyed.
:rofl:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:01 PM
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44. Probably going to enlist!
:patriot:

People looking for good news about an illegal war...how quaint! :P
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:06 AM
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6. That spina bifida baby was trumped up to do just that.
I really glad that little girl got treated but what about all the other dead kids piled up over there?

That shit is staged PR.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:37 PM
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12. I'm sure there are plenty of milblogs reporting the good news.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:29 PM
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14. but but but
we built a school or something. or we're planning to build a school as soon as we can get it electricity. I don't know which.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:23 PM
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18. If the "good news" was actually reported the Amerikan...
people would be even more insistent that the US/UK Occupation cease. This "good news" is so paltry that it would point out that the patheticly little "rebuilding of Iraq" which has been accomplished is surely not worth the lives and $Billions of Middle Class tax that has been and will be expended.

Here is the actual reason the Bush Regime will remain in Iraq.


"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush (Nov. 2005)



Bush Regime Iraq Successes (Phase 1)

1. Saddam will no longer sell Iraqi oil via the Euro.

2, A military foothold in the ME. Other than Saudi Arabia.

3, No countries will be able to buy Iraqi oil that the U.S. disapproves of.

4. The Multi-Intl. Oil Corps are reaping great profits.

5.The Military Industrial Complex is a booming Industry.


Phase 2?
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:03 PM
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32. Where the HELL is that school and why won't they show it??
Jesus,I've been hearing about the same school now for over two YEARS yet I've never seen it. Wonder what the address is?
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:26 PM
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38. that's why they're doin' the baby nor thang ..
give these guys credit fer sumpin'!
:sarcasm:
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:30 PM
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40. There may BE some good news but...
....how much GOOD NEWS is reported HERE??
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:38 PM
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45. This didn't make it into the American liberal media either

Even though it was a front page story in Britain's leading distinctly conservative newspaper, The Daily Telegraph

from the British Ministry of Defense

Secret MoD poll: Iraqis support attacks on troops
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 23/10/2005)

"Millions of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks against troops are justified, a secret military poll commissioned by senior officers has revealed."

link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/23/wirq23.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/23/ixportaltop.html

"Forty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified - rising to 65 per cent in the British-controlled Maysan province;

• 82 per cent are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition troops;

• less than one per cent of the population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security;

• 67 per cent of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;

• 43 per cent of Iraqis believe conditions for peace and stability have worsened;

• 72 per cent do not have confidence in the multi-national forces."

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m17469&date=05-nov-2005_03:09_ECT

"Some polls have asked Iraqis specifically about the presence of U.S. troops, and guess what: they want us to leave. A February poll by the U.S. military, cited by the Brookings Institution, found that 71 percent of Iraqis "oppose the presence of Coalition Forces in Iraq." This poll was taken only in urban areas, but others have found much the same sentiment. According to a January 2005 poll by Abu Dhabi TV/Zogby International, 82 percent of Sunni Arabs and 69 percent of Shiite Arabs favor the withdrawal of U.S. troops either immediately or after an elected government is in place."


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