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Tue Jan-10-06 08:28 PM
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What happens if Roe is overturned because of Alito |
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It would be nice to think that Samuel Alito would consider the following if he is confirmed as SC justice and he votes to overturn Roe v. Wade:
*we become a nation of "legal and illegal" abortion states, with unequal access to a right to a basic health procedure becoming a reality.
*health workers in reproductive health centers, such as Planned Parenthood, have their profession criminalized. A whole new class of potential law violators has been established.
*two generations of women who have been raised believing they have a constitutional right to determine their biological destiny are told that right is null and void. Their belief in our system of justice and law is undermined and their support for our government as fair is destroyed.
*family planning clinics receiving Title X (federal) funds are prohibited from even mentioning abortion (or they lose their funding). More than likely, they won't get funding at all unless they recommend abstinence only in their programs.
*more than likely, the ruling against Roe will also rule against the basic ruling in Griswold v. Connecticut, which established the right to privacy (of married couples) to use contraceptives. Griswold is a problem for the radical right because of its durability not only against anti-abortion laws, but also anti-gay laws.
*and what else?
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:33 PM
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Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 08:35 PM by Nutmegger
now that the Rethugs are in control of everything.
Women's health won't even be considered! Back-alley abortion will become the norm and create a spike in complications because some "guy" had to do it.:puke:
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:34 PM
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Young women from "illegal" states will travel to "legal" states for abortions.
Crazy fundie freaks will attempt to kidnap them at borders.
"Illegal" states will attempt to extradite these women back to "red" states for trial.
Civil war - bring it on.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:37 PM
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If that happens, the ball is in the GOP's hands.
All of these religious right people are going to have to take a stand on unwanted children and their health care; I wonder how they're going to take care of that problem? :dilemma:
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:49 PM
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11. Try telling that to your Repub. friends! |
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They'll just say you are being paranoid. Then when it really happens the Wall St. Journal will tell them some fairy tale about how it is really all OUR fault and they will believe it, smile, and go about their business as if nothing had happened. UGH!!!
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Tue Jan-10-06 09:07 PM
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17. What makes me laugh is that you're probably right! |
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Tue Jan-10-06 09:28 PM
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19. They will take care of the problem by ignoring it like they do now. |
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They don't give a shit once the child is born -- the child could live in squalor for all they care. But heaven forbid no one protects the child while it is in the womb.
Man, they piss me off.
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Tue Jan-10-06 09:42 PM
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21. They could care less! |
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Tue Jan-10-06 11:37 PM
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24. Don't confuse repukes with people who care. |
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The American Taliban will next move toward public hangings of people who are found guilty of crimes of vice and virtue.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:38 PM
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4. Rise the minimun wage and America will catch a dummy. |
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:39 PM
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5. How would the Repubs do any fund raising? |
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They'll never give in to the Fundy demands over abortion, gay marriage, school prayer. They just tantalize the "wackos" with it so the poor dumb bastards will keep sending checks.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:44 PM
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6. I've heard this argument and I wish it were so |
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that they really don't want Roe overturned because it would be bad for fundraising. But I have seen these folk turn against their own best interests before. They are crazy. And crazy people have wreaked havoc on the world so horribly it has been insane.
Oh god, what a mess we will be in if Roe goes!
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:48 PM
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9. Well, Roe is practically gone anyway. |
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They've been slowly eroding it while everyone's been busy fighting about it. http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/yourstate/whodecides/states/index.cfm Click on any State. Example: Kansas "96 percent of Kansas counties have no abortion provider"
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:50 PM
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14. they take the fight to the states |
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do you think that someone in, say, Indiana, who gives money to the GOP in order to "keep babies from being murdered" will no longer give money because it is now only legal to "murder babies" in, say, 10 states?
on the other hand, what happens to fundraising if it finally becomes clear that they were duped and the GOP blew its chance to save those murdered babies?
IMO, betting women's reproductive rights on the notion that the GOP won't give up abortion as a fund raising tool (when they still have gay marriage and school prayer) is awfully risky.
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Wed Jan-11-06 08:49 AM
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31. they still have Gay Marriage for fund raising |
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people always just assume if they overturn Roe v Wade, that's it.. the reps are nullified.
They still have pet hate projects to rally the troops.
People were paying attention to the 2004 election right? When they stuck Gay marriage on the ballot the sheep flocked to the polls to vote against it.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:46 PM
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7. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm choosing |
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to try to look at things differently. I am thinking (and hoping) with all the scandal currently occuring with this administration that maybe Alito won't be placed.
Why should *'s nominees be placed when he's treating laws like rough drafts? Maybe a long shot belief on my part--but since I'm continuing to fight--I'll continue to believe somehow there still may be hope.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:46 PM
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An "Underground Railroad" will spring up to help young pregnant women get to states where abortion is legal.
We will see at least one abortion doctor tried for Capital Murder, sentenced, and executed.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:48 PM
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10. Then it falls to the states, and each one will act as it sees fit. |
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So, we are right back where we were 35 years ago.
It means women and girls have to leave their home state to get an abortion, maybe go to NY or California.
It also means in some states there will be a bunch of laws that make it illegal for doctors and counselors to help a person get out of the state to get an abortion.
It means the Red States rain down hell fire on anyone connected to abortions.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:53 PM
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16. A bigger problem. Which is what constitutional right would you |
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give up without a fight? Please answer that one.
No right winger I have ever talked to would give up one single iota of a constitutional right they have. Not one. Ever. Neither should we. For the same reasons.
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Tue Jan-10-06 09:36 PM
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20. Personally, I feel that if they reverse Roe, it would kill the Pubs |
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Most Americans do not want Roe reversed. They don't want their daughters to have to find an underground railroad to get an abortion.
If the wingers ever got Roe reversed, I think the political backlash would sweep Pubs out of office on a massive scale, not seen since the Depression.
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Wed Jan-11-06 08:35 AM
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29. By then the damage is done |
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and I don't know how we could go back to the SC with another viable argument to re-legalize abortion. When the Court decided Roe it rejected several other arguments, one being the church/state separation argument. And if THAT court felt that way, what do you think THIS court would do?
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:50 PM
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12. The Republican Party would be on the outs for the next generation |
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Despite all of their pontificating, the last thing the Republicans really want is for Roe to be overturned.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:50 PM
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13. I remember when abortion was |
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illegal, why would a civilized country go back to that barbaric way of thinking? Many women were destroyed, in a way men could never understnd, and treated like a bunch of sheep. Women weren't thought to be on the same level as men back in those dark days.
My brother is gay and it's hard to believe the way he's been treated all of his life. Some idiot shot him in the neck with a bee-bee gun while he was walking down the street one day, which came very close to killing him.
I don't know why bible thumping conservatives have to be so cruel. We can't afford to go backwards.
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Wed Jan-11-06 09:04 AM
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I've been shot point blank with a BB gun in the ass and it didn't even break the skin, and it was fully pumped.
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Wed Jan-11-06 11:55 AM
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37. It might not have a BB gun |
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but a pellet gun. Anywy, it hit him in the neck almost touching his main artery. The doctor said that he should just leave it in there because of the dangers of digging around the artery. It was about 15 years ago and he feels great, the pellet is still there. He was very lucky.
I don't know why some people want to destroy things they don't understand or goes against their religious beliefs. It's insane when you think about all the pain and suffering that occurs in the name of religion.
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Tue Jan-10-06 08:52 PM
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Hope springs eternal
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Tue Jan-10-06 09:16 PM
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...on a whole shitload of condoms too, becuase that will become illegal too...
Hey, maybe they'll just ban sex...fuckers.
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Tue Jan-10-06 09:46 PM
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22. If Alito is confirmed dont worry about Roe-- Alito will cement the Cabal |
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position of power in such a way that we can forget getting the House back.
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Tue Jan-10-06 11:23 PM
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23. The women of this country will lead a revolution. |
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I'll lead it if need be. Women in this country won't allow it to stand if it should happen.
Figures the women would have to take charge! ;)
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Tue Jan-10-06 11:57 PM
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Reinstate Roe, end the wars, or no nookie.
Period.
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Wed Jan-11-06 08:57 AM
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32. Sadly, I don't think that's true. |
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Most women I know are more concerned with their current situation then anything else. So, for those who are at a stage in life where they can handle an unplanned pregnancy, this is a non-issue.
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Wed Jan-11-06 09:06 AM
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35. we should have had that revolution a long time ago |
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it's about time we took the power away from the old rich white men. They have done nothing but tear this country apart.
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Wed Jan-11-06 12:35 PM
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Wed Jan-11-06 12:31 AM
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26. The Republican Party would implode |
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Even many Republicans consider themselves pro-choice and would leave the Repug party in droves. Sure, the fake Christians would stay...all 5 million of them...but that issue would rip open the veneer and people would start seeing that the Repug party was up to no good...my two cents...
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Wed Jan-11-06 06:52 AM
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27. it reverts to the states -- and that is what they want. |
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and mostly that is where we are at now -- look at mississippi for example with just one abortion provider in the entire state.
womens rights and gay rights go hand in hand.
if there is a diminution of of laws protecting womens health care -- it follows that there will be a diminution of rights over what people can do in the bedroom -- or getting married.
you will also see and extremely active push to restore prayer in schools.
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Wed Jan-11-06 08:41 AM
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30. Yep. Just look at the Lawrence sodomy law case in Texas |
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what a ringing endorsement of the right to privacy using Griswold that was! The rwers had a shitfit. They DESPISE Griswold because it so eloquently makes the case of the Enlightenment. God forbid we should have enlightenment.
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Wed Jan-11-06 07:01 AM
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28. they are already severely limiting them in the states |
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with impossible and simply bogus regulations. It is their intention to make them impossible to get even if they remain legal.
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Wed Jan-11-06 09:01 AM
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33. I don't think that R v. W |
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would be turned over, it's political suicide. Polls show that americans want women to have the right to chose what to do with their own body. Nobody is pro-abortion, just pro-choice or anti-choice.
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Wed Jan-11-06 10:32 AM
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36. I buy a boat and start a new ferry to Canada. |
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I'm kidding about the boat thing, it's likely a lot more complicated than it seems on paper. Women in the Detroit area will be able to travel to Windsor to get an abortion, as long as they have cash to pay for the service and a passport (whenever that policy goes in to effect) to get back into this country. They can just claim they went for Lascik surgery.
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Wed Jan-11-06 12:40 PM
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39. We would once again become a democratic majority party |
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within the US....very few states would outlaw....and I think we could afford to send Planned parenthood buses to those states where it might become illegal. I could see a proper amendment to the constitution put forth...all in all, I see the outcome for the future as positive if this were the result.
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