"INCOMPETENT" And "UNFORGIVABLE"... Hillary Clinton To Bush 43...

[rodeodance]

Go Hillary Gl.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/#a013592

"INCOMPETENT" And "UNFORGIVABLE"... Hillary Clinton To Bush 43...

ABC News | January 10, 2006 at 11:11 PM
READ MORE: Iraq

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called the Bush administration "incompetent" when it came to protecting the troops in combat and called the lack of adequate body armor for soldiers and Marines "unforgivable."

So far in Iraq, more than 2,100 American troops have been killed. Critics like Clinton, D-N.Y., say that many of these deaths are the result of inadequate body armor. A secret Pentagon study of 93 Marines who were killed in Iraq found that 74 died after they were hit by a bullet or shrapnel in the torso or shoulders -- areas unprotected by the armor most are issued.

[opihimoimoi]

1. Go Hillary....you go girl.....

[still_one]

2. where was she two years ago?

remember when rummy went to iraq, and one of the soldiers informed the world that they couldn't even get the body armor...

She is a day late and a dollar short as most of the pro-war democrats are

[acmavm]

3. The government (or whomever) hadn't released a study saying that

80% of the chest wounds that the soldiers have suffered (and died from in a lot of cases) could have been prevented or minimized by body armor. I mean, you gotta have an official study before it's true, right? People screaming about this for over two years doesn't mean anything, not if you don't have that official report.

[still_one]

5. You didn't need a study to know what was happening

A year after we invaded IRAQ based on a lie, stories were coming out how the soldiers didn't have the proper equipment

Parents were buying their own body armour for their kids. They knew about it. In fact Murtha recently acknowledged the failure recently.

The problem was they were waiting tell his poll numbers dropped before critisizing him

That is my take on the situation

To change the subject briefly,

I am waiting to see how the Democrats stand on Alito nomination. If they all stand together he can be stopped

If they would have all stood together on the IWR, this insanity could have been stopped

[karynnj]

18. Kerry and Kennedy were complaing

even in 2003 about the lack of body armor - It is likely others were too. All Democrats should be making statements now because it is still a problem. This goes way beyond the question of whether we should have gone to war. Even if this were a war we needed to fight - which it wasn't - you can't justify cutting costs by not giving soldiers the best armor available.

[karynnj]

17. I hope this was intended as sarcasm

It seems obvious to me that we should pay for and give the soldiers the best available armor.

If you were there, would you wait for a report? Or demand body armor immediately.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Um, she spoke out hard about it then as well.

I realize it is disappointing that the Dems have no power, but don't confuse that with doing nothing.

[Wilms]

4. And Hillary, you were "incompetent" when it came to protecting the troops

You helped that murderer send them there in the first place.

[still_one]

6. you said what I was thinking

and she was NOT the only one

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Why post anything good about Hillary here at all?

Sooner or later, a bunch of anti-Hillary posts show up on the thread. It's a useless effort.

Oh, I'm too late.

[xiamiam]

10. iits not anti Hillary..its anti politics as usual in light of the criminal

administration ..where has Hillary been while John Conyers et al have been tirelessly working to save our democracy...I'm sick of the middle of the road pandering...we're in serious trouble and Hillary is just a little too late...give me a break...incompetent and unforgiveable?...no kidding...

[harlinchi]

12. It is not useless. Sen. Clinton does many good things.

She is neither my first nor my second choice but I'll work for her election if she is the nominee. I think the folks who complain will too. This issue has legs. She, more than most, is able to recognize an issue that likely will grow. She is intelligent and canny, with a good sense of the 'politically fortuitous' response. She either learned something from the Big Dog or she developed that sense herself.

I'm a Clark supporter but don't let folks try to muzzle Sen. Clinton or those who post about her.

[LWolf]

13. Would you like some cheese

with that whine?

I'm happy to thank Hillary for saying or doing something that opposes the Bush admin's atrocities. I can do that without pretending that she hasn't supported some of them all along.

Democrats don't have to praise someone for good things and shut up about the bad; we don't really need cult-like devotion to prominent leaders. We've got the RW and GWB for that kind of behavior. We get to recognize and discuss both positive and negative traits, words, and actions. It's called honesty.

[Connie_Corleone]

14. Give me the damn cheese then.

I just notice it because I don't see the same type of vitriol on positive threads about other Democratic senators who voted for the war and still support not withdrawing soon from Iraq. It seems more of an anti-Hillary thing because some people are scared to death she will be the nominee in 2008...if she runs.

But go ahead and call it whining if you want to. I don't give a damn anymore.

[LWolf]

24. Actually, I think you are right about this:

People are scared she'll be the nominee. She's been so well vilified by republicans that all you have to do is say "Hillary" and all the local republican voters who don't actually know anything about her at all start foaming at the mouth. I think the fear is that she is likely to trigger a swell "I don't like _____, but I have to vote against Hillary" votes, losing the effort to sway some of the "middle." The propaganda machine has worked on her too efficiently for too long to be overcome easily.

Personally, I don't dislike the woman. I don't agree with her on many points, and I'm not happy with some of her votes in the Senate. I think that's a pretty good reason to oppose her nomination. If you take the above, and add the dems unhappy with her performance in the senate, it doesn't add up to a good choice, imo.

Of course, I feel the same about all the other Democratic Hawks. I'm happy to thank them for anything positive they say or do from this point forward, but I'm not going to support sending them to the WH.

[MsMagnificent]

19. Not one of us is perfect

Not one of us is impeccable, mistake less; perfect in every way, every day.

Including Bill.
Including Hillary.

If we did NOT voice our full opinions --both good and bad-- of our Democratic elected officials, we would be no different
--as a matter of fact, exactly the same--
as the Freepers who constantly fight to the last tick that their politicians, even the most 'ethically challenged' or avaricious or even downright evil, are always automatically correct and constantly truthful right down to their little halo (or horns) and golden strumming harp or panpipes.

We Democrats, for the vast majority, are not like that.
We understand that our elected officials work for us, not we for them. We understand that it is our duty to call them out when they transgress. If they do not step up to the podium, it is our duty to keep them responsible.
I personally will probably never be able to fully get over my outrage over the way Bill Clinton handled the Waco tragedy nor the Rwandan genocide. But those are --as horrific and heartbreaking as they are-- finite and limited mistakes, even with their vast magnitude; and I do not believe they were decided upon due to deliberately evil sentiments.

We are family. For the most part we get along. When we have our falling outs we DO get angry but that does not mean they are all bad in everything they do.
Well, most of them most of the time.
And we eventually get over it, or at least recognize and fit these incidents into the big picture.
Mostly.

Hillary is still quite the hawk, and for the life of me I cannot find out why -- I cannot find anywhere her entire philosophy on still so wholeheartedly supporting this travesty of a war built upon greed and lies.

And I truly hope she comes clean with us, and relatively soon. Even if I don't agree with it, I'd like to know and consider on what basis she has come to her convictions. I don't have to necessarily agree -- but I need to understand WHY.

If Hillary runs for the presidency, as a confirmed feminist and lifelong Democrat it would literally KILL ME to not vote for her -- and truthfully, depending upon the conditions of the time it is very probable I'd vote for her even if I was unsatisfied and extremely unhappy with her reticence in revealing or allowing us to understand her logic, reasoning and thought processes. Al Gore was a huge greedy big Pharma supporter also, even to the deaths of millions of the worlds denizens infected by AIDS especially in dirt poor 3rd world countries; but that one issue wasn't going to make me ignore or throw away him as a whole... especially regarding the other alternative
...and, as human nature goes, this will probably happen with Senator Clinton too.

But she at least is VERY capable of analytical thinking and SENSE -- Common and other. And, for the most part, I still do trust her and believe she has a truly compassionate and ethical heart and mind. Beyond that, I guess it's a question of weighing all the evidence and deciding upon a preponderance of the evidence.

But questioning and voicing ultra important concerns about people who can literally change the world in the most important ways with a mere stroke of their pen or conviction of their will is OUR duty; rather than angelicizing her, declaring her perfect and issuing her an unquestioned Blank Check just because she happens to belong to our Party.


Perhaps that is the essence of the difference between Democrats and Republicans, on the whole.

And there is no question whatsoever which group with which ethics I would stand behind.
God be with us, and with whom we put our faith in.

[enough already]

9. How courageous of her

I'm sure this is a great comfort to the families of the dead and the permanently disabled who are suffering thanks to her vote to support this clusterfuck.

[LWolf]

11. Good to hear. n/t

[Atman]

15. "Then she voted to give Bush more money and less oversight"

*sigh*

[NoFederales]

16. A little late, perhaps, but it's good to hear her go after the * admn. nm

NoFederales

[erpowers]

20. The Problem

My problem is that now days I tend to think everything Clinton says is about trying to get elected. It seems she is trying to walk a line that will get her elected instead of just standing up for certain things.

I will applaud Clinton for coming out and saying this. However, I will also slightly echo the statement of someone who posted here "where was she two years ago". For me this statement is not about her vote for the war, but the fact that this is an issue that has been going on for about two years. Reports have been coming out saying that soldiers do not have adequate body armor and equipment since the war began. This is at least the second time a report like this has come out. The Army put out a report that claimed that about a third of the casualties of the war came as a result of soldiers not having body armor. This report came out about a year or two ago. It is possible that the Army report came out during or before the presidential election.

Also, on a connected note the Army War College has put out at least one report that is critical of the Iraq War. The report claimed that the war in Iraq had actually hurt the War on Terrorism. This report came out during the Democratic Primaries of 2004. This may be one reason the Army War College was on the chopping block in the recent base closing plan.

[otohara]

21. 5 Years Later - Administration is Incompetent - That's Funny

This is not something new Sen. Clinton. She should have been saying this everyday for the last 5 years.

[Little Star]

22. Wake me up I must be dreaming

She actually took a stand on something that was not moderate before her run for the presidency?????? Are the chickens coming home to roost?????
I live Hill and Bill. The ONLY thing that I abhorred during Bill's time was NAFTA. I believe he either sold us out or he didn't make sure there was no wiggle room for Corporations and other countries to take advantage of.

I have also been very fond of Hillary. Lately she is carrying the moderate stance wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy to far.

[SaveElmer]

23. She is clearly kissin Bush's ass...

:sarcasm: