Damn! Kennedy and Specter are REALLY going at it!

[Vinnie From Indy]

[acmejack]

1. Specter is a prick

he must be fully recovered

[guidod]

25. Kennedy is making Specter look

like the dick that he is. Specter was stuttering and stammering. Kennedy kick ass.

[ChiciB1]

35. SURE TO MAKE TONIGHT'S Headlines... Maybe???

At least I think KEITH will do something!

Alito has been "skirting" for at least 2 days now, seems he's NOT exactly as accomplished at his A-One Ratings from the Bar Association have touted him to be!!

I keep envisioning him as a pubescent 15 year old even at the age of 55! Wonder what he looked and SOUNDED like at 15!! What sweet little Cherub he must have been!!

This coming from one who was brought up as a very very strict Catholic!

[guidod]

52. Whe should get a lot of laughs

with Keith tonight. Today is a GREAT day to be a Liberal, and I think it's going to be a year of truth.

[ChiciB1]

72. Well, Looks Like That Go PANNED!!

Absolutely UNREAL... Alito's wife starts crying and everything goes away!

We Do Not live in a Democracy, that much I know!

[guidod]

74. There's a Democracy in there somewhere

I thinnk we need some dems with nads big enough to do something about it. The air sure went out of my balloone fast.

[dflprincess]

40. There is no one like Teddy when he's on his game

I'm stuck in my cube - I hope I can catch a repeat of this on CSPAN.

Do you ever wonder if Ted looks at Spector and feels the urge to say "Magic bullet, my ass."

[guidod]

51. Sorry about your cube

I'm retired and staring at C-SPAN, they're at lunch now. Spector is really showing why he shouldn't be where he is. Kennedy is really on top today!

[AntiCoup2K4]

55. Good question

How can Ted work with this scumbag who covered up his brother's murder anyway?

[FreedomAngel82]

60. I wouldn't be surprised

I know I'd be saying it if I was there. It would be very hard for me to believe ANYthing Spector ever said after that. I would at least have to look everything up he said.

[Proud_Lefty]

2. I say we all call Spector's office

He's full of crap!!!!

[Oceansaway]

4. got the number ?

[Proud_Lefty]

13. I'll look it up

I usually send emails

[Proud_Lefty]

26. Spectors' number [phone]

[Oceansaway]

30. thanks P-L...n/t

[Oceansaway]

32. dang it....the phones off the hook or lots of calls are

being made....i'll keep trying....

[RepublicanElephant]

3. repubs very touchy about alito racism. n/t

.

[meegbear]

5. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY SAYING?????

If you're gonna post, fucking SAY what's going on!

[Proud_Lefty]

11. Kennedy wants to subpoena Alito's records

on that racist group he was so proud of. Spector tried to sweep it under the carpet and say he'd consider it, and Kennedy demanded action now. I almost started crying with joy. They all need to do that. Speak for the people and quit bullshitting us.

[Divernan]

23. Also, Alito denied any memory of some very memorable matters.

This Princeton group he proudly claimed membership in a 1985 or so job application to the Justice Dept., was in a very public fight with the Princeton administration in 1984. Bill Bradley very publicly ended his membership in the group. There were letters to ALL PRINCETON ALUMNI FROM THE PRESIDENT OF PRINCETON CONDEMNING THE GROUP, AND A FOLLOWUP EDITORIAL IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ENDORSING THE PRINCETON PRESIDENT'S ACTION IN CONDEMNING THE GROUP. Alito was living in New Jersey at the time - he had to have received the letter and at least heard about the editorial. Yet he not only maintained his membership is this racist, sexist, homophobic group, but bragged about it on a job application to the Reagan administration.

[cantstandbush]

48. He's a lair. Grounds enough for voting him down without a second

thought.

[guidod]

68. Aldicko sure has a selective memory doesn't he?

[Vinnie From Indy]

6. KEnnedy has asked for records of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton

Specter got snippy and Kennedy called for "executive session" and Specter went nuts! He said he would "not let Kennedy run the committee".

[Vinnie From Indy]

19. Kennedy wants the CAP records because Alito put the org on his

earlier application to be a judge. Kennedy wants the records because the CAP org has made some extreme comments in the past. Alito claims not to remember the extremist language from CAP and he gave the OK to Kennedy to ask for the records from CAP. Specter attacked Kennedy by saying to Kennedy "You have never asked me for thsie records". Kennedy said that he had a letter right there with him that asked for that very thing. Specter went bonkers and started telling Kennedy that "he was in no position to tell him (Specter) what he has or hasn't received". KEnnedy asked for "executive session" and Specter lost it and started bellowing that Kennedy "can't tell him what to do"

[herbbrown]

21. CAP

The Concerned Alumni of Princeton (CAP) was a group of politically conservative former Princeton University students that existed between 1972 and 1986. Its main purpose was to protest Princeton's position prohibiting recruitment by the ROTC. CAP also opposed affirmative action designed to increase minority attendance at the Ivy League institution, though it supported affirmative action for athletes and the children of alumni.

The existence of the organization attracted wide notice during the nomination of former CAP member Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court of the United States, as Alito included his membership in the organization on a job application to work in the Reagan administration in the 1980s.

[ellenfl]

49. cap? i thought that stood for

cocaine-addicted alcoholic president. :shrug: sheesh.

ellen fl

[herbbrown]

54. Well that goes without saying!

[displacedtexan]

7. I've delivered docs to senators, and there is a signed receipt.

Teddy K. is my hero today! I just wish he'd detailed the process
of delivering letters to each other.

On edit: Specter says he never got Kennedy's letter.

[leftstreet]

12. Specter: "What's mailed isn't always what's received" WTF?

That made no sense

[SujiwanKenobee]

29. Basically, he is saying he only sees what he wants to "see"

A defense used against any delivery from someone you don't want to be trapped by: the "I never personally received/saw/recognized" the item.

[displacedtexan]

45. No, it doesn't make sense.

It's a ie. It's obviously more important for Specter to appear
adamant on TV (to the viewing sheeple) than to admit the truth.

Senators don't just drop letters into a mailbox. I delivered many
pieces of correspondence from one senator to another two years
ago... Signed, sealed, delivered, and acknowledgment receipt in hand.

[MADem]

37. Specter fucked himself--he did get the letter

Kennedy put his staff's response into the record right before chow!

[Chimichurri]

41. excellent move!

why is specter doing Bush's bidding? Maybe they have dirt on him.

[MADem]

44. I think Specter's STAFF fucked him, frankly n/t

[still_one]

8. specter is an ass

it is interesting that he has lymphoma, and the people he will get into these positions will insure that stem cell research is destroyed in this country

[zbdent]

33. There have been enough "conservatives" who publicly oppose

stem cell research who have gone on trips to China . . .

[Eurobabe]

9. WOOHOO go get em Teddy!

Specter is trying to poo-poo this request for the documents that would shed light on Alito's involvement in CAP.

[leftchick]

10. I can hear the shreaders warming up now

:grr:

[Debau2005]

15. I was thinking the same thing.

His staff is probably running around like burning chickens....

[Divernan]

27. Yeah, Specter immediately turned to staff member and started giving orders

I think Specter was caught by surprise and that some staff member "lost" or otherwise didn't respond to Kennedy's request, and somebody's head is going to roll - especially the somebody in Specter's office who signed for receipt of Kennedy's request.

[flyarm]

50. documents are in library of congress under seal..from a member of cap

they are supposed to be sealed until that members death..thise are what Kennedy wants subpoenaed
there will be no shredding...

fly

[masshole]

14. "just because you mailed it doesn't mean I received it"

LMAO

[BigYawn]

53. How come every frigging "bill" finds its way in my mail box?

Can't I plead the Specter argument "I never received that
friggi bill"? I guess not, I am not a friggin senator!

[shance]

67. These Republicans are eight year olds...dishonest eight year olds at that

n/t

[ellenfl]

73. but specter started by saying the he got the letter!

when teddy said 'oh, you got the letter?' specter backtracked and started in on teddy. i just watched that part and specter definitely said he got 'the' letter. what else could he mean?

ellen fl

[Divernan]

16. Kennedy obviously touched a nerve!

Very rare for a chairman to lose temper and shout like Specter just did. And I believe any member of the committee always has the right to request they go to executive session. I think there's something rather nasty in those records, and Specter knows it.

[peacetalksforall]

17. Kennedy asked for a vote in closed session about issuing a subpoena

to get the CAP? records because of the discrimination involved and the inability of Alilto to remember it.

Spector objected because Kennedy had not approaced him privately. Kennedy said he sent a letter in December and and (unfortuanately said that Spector had received it). Spector went ballistic because Kennedy assumed he had received it.

Spector wouldn't allow the session.

Is that what I heard - abbreviated?

[cboy4]

18. "I am the chairman of this committee...."

Yea, well Mr. Specter, you won't be saying that when the Dems retake congress later this year.

So hunn, you go ahead get all of your acting in charge out of your system now while you can do it

[MADem]

64. And BUSH tried like hell to REMOVE HIM--some key info here

Remember that little imbroglio? Arlen dug in and kept the chair, but the White House wanted him outta that seat...

I think a little insight and recent history (2004) on Arlen is INSTRUCTIVE here: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04319/411683.stm

Specter in fight to chair Judiciary panel
Sunday, November 14, 2004

By Michael McGough, Post-Gazette National Bureau

Washington --

Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the prospective chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a supporter of abortion rights, throws down the gauntlet by warning President Bush not to nominate anyone to the U.S. Supreme Court who would reverse Roe v. Wade.

Anti-abortion groups and other conservatives launch a campaign on the Internet to remove Specter from the chairmanship before it is officially his, confident that if they succeed, the way will be clear for President Bush to begin the demolition job on abortion rights by recommending avowedly pro-life nominees.......No sooner had Specter won-re-election than he told a reporter in Philadelphia that it was unlikely that the Senate would confirm "judges who would change the right of a woman to choose overturn Roe v. Wade."

Despite a clarification in which Specter said he had not issued a warning to Bush and would not impose a litmus test on nominees, conservative and religious activists and bloggers launched a campaign to deny him the chairmanship to which his seniority entitles him.

On Tuesday some conservative groups will stage a "pray-in" in Washington as part of the anti-Specter campaign.........

[leftstreet]

20. Email for Kennedy

http://kennedy.senate.gov/contact.html

And yes, this contact form does allow non-constituent zip code mails.

[catmother]

31. i just sent him an e-mail. nt

[Oceansaway]

34. i just sent him an e-mail too....

[catmother]

22. jeez. i left the tv for a few minutes and i missed all that. nt

[peacetalksforall]

24. What it all means is that due process of the Senate wasn't followed.

Yes, there must be something to awful in those CAP records. Why wouldn't an Appellate Judge cite two memberships and then not remember anything about one of them.

I've got more stuff to remember than Alito because of age and I know what I joined and why and what they did and why I did it. Politics equates to erased memories when the stakes are this high. Maybe Graham can counsel Alito again and bring a hypnotist.

[MADem]

38. There is gonna be A PROBLEM GETTING THEM

They are in the Library of Congress, and some asshole has to give permission to get them out. They are SHIELDED, like shit at the goddamn Bush Library. http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=20029

[stepnw1f]

56. Well, Then...

They will have to fillibuster (E)lito, won't they?

[MADem]

57. ANY LIBRARIANS HERE??? I have a question

It would seem to me that an agency of the government should have unfettered access to any documents stored in the LoC. Congress's library, Congress should have access to everything in there.

I realize that the Rusher papers have a codicil of sorts attached to them, requiring Rusher to approve viewing, but I should think a Judiciary Committee request should trump Rusher's desire to regulate access to the documents.

I do not know the answer to this query. I know People for the American Way have asked for access (some months ago) and haven't gotten it yet. But this stinks....

BIDEN IS GOING AFTER HIM on CAP right now...I hope his staff is paying attention and feeding him te tough questions....

[stepnw1f]

59. I Wish I Could Watch

Instead I keep browsing DU while I'm supposed to work!!!! Damn... I'm a political junky and it's all DU's fault.

[MADem]

61. Do you have an earpiece??? Or a set of headphones???

Plug in and get over to CSPAN on line!!! This is some good shit going down!

Alternatively, if you have a radio, see if you can find it on the dial--it is WORTH hearing...and you can get plenty without the pictures. I am online, with the tube off to the side--I glance over when the shit gets heated!

[stepnw1f]

66. Thanks

I'll find a pair.

[Proud_Lefty]

28. I tried emailing Spector; his webpage is crashed

Phone is busy too.

[fooj]

69. Serves the rat bastard right!

I hope it rings off the hook!

peace.

[No Exit]

36. Samuel Alito: the "I Don't Recall" justice

Can't you just see this asshole in his future life as an SC justice?

He won't even be able to recall what he was working on yesterday. "I'd call my clerk to ask him if he's finished writing the opinion, but I can't recall my clerk's name... what're my other clerks' names? Darn... I can't recall. Wonder what's for lunch? I'd call home and ask, but I can't recall the number.... Time to go home from my first day at this job (what's the name of this job again? I can't recall)... too bad I have no specific memory of my address."

(Notice I referred to his clerk as a "he". OH, yeah...)

[buff2]

39. Specter showed his RIGHTWING ASS today!!!!!

All those that were praising him yesterday and saying what a "nice guy" he is,ought to take another look. I thought he was a smart mouthed prick today and very disrespectful to Senator Kennedy.No matter how hard one might try to make a nice person out of a repuke.....IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Republicans are NOT nice people,they are mean,nasty,disrespectful,greedy,power grabbing SOB's who think they know it all. That temper tantrum that Specter threw was uncalled for. Just because someone was trying to get at the truth,he has a shit fit. I can't stomach any of those repukes. They make me sick. :puke:

[CrazyOrangeCat]

42. yep . . .

. . . just because the guy has cancer is no reason to think he's a nice guy. His actions on the bogus Warren Commission investigation alone, show what kind of man he is. He's a prick.

[buff2]

46. I felt sorry for him when he was going through the cancer ordeal

A normal person would stop and think....and be grateful they survived and try to be a better person,but not the repukes. It's as hard for them to be a nice and decent person as it is a Dem having a spine. :hi:

[CrazyOrangeCat]

47. your signature line . . . so very true.

:thumbsup:

[MADem]

62. He is always pissed at Ted, because Ted is such a damn lion

...and he is so senior, he can sit his ass down at any committee he wants. Ted has more stature than the chair or even the ranking at Judiciary, in the big picture, and that chaps the shit out of Arlen. He can't be prom queen even when he throws the prom, and it pisses him off, and every now and again, it shows....!

[woodsprite]

63. Maybe that's why freep types were told not to watch today. n/t

[MADem]

43. WHAT IS IN THE RUSHER PAPERS that Kennedy refers to!!!

Rusher's concern with what he regarded as the liberal bias of the national media is featured in files relating to the National News Council . Correspondence, reports, minutes of meetings, and other material document the bipartisan council's work in monitoring the press and arbitrating disputes over the fairness of news stories. Also in the file are Rusher's records pertaining to the organization Concerned Alumni of Princeton documenting his objections to the intolerance by liberals of conservative views and traditional values at Princeton University and other colleges. The Subject File also focuses on conservative opinion regarding the government of South Africa and other African countries. Included are extensive files related to the American-African Affairs Association launched by conservative thinkers to counter the opposite views of the African-American Institute .

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?faid/faid:@field(DOCID+ms001041)#DIA

[herbbrown]

58. Specter just said he's ready to make a ruling

on Kennedy's request but waiting for Ted to return. Where's Ted he's been on lunch for a hour twenty? No, Seriously both Senators after lunch talked about CAP it's kind of setting up to be a big point.

[bobthedrummer]

65. Well, Specter was the source of the "magic bullet theory"

that "proved" Lee Harvey Oswald was the only person responsible for the assassination of Ted's brother, maybe that fact still is a dynamic-among many others.


edited for spelling

[d_b]

70. Exactly

[sandrakae]

71. Senator Specter is a lying hypocrite.

I watched the video twice in MSNBC. He starts to say he did receive the letter. Senator Kennedy asks quizzically, you did receive the letter? Specter starts to attack him and say he has no way of knowing what he received. He just a second prior said he received it. I watched it again to make sure I was misinterpreting things. I was not. I am going to have to send my senator a scathing letter, for which his staffers will wait 6 months to reply to. Maybe that is the problem he needs to fire his staff, they obviously have issues delivering him his mail.