KOS: Bush to criminalize protesters under Patriot Act as "disruptors"

[sweetm2475]

Posted first on the Malloy thread by cal04: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=114590&mesg_id=115462

by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse
Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:27:26 PM PDT

Bush wants to create the new criminal of "disruptor" who can be jailed for the crime of "disruptive behavior." A "little-noticed provision" in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of "disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics." Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with "breaching security" and to charge for "entering a restricted area" which is "where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting." In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.

* Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse's diary :: ::
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Who is the "disruptor"? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by criticizing his policies. A disruptor is also a person who interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush when he is speaking at a press conference or during an interview.

What are the parameters of the crime of "disruptive behavior"? The dictionary defines "disruptive" as "characterized by unrest or disorder or insubordination." The American Medical Association defines disruptive behavior as a "style of interaction" with people that interferes with patient care, and can include behavior such as "foul language; rude, loud or offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family members."

What are the rules of engagement for "disruptors"? Some Bush Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.

More at Daily Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/11/212726/954

[yknot]

1. My bags are packed. Adios America it was nice knowing you. n/t

[AX10]

5. Canada might be going in the same direction we are.

So don't plan on going there.

[sweetm2475]

6. really?

Huh? well there go my plans. what place is safe? :scared:

[yellowdogmi]

36. Una mas cervasa por favor senorita

A song by Jerry Jeff Walker that contains my answer. Mexico.

[Delphinus]

72. One more beer please, miss?

Did I read that correctly?

[yellowdogmi]

76. Yes you did.

And that is about the extent of my spanish. Also a fine song by Tommy Alverson. Just something to think about when you contemplate moving south of the border.
:shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

20. Bush may be planning a Canadian Anschluss

better to flee South and put as much Continent as you can between yourself and the mad emperor.

[Canuckistanian]

60. I wouldn't say that exactly

Even with a Conservative government, we're still far, far more liberal and progressive than the US.

[napi21]

2. I don't believe this one. It sounds like another scare tactic to me.

I'm not saying I'd be in any danger because I wouldn't attend any even HE was having! Can't stand the creap.

I just don't see something like this making it past the first try.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. I'm not ruling it out

Bush is a fascists after all.

[Douglas Carpenter]

3. very disturbing

[Atman]

4. And don't forget "annoying internet posts."

They're covering all the bases. Soon, saying anything against BushCo will get you a trip to the Gulag.

[TheGunslinger]

64. And *GASP* can you imagine the horrific damage to national security IF...

someone posts an annoying message on the internets from a wireless device *while* they are protesting outside of a "free speech zone"?!?!?!


The horror....the horror....the horror....

[0007]

69. junior is gonna get his way one way or the orther.

I guess he'd have Cindy Sheehan arrested first, eh?

Ya just gotta know that junior has his people working these boards.

[bliss_eternal]

7. Can you say, "fascism" boys and girls?

I knew you could.

:grr:

[firefox]

15. Fascism, fascism, fascism

You might want to revise your spelling.

But it does remind us that it everything is about getting all the pieces in place before the final tightening of the screws.

[lxwen85]

26. The US is heading to Fascism

Not only for alleged "terrorists" but also for ordinary people.

[PDJane]

8. Welllllllll.............

one sure way to make sure that Canada is safe is to actually have a bunch of dems come up here and vote with the sane half.

[sweetm2475]

10. sounds like a plan.

got any room? lol.:evilgrin:

[txindy]

30. Move over, then

I'm taking my kids and headin' north!

[AuntiBush]

40. How Many Cats & Dogs Can One Own Up There?

Wondering how the housing costs compare from down here? Hmmm...

Isn't this just sad. Americans talking about leaving our country. Neighbors, and many folks I've met, literal strangers in store lines all saying the same damn thing.

Read over 200 comments tonight alone on this very issue: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/11/212726/954

No wonder Specter shot down Kennedy & Durbin today during the Alito questioning. We have no power. Are all Democrats enemies now? Sure seems like it.
Got news for them. Plenty of Republican voters are well past fed-up with them, as well.

Gawd... :banghead:

Edited for spelling

[mmonk]

54. see you soon

[Fovea]

9. A disruptor?

In the old days, the soviets called them 'wreckers.'

The nazis called them 'degenerates.'

Now in Amerika, they are 'disruptors.'

Look at the progress we've made*...

*Chad and Jeremy -- Progress Suite.

[NMMNG]

11. His megalomania grows worse with every passing day

Amurka is truly no longer a free country. I weep for what it has become, and despise the twisted fiends who have created it.

Do you want fascism with that?

[progressoid]

12. Here's a link to the WaPo article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/12/AR2005121201448.html

[jillan]

13. Then we should be able to criminalize politicians that are disrupting

our country, and our freedoms.

[fooj]

27. No shit! How many laws are these rat bastards going to break!!!

Damn it! I think the REVOLUTION is NOW!!!

Peace.

[flyarm]

32. you say you want a revolution??

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right


:hi: :hug:

fly

[sweetm2475]

33. nice. thanks for the lyrics. I'm down for a revolution.

Let's DU this!!!!:patriot:

[Erika]

14. W is the most pathetic and divisive president we've ever had

And losing ground every day. He better know when he needs to knock off his attitude or he'll be the laughing stock of historians. He can bleat whatever he wants, but he won't get what he wants.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Bush is a dictator and he is turning the Secret Service into the SS

just as Hitler had his own SS bodyguards.

[ninkasi]

34. Well, he's already admitted to ignoring the 4th amendment...

may as well do away with that pesky 1st one while he's at it. The only one left will be the 2nd amendment, because THAT would cause his base to rebel.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. So what if it's a reporter who

asks a question and than wants to challenge him with a follow up? Does that count too? Does that mean protesting anywhere in the country or just when he's around?

[mzmolly]

18. Just when you think "it can't get any worse ..."

it does.

[Gman]

19. They're begging for a full fledge civil war

at this rate. Telling people that disagree they're giving aid and comfort, and now criminalizing the first amendment right to free speech.

Nothing good can come of any of this.

[adolfo]

28. Hope not

I hope that day never comes.

[TankLV]

70. Actually, I do hope it's soon. I'm real tired of this bunch of criminals

running rough shod over the rest of us and not "playing fair".

There comes a time when that's "the last straw".

I hope the day of reckoning comes soon.

I now can thoroughly understand why the French and Russians did what they did during their revolutions.

[ClayZ]

21. Camping, anyone? Is this true?

http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm

Operation Garden Plot

The United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2

The following information was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. The original printing was of June 1, 1984. The information herein is UNCLASSIFIED and does not come within the scope of directions governing the protection of information affecting the national security.

It took a little more than three years to obtain a full copy of Operation Garden Plot from the U.S. Government, and was done so under the freedom of information act for unclassified documents. The implications within the full context of this document should make the hair on the back of your head stand on end!!!!!

In this document signed by the Secretary of the Army, is hereby assigned as DOD Executive Agent for civil disturbance control operations. Under Plan 55-2 he is to use airlift and logistical support, in assisting appropriate military commanders in the 50 states, District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and US possessions and territories, or any political subdivision thereof.

[Digit]

37. See the link above if you want to get scared

I want my country back.

[AuntiBush]

38. Speechless...

I'm past no longer knowing my country. Guess I can forget Canada, too, but my question is how do Canadians feel about that?

Don't think they're real happy w/*&Co either. Then again, not many are on this planet.

[satya]

67. Here's an updated (April 2005) Civil Disturbance Operations manual.

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf

[Cha]

22. FUCK YOU,

little grungymonkeyboy bush!!

[countmyvote4real]

24. The sad thing is that I believe this to be true.

There is NOTHING that the * regime has done, maligned or thrown a finger at that would indicate otherwise. It’s their way or gitmo.

Uhmm to NSA spies, do you offer meal selections like the remaining public airlines? If so, I'd like to request an organic free range chicken. Oh, and please hold the piss on the Koran and my personal copy of 1984.

[lxwen85]

25. What is Bush doing?

Under the name of "anti-terrorism", Bush can do everything to violate people's civil rights.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

42. Welcome to DU, lxwen85!!

:hi:

[SONUVABUSH]

29. Once you are in jail.....

Bush will have you tortured because this will protect other Americans since it is his right in this war on "TERRAH".

[GuvWurld]

31. Who here has not yet visited the Manchurian Nation?

http://guvwurld.blogspot.com/2005/10/we-are-being-set-up-manchurian-nation.html

[Digit]

35. I saw this and recalled my post from Oct 15th 2005....

It involved job postings on Careerbuilder.com whereby they were hiring Secret Service employees nationwide...or at least the post said nationwide. I wondered at the time if they were building the SS workforce for some particular "reason".
Oh, I don't know if that means that the job locations are actually in DC or at locations thruout the US.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5066563

Oh, and I am a former federal employee, so I realize what grades mean....so let us not re-visit that issue.

[windbreeze]

58. Remember...the 10,000 alleged criminals rounded up at once?

nationwide....which involved the top agencies, right down to the local police forces to accomplish...I have been asking since that happened several months ago...if anyone thought it was a practice session...sadly, no one responds...someday we will awaken out of our stupor...hope it's not too late when we do..
wb

[Contrary1]

39. The Repugs will be wanting to change this

after Slumpy is out on his ass and the Dems are running things.

I can hear the howling already.

[rucky]

41. Dont Forget D.C. on February 4th Everybody!

let's show them how many people they'll have to round up to pull this shit off!

www.worldcantwait.net

[FredUptoHere]

44. cold-weather protests don't draw enough people...

the world's gonna have to wait until spring for real crowds to show up and mobilize.

[rucky]

49. If people aren't willing to be a bit uncomfortable for this.

then we are not being oppressed enough. wait until summer, then.

[sweetm2475]

50. I won't wait...

I'll be right there with you, rucky, freezing our butts off.:scared:

[eek]

59. cold weather protests

<<cold-weather protests don't draw enough people>>

Baloney!
The millions and millions of people around the world who showed up for the Feb 15, 2003 anti-war protests would suggest otherrwise.

I was at the one in NYC. Even though the airspace above the city was closed thus preventing any good aeriel photos to show the throngs.
made it easier to lie with implausibly low figures .

I *know* there were more than a million people there:

The Macy's Day Parade and Times Square New years Rockin' Eve reportedly draw a couple of million (even if those numbers are exaggerated a bit).
Most NYers have a general idea of the size and scope of those events; the size of crowd, how many streets and blocks are taken up, right?
Well neither of those events covered nearly as much area as the Feb 15th demonstration.
It was farkin' freezing that day, btw. Freezing but glorious.

[WinkyDink]

65. I beg to differ.

I was VERY cold in NYC that halcyon month before the war.

[leveymg]

43. Self-delete

[Nothing Without Hope]

45. QUESTION: Would they also include REPORTERS who might tell the truth?

I'm betting they would.

Fascism increasingly unveiled. Those arrested could lose all rights and be labeled as terrorists. Rule by fear, intimidation, and example-making, with removal of those who most defiantly dare to speak up.

K & R

[WinkyDink]

66. Including the right to vote.

[Loonman]

46. Fascism, baby

Bush must be a huge Hitler fan.

[Mme. Defarge]

77. Heil Baby!

[foreverdem]

47. No 'right to assemble'?

So this means anyone who exercises their Constitutional right to assemble can now be deemed a disruptor?

[zann725]

48. As the Constitution entirely dries up and blows away...

[LynneSin]

51. Good, the someone arrest Fred Phelps and his ilk for the crap they do

Because we have legally held protests in DC or NYC and you can guarentee the Fred Phelps idiots will show up with their signs of hate. They are infiltrating OUR legally setup protest so therefore they should all be jailed!!

[sweetm2475]

55. Their kind of hate is the good kind....

For Bush.:hippie:

[ourbluenation]

52. so - are abortion clinic protestors disruptors too????? eom

[cookiebird]

61. Oh, heavens no

They're only trying to resuce future amurican cannon fodde--opp, my bad.
Patriots.

[Uncle Joe]

53. I wonder about those Republican Congressional Aide Thugs,

that were flown in to Florida just to stop the election workers from doing their duty to count the votes, resulting in the coup of 2000 putting Bush in to power, would they be classified as disruptors?

[kentuck]

56. It seems we have no choice but to challenge them in the streets..

We should refuse to be herded into "free-speech" zones. We should be willing to go to jail if necessary for civil disobedience. The time has come. This is the last straw of this fascist government. If we don't do it, no one else will. That is our decision.

[Robbins]

57. No choice

If It comes to it we may be heading to a second Civil War. The day may come when violence may be
the only way to fight. Let's hope It doesn't come to It.

[Supersedeas]

62. while you were sleeping

[Little Star]

63. Kick

everyone should read this

[OneTwentyoNine]

68. Does that also include Freeper "disruptors"??

You know,ones that drive over crosses,disrupt any political event that doesn't wash with their narrow ideology. Are they also "disruptors" Nah...didn't think so.

[unlawflcombatnt]

71. Thanks for posting this

Thanks for posting this. I had been looking for information on this.

[ContraBass Black]

73. I called it!

So, now that this complete unsurprise is occuring, what will we do about it?

[ddeclue]

74. No doubt it won't apply to the right wing redneck goons

who tried to get into the John Kerry event here in Orlando last year.

This "disruption" will not hold up in court as Constitutional for it is a clear violation of both freedom of speech and the right to assemble and peaceably redress the government for grievances as guaranteed in the First Amendment.


Doug D.

[opihimoimoi]

75. Only Egotistical Maniacs under the sway of Delusion would ALLOW THIS

The Pub Party is Guilty of supporting this madman and they should be made aware of dire consequences our Nation faces in the Facist Mode they so blindly embrace...wittingly or not.....