If no filibuster I'm leaving the Democratic party

[jn2375]

This is the last straw for me, I'll change to independent. Never thought I'd be writing this but I can't take anymore from these spineless Dems. No more campaign contributions from me. Screw them. I'm tired on the GOP making fools of the Dems they never learn!!!!!!!!!!

[WI_DEM]

1. ok, thanks for letting us know.

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[KaryninMiami]

2. I feel the same way. I'm ready to turn Green.

In addition to contacting our Senators, I think we should demand accountability of the Democratic party and start barraging Dean and the DNC with calls and letters and emails this week.

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[stray cat]

14. Kind of like 2000 - that worked really well

[iconoclastNYC]

120. How well did 2004 turn out?

We either take our party back from the spineless, the corporatists and the GOP interlopers or we abandon it and form another party.

That's the choice we face. Otherwise our country goes Fascist.

Letting the party know that we might leave it is the best tool we have to ensure change.

[Bryan]

55. And the Greens are dying to do that

Based on the literature I get and the Greens I know personally, the generally expressed stance of the Green Party is that D and R are heads on the same hydra, two different branches of the Corporate Party. Any Green Senator or Congressperson would have to be enough of a maverick cynic/pragmatist to see a point in cooperating with Dems, which is not guaranteed.

[Michigander4Dean]

146. Ready to turn green? Nader & the Repub party thank you | nt

[pocket]

3. Sure you are

Moving to France as well?

[OneTwentyoNine]

57. LOL,I thought most on DU were going to Canada....

If you could imagine packing up all your stuff,your family etc just because they don't think Dems are tough enough. Try explaining that one to the wife....

[Jeffersons Ghost]

150. the really funny thing is...

After Blair gets impeached Bush will lose his only supporter in the whole UK. Most citizens of England, Australia and Canada hate the petty spin tyrant. Since Der Fuhrer will only have enemies in the UK after Blair gets dumped, he'll likely invade Canada first for economic reasons. Any yellow-dog DUs that plan on running better run further than Canada. I'll only add, "Baby, when you attack my traditional values of God and country, I'm not running anywhere but I am willing to march on DC!"

[LittleClarkie]

4. 'K. Bye.

We'll miss you.

Don't forget to write.

As for me, on the other hand, they'll have to pry my Dem card out of my cold dead hands.

[nickshepDEM]

34. With ya' on that one.

[Neil Lisst]

47. "they'll have to pry my Dem card out of my cold dead hands."

MEGA DITTOS!!

[AZBlue]

127. Mine too!

Triple-mega dittos

[Gemini Cat]

104. Same here!

To leave the Democratic Party would be to give up. I won't give up.

[Caoimhe]

126. Agreed!

Until there I see a better way, I will stick with the Dems. They stand for what I believe in. If I vote for anyone else, I just hand the power to the Pukes.

[iconoclastNYC]

121. I doubt the overseers at the reeducation camps

will let you keep that.

"Thru work - freedom"

[xray s]

5. If no filibuster I'm working to change the Democratic Party

better plan, no?

[calico1]

Nah.

Let's vote third party and keep Republicans in office. That will show them!:eyes:

[we can do it]

7. Or Better Yet Start Another Party of Your Own.

The Waaaaaaaaaaaa Party.

[depakid]

21. Suggestions on accountability?

I'm all ears.

[AZBlue]

128. Much better plan

I'll be right there with you!

[EST]

6. You would abandon us to fight on without you?

I understand your sentiment and I, too, get so angry and depressed I could sit down and weep, but here is where the fight is.
This country has to be saved, for us, our children, all three hundred million of us. Here is where the fight is.

[LittleClarkie]

8. It's either fight or go insane

And since I'm already nuts, I guess all that's left is to fight.

[EST]

11. Nuts is a relative term (Joke intended)

[formernaderite]

84. he's abandoning...because there is NO fight

have you seen one? I'd love a fight, but these guys are ALL entrenched politicians.
I'll better you one....I dare you vote and incumbant out during the primaries. Because they're the ultimate problem. They love to talk to the cameras, but they don't do shit in terms of action.

[zanne]

142. Does the Dem leadership really want to "save" the country?

Do they really, deep down, care enough to take a stand against the tyranny we're faced with today? I'm not seeing it, and here on DU we've all been talking about how we're not seeing it for YEARS now. This isn't a knee-jerk reaction. This is the result of years of wondering whose side they're on and waiting for that "wonderful day" when they'll actually listen to us and stand up for something other than their own political futures.

[datadiva]

9. I had thoughts about that but then I stopped that kind

of thought. If I am right, which is not always the case, Supreme court justices can be impeached. If we separate, we are divided and that has been our problem for years. 2006 looks to be a year of upward movement in the Democratic party. We've had setbacks before and we overcame them eventually. Without hope in the future we are a goner for sure. So I will be doing the same things I've been doing. And that will give me the hope I need to carry on.

[ChiciB1]

62. Set-Backs Are One Thing... An Onslaught Of Disaster Is Completely

different! I won't take up the time or space here to compile a list of corruption by those in power, but I will say that NOTHING has stopped them! Nothing is ever BIG ENOUGH to stick for very long. Month after month new stuff is revealed and here we sit, still in the same place, with the same crap and the same corrupt ones dishing it out!

REV-O-LU-TION! That's the only thing that is going to stop it, but I doubt that will happen either.

I'm a LOST SOUL!!!

[Edgewater_Joe]

10. I'll Work To Blow It Up - And Rebuild It The Way It Needs To Be

Out with the appeasers, in with the REAL Democrats.

[stray cat]

13. Why not try to build the party so they can actually stop something

like the Alito nomination. You can choose to build up the green party so they win the house or senate or try to get the dems some real power. Frankly a fillibuster will do nothing to stop the nomination if moderate republicans don't stand against Alito. Repubs have the number to simply stop the right to filibusted judicial nominees and they certainly will.

[flaminbats]

20. Democrats have enough votes for a filibuster,but do they have the courage?

Republicans believe this fight shall only end if the Democratic Party finally dies, but that will only be the beginning! We will never stop fighting..only bring this fight into the Republican primaries.:dem:

[napi21]

15. Why do you think the Dems would be justified in filibustering?

I would like them to do it too, but I listened to all the hearings and all the things I have against Alito are assumptions. Without some concrete proof, how can you demand a filibuster?

[radio4progressives]

44. If you're askin' what's wrong with Alito, you haven't been paying

attention. my gawd. extraordinary presidential powers, signing on to Oliver North's secret government plans (through FEMA - shutting down Congress and the most of Justice Dept) and more?

have you done any reading at all?

[napi21]

82. Of course I've been paying attention. I know all the reasons I don't

want Alito to be confirmed. That's not the point. All his beliefs are inline with Shrub, so of course we don't want him, but that isn't a reason to filibuster. What kind of candidate did you expect Shrub to pick? Do you really expect a Lawrence Tribe? Of course not. The Sens have to find a reason other than a difference in political opinion to filibuster, and I don't think they did.

[flaminbats]

86. Democrats have a reason to filibuster..

because only the highest standards should be met before the Senate allows a vote on Alito. If these standards are not met, then Alito doesn't even deserve a vote. Only the best can demonstrate why they deserve any consideration of the Senate to serve on the highest court in the land!

[radio4progressives]

87. The issue is not Liberalism vs Conservatism

Jesus H Christ.

The issue is NOT political. It is Constitutional.

You have NOT been paying attention!!!! This guy is an uber fascist not a conservative.

he's about having it be ok to deny basic civil liberties. he's about suspending Government, shutting down Congressional oversight and authority and other Government agencies. He's on board with suspending the Constitution, and giving the President uber authority and powers during "WAR Time", which we are in a permanent state of.

Please! get a freaking clue!!!

[napi21]

98. You may yell at me to get a clue, but you're going to have to go

way beyond ME! Most people view the dissent on Alito as politcal. The Dems just don't want another conservative on the court. That's actually TRUE, but it's not the reason we don't want Alito. I agree he's not what he appears to be, but I still don't think a filibuster will make any difference. The public will view the Dems as being obstructionists.

It's very sad, but until people are personally affected by what the Pubs are doing to our Government and THEM, they won't subscribe to your opinion.

Most people haven't been hurt enough....YET!

[flaminbats]

99. Republicans filibustered Clinton's appointees and healthcare plan..

and they won control of Congress in 1994! If Democrats filibuster Alito, it will only force Bush to appoint someone who is more qualified and more Senators can support. If Senate Democrats allow Bush to set every standard for who deserves to be considered as Supreme Court Justices, they are failing to do their Constitutional duty..

[napi21]

100. Oh come on! Someone more qualified?

I'm drinking rum & coke and even I don't believe that one!

Republicans filibustered Clinton's nominees because the were the majority!

Dems were in power for a very long time, and they too were corrupt! Accept that! They were finally voted out of power in 1994. Pubs took control, and it took them less than 10 years to achieve the same level of corruption as the Dems had. They will also be voted OUT!

Until that happens, the Dems have NO POWER!

[flaminbats]

101. Republicans were not in the majority in 1993 or 1994...

you don't believe that only the most qualified people should be considered for the Supreme Court??? Then why not allow anyone be considered? You say Democrats have no power..only if they don't show the will needed to block this mediocre appointee! ;)

[snowbear]

103. I wouldn't say it's the same level of corruption though....

Even the idiotic media agree that this scandal is far worse than anything in the past... :think: ... forever.

[John Q. Citizen]

141. They weren't the majority in the Senate.

Republicans, I mean, during Clinton.

Which is why they filibustered.

[flaminbats]

76. becoming a Supreme Court Judge should be earned..not expected

the burden of demonstrating that Alito would be a plus on the highest court of our nation is the responsibility of Alito and the Bush administration, not Congress. If Supreme Court Judges serve life-terms, then only the best should ever be allowed to serve!

If the Senate doesn't set the highest standard for those who are given the honor of sitting on the Supreme Court, then why even have a legislative branch?

[flyarm]

96. how about he lied and purjered himeslf!!..start there !! n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

102. I might suggest watching the Democracy Now report for Thursday

12 Jan 06 -- supper coverage and an excellent panel discussion. It becomes clear that Alito is waaaaaaaay out of the mainstream of legal thinking.

listen/watch with streaming online with RealPlayer--link:

http://www.democracynow.org/index.pl?issue=20060112

[cascadiance]

16. I just got my 2006 Dem membership card today in the mail...

I'm tempted to say that we should make a televised event of this. On some designated day, we should all go to the Voter registrar's office, burn our card with others doing the same thing, and go in and reregister as independents. Kind of like people burning their draft cards in the 60's got visibility.

[radio4progressives]

89. If they don't filibuster, i'm leaving pda and registering independent.

And I'm letting Feinstein know this.

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[applegrove]

91. No I'm not. My anger at people giving up the fight got the better of

me. I usually tell people to take a break, plant a garden, mentor a kid.

I lost it! There will be a hell of a lot more losses to come before the chance at the 2006 election. And bullies count on that to tire out the people they want to shut up.

I'm for a filibuster. Just not for people walking away and taking others with them.

The only way I think the GOP can win in 2006 is if they divide us.

[Old and In the Way]

18. Good luck! Leave us a forwarding addy and don't forget to write!

[radio4progressives]

90. no freaking way

[Neil Lisst]

19. Yeah. I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

--- from Office Space

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If they don't have 40 to block cloture, they don't have 40 votes to block cloture. If we lose ten percent of our senators, that still means we got 90%.

We must pick off a few pubs, and only lose 2-3 Dems, to get the number needed to filibuster.

I have never believed shooting myself in the foot is a good response to frustration, and cutting off my nose to spite my face is not on my list of coping mechanisms, either.

[William769]

22. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord Split you.

[NMDemDist2]

23. buh bye

:hi:
don't let the door hit ya and let us know how that works out for ya huh?

2000 ring any bells there friend?

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[QC]

25. Alright, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my closeup!

Nothing like a (melo)dramatic exit!

[renie408]

26. That was funny. n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

27. Look, this is nothing new

we knew on Nov. 4 2004 we were going to have at least two conservatives on the Court, and that's one reason why it hurt so badly.

I personally don't have much of an opinion about filibuster..I don't know enough about Legislative politics. But I know that right now the Democratic party has the best chance of taking 2008 and reclaiming the country legally. I here for the duration.

[MasonJar]

28. Please do not change parties; that only helps the awful Pugs.

I am ready to move out of this country too if we get another cretin in 2008. However, I am going to work hard to defeat the pugs in 08. Stay around and help us. The key is to get the rules changed for voting. The dems must expose over ans over the dishonesty and lies for 06. We have to win in 06 and 08. We will never do it without paper ballots. Dem guvs must start the ball rolling; I am glad to see that Richardson is on top of the voting in NM.

[The Onyx Key]

29. If Dems don't filibuster I'm having a bourbon on the Rocks!

Of course, I do that a lot of the time anyway...:-)

[neverevergivein]

39. A better option

Can we just take over the party the way we should have a long, long, long, long time ago. Seriously, no more DLC nimrods. No more Repug lite idiots. Can we run our own candidates instead of having to choose the least of all evils. I can't ever remember being so upset or disappointed in a party and in a country. No, I'm not leaving. But I am mad as hell and want some help in righting some serious wrongs!

[AZBlue]

143. Now THAT'S a plan I can get behind!

Welcome to DU!

[The Onyx Key]

148. You're the first to welcome me...thank you! n/t

[rockymountaindem]

30. I thought somebody else already posted this thread...

:boring:

[renie408]

31. I dunno...Is picking up your toys and going home really the best way

to promote reform?

I will certainly find it disheartening if there is no filibuster. I think that there is next to no chance that Alito will not get in, but a filibuster would be for the down trodden base of the Democratic Party that is sick of taking all the shit the GOP is shoveling. Whether it successfully blocks Alito or not, it would feel GOOD to stand UP for once.

BUT....I am not actually a politician. I just like to play one on the DU. It is easy for me to sit in my kitchen in South Carolina writing fiery rhetoric here while I am waiting for my peanut butter cookies to come out of the oven. It is easy to THINK you know the right way to handle things...it is much harder to have to make the decision and be CERTAIN.

So. I will wait for the next batch of cookies and write my letters to Lindsay Graham and Jim DeMint and John Spratt. I will go up into Charlotte occasionally and stand on a corner and wave my homemade signs. I will send all my friends emails detailing the worst of what I see going on. I will not watch The Today Show or anything on FOX and I keep writing to tell them so. I will go to local Democratic Party meetings and learn about my local politicians. All politics are local, after all.

I will not quit if there is no filibuster. Disappointed, yes. Defeated? No way in hell.

[ourbluenation]

32. Stop it! The ideals of the dem party are bigger than the particular pols

in there now, at this particular moment in time. Don't jump ship at a time when we need you the most.

United we stand - divided we fall. It's really that simple.

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. The ideals of the Democratic party are dead

And the "Democrats" who will vote for this fucking piece of shit are the reason why.

[kath]

38. Yep, Dems no longer stand for working people.

We need a PEOPLE'S Party, dammit.

[rucky]

129. If we're choosing parties based on ideals...

www.thelaborparty.org

[nickshepDEM]

33. Dont let the door hit you in the ass...

:hi:

[jn2375]

41. Sure make it easy for disgusted Dems to leave the party with

that kind of sarcastic talk!

[LittleClarkie]

48. It's the internets

anyone who's hung on messageboards and usenet long enough have seen their fill of the "dramatic exit" which is supposed to be followed by the many cries of "Oh, no! Don't go!" followed by the dramatic re-entrance.

Go. Don't go. But you're asking the Party to have more balls than aparently you expect yourself to have. So, if you haven't got the intestinal fortitude to gut it out where you're needed, and do it yourself if you have to rather than wait for Dem leadership to point you in the direction you should already be going anyway, then you might as well get the hell out of the way.

I mean, where is there an Independant Party for you to join? What will you do? Who will lead you then? Just make sure you damned well DO something no matter where you end up, party-wise.

As for me, I just got here. I ain't goin' noplace.

[nickshepDEM]

51. I was joking sheez... But on a serious note...

I wont shed a tear if you leave. In times like these we need strong members in our party, not potential 'cut and runners' like yourself.

[jn2375]

53. I have been a strong supporter but how much shit can one person

take. What infuriates me most is watching the Repug time and again make our Dem representatives look like wimps who can't stand up to them. Oh how they must be laughing at us. Some times I just want to scream, let me have a shot at those bastards. God I can't stand their lying and left to get away with it!!!!!!!

[LittleClarkie]

54. So whatcha gonna do BESIDES turn independant

if you leave the Dems?

What's the plan? What actions do you do now? What actions will you continue to take then?

[jn2375]

56. I want to belong to a party who's leaders have a backbone

when has the Democratic party besides Dean and sometimes Reid really stood toe to toe against the Republicans? Why is it necessary that we always have to hope and pray that the Dems will fight back when attacked, shouldn't we just expect them too. That is my frustration with this party.

[LittleClarkie]

59. Alright. But that has nothing to do with what I just asked.

What is your plan if you leave the party? What do you do now to help progressive causes? What will you do as an independant? Will you go it alone? Will you join an organization like Moveon.org or PDA?

What. will. you. do?

(Is this what it was like trying to get an answer out of Alito this week? Don't make me sic Kennedy or Feingold on ye.)

[PuraVidaDreamin]

63. jn- times are tough, I understand where you are coming from

There could quite possibly be a white knight out there
we haven't found, who is not a DLC ditto head.
Lets really start working for Russ Finegold, or
getting Al Gore to denounce DLC or change
to independent and turn his back on the corporate way of
political life.

thinking of you and your son

Stay Human

[LittleClarkie]

64. Bah. That's my point. Fuck "a white knight"

BE YOUR OWN WHITE KNIGHT. Stop waiting for the leadership to "do something" or somebody to come riding in and save us all.

And about Gore, I gotta tell ya, I think he's already done all those things by the way he's been acting lately. Surely you've noticed.

I like who I like, which is Kerry. Feingold is mighty fine as well. But if I don't think either of them is moving fast enough for my tastes, I'm not going to collapse in grief.

Join a grassroots organization or something and MOVE!!!

Now if you will excuse me, I think I just popped a blood vessel.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

67. amazing how you don't know me

and you think I'm doing nothing at all.

I surely don't spend all of my time posting rants here,
I'm too busy working on making change.

about your blood vessel, an artery would be nice.

[LittleClarkie]

69. Actually, though I used your "white knight" to start off with

it was more of a generalized rant. I didn't mean you specifically. I just think that too many people are waiting for someone to come riding in and save them. I meant it to be more of a half-time pep talk before we head out of the locker room. I'm trying to get people to think about ants and rubber tree plants. I want people to move like they think they can get something done, even if they think they can't.

Mostly I'm just trying to get people to knock off the defeatism. We gotta stay strong.

I don't know you from Adam, and it does annoy me when some folks act like they think they can tell what someone does, and does not do, by how they type or something.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

72. sorry about your head-ache

a small capillary that clots off immediately is much
nicer too.

Peace:P

[LittleClarkie]

73. Actually, I think I might be menopausal

I'm sort hoping so at this point. I could blame my behavior on it then.

[applegrove]

106. You are both right. The "White Knight" is within all of us. Sometimes

you have to wait for it to be revealed. Sometimes you see it in someone else first and are inspired to discover it inside ourselves. So if you are still looking for the knight - look inside of you. Know yourself. Cry. Grieve the loss of your way of life (for now). Hold the ones you love close. Join hands with those on the same journey. And fight with discernment, empathy, might, intellect and all the tools you have.

And take a break too. Nobody expects anyone to be able to put up with one crisis after another without some peace in between.

And be ready for 2006!

Inspire those behind you in the journey to be strong. Show them the might & love.

[jn2375]

61. sorry, I'm so angry right now don't really have a forward looking

plan, need time to cool down, before I decide my next move.

[applegrove]

68. I'm sorry. Mods made it clear I was wrong. I should have carrot or

sticked you with words. Not numerical generalizations.

[rucky]

131. How predictable.

everything is hunky-dory, ain't it?

[AtomicKitten]

35. If no filibuster, I'm going to have a party, drink heavily, sober up and

keep working to kick the every lovin' shit out of the Republicans in 2006 and 2008.

[renie408]

46. Amen n/t

[catmother]

36. i'm pretty disgusted too. "get a spine or resign". nt

[DaveinMD]

42. don't let the door

hit your ass on the way out. Good riddance.

[skipos]

43. Not me. I am not a single issue voter. nt

[Guaranteed]

71. Well- it's not a single issue court, is it? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

45. This is why it is so important for progressives to work within the

Democratic Party and to advance progressive values and agenda within the Democratic Party and change it into a genuinely progressive party.

But I do know how you feel, honestly I do.
______________________

Borrowed from:
LynnTheDem

a super-majority of Americans are liberal in all but name

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051107/alterman


Public opinion polls show that the majority of Americans embrace liberal rather than conservative positions...
http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2002-04-16-liberal.shtml


The vast majority of Americans are looking for more social support, not less...
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/borosage-r.html

http://people.umass.edu/mmorgan/commstudy.html

[PassingFair]

79. When we try to work within the party...

we get called "fringe" lefties and are told to shut up.
When we get behind progressive candidates, our candidates are overlooked by the
steamroller mentality of the DCCC, the DSCC and the DLC, whose mouthpieces here
on DU accuse us of being divisive.

So lukewarm democrats get money and votes; then vote against the best interest
of the general population.
Again, and again, and again.

As long as Dean is steering the DNC, I'll keep giving money.
I ONLY canvass for progressive candidates.

[Douglas Carpenter]

85. yes that happens too much...and terms like "fringe left" or "far left"

are carefully chosen words designed to marginalize and dis-empower. And those phrases are commonly used against people who advocated policies well within the mainstream of American opinion. While those who use those phrases are frequently supporters of policies held by only a small minority. How many ordinary people believe CAFTA will create jobs and brings prosperity? How many ordinary people subscribe to the imperial fantasies of Peter Beinart and the The New Republic? But, how many ordinary people support single-payer universal health care? And how many ordinary people are tired of America involving itself in an endless series of military adventures?

I look how the far right working from the aftermath of the Goldwater landslide defeat of 1964 changed the big tent Republicans into a distinctly right wing party; so right wing that poor old Barry wasn't even welcome anymore. But, to do this the right wing did back in general elections candidates and Presidents who were clearly not their ideological soul-mates. Richard Nixon would be a socialist wacko by current Republican Party standards. But, it was the Nixon era that gave real rise to to the longterm agenda of the right-wing.

Since we do not have a system such as exist in much of Europe which is accommodating to third parties and there is realistically no possibility whatsoever that will change anytime prior to the collapse of the current order which I do not anticipate will happen anytime soon--we have no choice in my opinion but to work with what we do have.

Nonetheless any survey of actual congressional voting records will still demonstrate that with the exception of the likes of Zell Miller almost any Democrat including Lieberman and definitely Clinton are still much more progressive than any "moderate" Republican.

[cascadiance]

107. But we now have to ask ourselves if DLC Dinos like Feinstein, Liebermann

... and others actually CARE if the Dems are a majority party any more, or are they more concerned that they have a way of staying in office and siphoning off their corrupting dollars from corporate special interests in the process. As long as they are "nice" to their handlers, it's more evident these days that they care less and less about who's really in power. They care more about their own ass, and keeping the status quo in place in order to do so. They may flap their jaws a lot on certain occasions to "placate" us, kind of like Feinstein and Clinton did earlier on the Roberts vote (was he really WORSE than Alito for them to do that, or was it a "harmless" act by them when they knew the vote would fail?).

We have to make it clear that we aren't going to take it any more, and those that are not wanting change like we want it are going to have to be threatened to be voted out of office. In some respects, having a DINO in place is worse than a Republican. At least with a Republican, there's always a new challenger that might not be a DINO that you can more realistically threaten their staying in office with your votes. With DINOs, they know that most of the time a Republican contender won't give you what you want.

We need a "Counter-DLC" organization within the Democratic Party. Just like the DLC coopted the DNC earlier, we perhaps could unite behind another organization like them with true Democratic ideals which would use more force to counteract the DLC and DINO influence. I'd pour money into that before I'd pour money into the DNC. Maybe with an organization like that, Howard Dean can have more teeth to fend off these bums with.

Perhaps something like the DPC (Democratic People's Council). Maybe Dean's old Democracy for America can be a start to this or merge with it.

[PassingFair]

110. Don't forget MoveOn...

THAT organization is a wild card, as far as I'm concerned. They are more activist than the rest of the groups, and they are better at getting us off of our asses!

I worked with MoveOn during the election, and I KNOW it made a difference in my precinct!

I am a DFA meet-up host (our group numbers have dwindled)... but we are joining up with other factions, which cannot help but improve our effectiveness.

[Douglas Carpenter]

111. there is PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and move on

and of course DFA (Democracy for America)


link for PDA:

http://www.pdamerica.org/

link for Move On:

http://www.moveon.org/

link for DFA:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/

It's just a beginning. But we have to start somewhere

[cascadiance]

113. We should give money just to these organizations...

... and tell Howard Dean that he has our support personally, but he needs to exorcise the DLC influence from the Democratic Party and give the message to the DINOs that depend on it to "shape up" or we'll "ship you out"! It may already be too late for the Supreme Court, but NEVER again should we be playing by the corporatist's rules! NEVER!

[Neil Lisst]

49. If no filibuster, I'm pissing and moaning more than usual.

But not going anywhere.

[ret5hd]

50. kick

on edit: damn autofill

[McCamy Taylor]

52. Dems expect politicians to be their servants not their bosses.

[OneTwentyoNine]

58. aaaabye,bye..........n/t

[Nutmegger]

60. If this were not a two-party system

switching to another party would maybe, possibly, somehow provide results. But fighting for a Green president, in this system...I don't know, I'd rather work my ass off for universal health care. That is something we have a chance with when '06 comes around. We need to yell, scream, bitch, moan at our "public servants" and demand results. And if they don't, screw 'em. Don't support them. Start a blog about 'em.

I understand you're anger and disgust; I pretty much feel the same way. Hell, in '04 I did wanted to vote for Nader but I wanted a win and voting for Kerry was the only way we were going to beat those Bush Inc bastards. Personally, I would like to see more parties involved but it just doesn't work in our system.

On edit: We just don't talk here; this isn't a run-of-the-mill forum. We're hear to watch the Rethug bastards wither away and finally be in the minority.

[LynneSin]

65. Door meet ass, ass....door - enjoy your time together

:D

[FogerRox]

66. right on-- K n R-- filibuster-- shut it down like the Ukraine

If the DEMs do it-- back tham up , see this thread & K n R this too-- please thanks


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2365675&mesg_id=2365675

VietNam protest --

[Guaranteed]

70. The OP might be more convincing from someone else. nt

[Jeffersons Ghost]

75. please

consider looking into Democracy For America, we love hard-working local dems who hate repukes but i gotta warn you, most of our favorite candidates in local and higher positions are minorities and females who weren't born into money and they're ALL DEMOCRATS, we vote straight tickets at DFA. Were established national and have targeted and bagged plenty of repuke campaigns... The punks quake when they hear we're operating in a market. That's the ticket, even if you're a force of one get active for whatever group you want but before you pull the lever, remember we're a two party system. Will you allow them to divide and conquer, again?

[Guaranteed]

77. Got the sticker on my car, my friend.

Dean is my man.

I think Dean will be just as disappointed as many of these other Dems if our party doesn't do what needs to happen, here.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

81. you know what?

Deans still not my personal go-to-guy in my heart for the big job... personally Russ, has been my hero since right after 9/11... the way that guy fights for truth, justice and the american way, he needs a big "S" on his chest but I love this grass-roots stuff, I was raised doing it for the old Dem machine, here in Bama, when I was a kid. What a hoot! Grand Dad was a high-up elected county official called a REVENUE COMMISSIONER much of my childhood. They abolished that potent office after he died but nobody screwed with the guy holding the purse-strings back then.

[PassingFair]

80. DFA Host, here, Jeff!

We are few, but we are still in the trenches!

[Jeffersons Ghost]

93. hi jeff

I just PMed you... nice to meet you

[kick_them_hard]

74. Your can beat me up

take my house, take my car, take my wife, please...haha take anything from me and I will NEVER change MY Party. I love being a Democrat and I am staying a Democrat till the day I DIE. If you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. GO!!! SHOO!!! We dont want you!

[autorank]

78. I'll stick around. Do a bit of taunting. Then be with the faction that

takes over when Alito votes way wrong for the first time. And you know that will be soon.

Stick around, we'll be prophets in our own land.

[kentuck]

83. They cannot filibuster if they don't have the votes...

Maybe we can torture a few Democrats to get them to go along with the rest of us?? <sarcasm off>

[radio4progressives]

94. remember? it's the 41/51 principle -- they CAN Do IT if only they WOULD

41 votes (or more) to filibuster

then 51 votes (or more) to defeat the nuclear option.

that's what it will take - all the Dems need to do, is be unified on this.


there is one more procedural option remaining. but we won't talk about that - cuz we don't want the freeptards to know about it.

[cascadiance]

109. Even if they can't defeat the nuclear option...

They can still shut down other Senate business with 41 votes too. They have to be committed to doing what they can and making the stakes higher for these bums and their extremist one party BS! If they don't do it now, they will ALWAYS be run over! And you have to ask yourself how they will vote even if we do get a majority of Dems in power then too if they don't act decisiviely now!

[radio4progressives]

135. Bingo! Spot On! NT

[cascadiance]

92. Skinner, as a way of protesting... How about for a day changing DU

... to www.independentunderground.com instead of democraticunderground.com. Perhaps if enough people see the "redirects" they can realize how PISSED OFF we are right now!

[FogerRox]

95. Come on People recommend this thread

This is the deal: DEMS shut the Senate down-- we march on DC shut the town down.

SHUT IT DOWN

this one too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2365675

[greenbriar]

97. don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya

:boring:

[laylah]

105. I will be changing

my affiliation to Independent should the people I VOTED INTO OFFICE fail to filibuster *dumbass's latest disaster waiting to happen! :mad:

Jenn

[cascadiance]

108. We need to set up a national day to do this...

Just like "World Can't wait", etc. and all of us take our Democratic Party membership cards out and "burn them" for passing cameras (if we can get any kind of media coverage). We march on voter registrar's offices every place around the country all at the same time and burn our Dem cards and then reregister as independents as a show of solidarity here! I'd be up for it!

[Stockholm]

112. You win some and lose some

It´ll sort itself out in the end it always does. Keep your fighting spirit.

[cascadiance]

114. I keep hearing this, but we haven't been winning much!

The big battles are still always being lost! And many of these could be avoided or at least damage minimized if these Democratic representatives would just act like Democrats and serve us instead of special interests!

[Stockholm]

116. I am sure they do their best (most of them at least)

If you are sceptical, have you called your representative to make sure?

A different perspective:

Right this moment there are 2 million of your fellow Americans displaced by Hurricane Katrina and Rita. In the meantime all attention is on this Scalito even though every one know all of King Sadim's appointments in the end comes back and bites him in the back.

[Hyernel]

115. Biden was right. The committee hearings are useless....

....I predict, in the next few days, devestating leaks about Alito in the press that will either enable an effective filibuster, or will cause Alito to withdraw in disgrace.

Then his wife will have plenty to cry about.

[cascadiance]

117. Perhaps the new strategy whether we're Dems or no, is to impeach...

Just as we're strategizing how to impeach George Bush, perhaps we should also be gathering information on how we might impeach these judge selections too. I really think that during these hearings, we need to make sure our Senators to ask questions and take notes on whether they are lying, or whether they think a certain kind of action by a judge is an impeachable offense, so that later, we have ammunition to impeach them for this if we find evidence of them doing so. An example of this would be to ask Alito today:

"Do you feel that a judge should be impeached if they allow the executive branch knowingly to coverup wrongdoing through inappropriate usage of State Secrets privilege to have cases dismissed?"

Later, when we have a majority in congress and perhaps a new president (whatever party we trust to do the right thing at that point), we play the judge impeachment card too, and "correct" this supreme court then.

[FogerRox]

118. recommend this thread . . . .people

[guidod]

119. When you were really young, as in

elementary school, and were picked on by some bully did you. 1. change schools 2. pick a fight with him or her 3. avoid him or her and continue to grow with your friends. I chose to avoid him and stick with my friends. The repukes are the bullies, but if we are going to change that we have to stick together. I feel the key to success is patience.

[Snivi Yllom]

122. better pack your bags then

no filibuster is coming

[bvar22]

123. There ARE Democrats who still FIGHT for you!

There ARE a handful.
You can find them here:

http://www.pdamerica.org/

If you can no longer support the Party Establishment, send you donation and support directly to the Democrats who have not abandoned you!




"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans,
family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."--- Senator Paul Wellstone

In EVERY case, "Barriers to Trade" and "Restrictions on Corporations" were created to protect something valuable!

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[rucky]

132. Nobody's dissing individual Democrats

we question the ability of them as a whole to function as a party.

[longship]

124. Don't leave... Make change.

Get involved in the machinery. Call your county Democrat party. Ask them to appoint you as a precinct committee person. There are many empty positions. This is precisely how Pat Robertson and Co did it in 1980. They took over the Republican party and now we have the party of lunatics as opposition.

We have to do the same thing. We have to make sure that our progressive ideas are put forward in the only party which has a chance to fight the battle against these rapture rightist Repugs.

Please keep the faith and work within the system.

[Czolgosz]

125. I think Democrat unity on the vote is more important that the filibuster

I'd dearly love to see Alito filibustered, but first things first. Let's shoot for (1) first priority: all democrats vote against the nomination -- instead of 22 Democratic votes for vs. only 22 Democratic votes against confirmation like the disgraceful vote on Roberts -- (2) second priority: we either split off blue-state-Republicans like Chaffee and Snow and Spector or we use his vote to beat them, (3) third priority: we filibuster (which we should be able to pull off if we can accomplish goals 1 and 2).

[lebkuchen]

130. As tho' there were a lot of other appealing options

[Beam Me Up]

133. This isn't about "Democrats" and "Republicans." That is the BIG LIE.

What this is about is WE, the American people, reclaiming our Democracy from these neoconservative fascists by any lawful means necessary. It doesn't matter which side of the isle they sit on. Either the Democrats and Republicans WAKE THE F UP and realize that THEIR positions of power are compromised by these Imperailist CREEPS masquerading as Republicans and conservatives, or they will go down along with the rest of us.

[saracat]

134. And other than sitting on your duff whining on DU what have you done to

change the Party? I am angry too but I am probably making an ass of myself with my state party jumping in , working hard and complaining abot that which I don't like! I will not give up. I will be an agent for change! Have you walked a precinct lately, volunteered at HQ? Run for office? If you you are justified. If you are only ranting, that doesn't inspire respect.

[cascadiance]

136. Yeah, I have, and I will be shortly too in the next month or two...

When Francine Busby runs for Cunningham's spot... We've had to work damn hard down here in San Diego, with so many special elections the last year, and it's been tough getting any victories, to show for that non-stop campaigning. Donna Frye fought hard, but in the end the developer's money bribes won out with Sanders winning out for mayor with their added resources they leveraged in going after the absentee votes. Fortunately the state overcame San Diego passing three of Arnold's initiatives in the latest special election. When we work so hard and even then still have a hard time seeing a victory here and there, it really hurts when we see some DINO's basically getting bought out and packing it in instead of voting WITH the party as they should. It makes you wonder if it's worth it at times! That's why I think we need a newer "counter-DLC" organization to unify our voices (and money!) against the corporate takeover of this party, or to help mobilize a new one if that's not possible.

[saracat]

138. Good for you. Believe me, I can relate.

Progressive Dems are trying really hard to make a difference "within" the party, and I have been surprised at the level of acceptance they have experienced. Maybe you could hook up with them? They are about as "counter DLC" as you could get.

[bvar22]

140. The "Counter DLC" wing of the Democratic Party is here:

http://www.pdamerica.org/

They don't get much Face Time on the Corporate Owned Media. They have pledged to break up the Media Monopolies and return a Fairness Doctrine.

Send THEM your money.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans,
family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."--- Senator Paul Wellstone

In EVERY case, "Barriers to Trade" and "Restrictions on Corporations" were created to protect something valuable!

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[BigBearJohn]

137. Hey, change your registration to Indie - later it can be reversed

but this would sure send a message to our leaders.
"Put up or shut up!"

[Festivito]

139. That way they'll know WHY Repubs will continue to win &win &win &win...

That'll teach those Dems.
When the Pubbies win we'll look over at those Dems and say: "SEE!"

If they wanted to be in a country with more than a two-party system they should have been born there.

They'll learn... after we yell:
SEE!

TOLD YOU SO!

[greiner3]

144. I would vote Green but for one thing;

They have no chance of winning. If you go IND, I see you voting Dem 100% anyway. Hang in there, jn2375, it can't get worse. Maybe b*** will choke on all the power he has.:headbang:

[Michigander4Dean]

145. $10 says you won't be saying that three months from now

Many people said that after Condi's confirmation.

Many people said that after the election.

I mean, c'mon. They're not perfect. I get mad at them on occasion. But they have more spine than they did, say, a year ago.

[pat_k]

147. Contact them! See the Alito ACTION ALERT here:

Alito ACTION ALERT

[d_b]

149. Not me.

I just switched over from Green. Got my new registration card today.

I'm waiting for the THEFT of 2008. If that happens, and the dems don't say anything, THEN I'll leave the party. Maybe even the country.

[socialista]

151. Continue to fight for justice

[GregW]

152. C Ya

:hi:

[Norwood]

154. I understand you're frustration

In moments of anger I've thought the same, but with a cool head I realize that will do nothing, in fact it'll help the pukes.

I'm not going anywhere