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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:07 PM
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Alito Hearings: Democrats' 'Katrina'
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/011306.html

"Since you, Judge Alito, have long promoted the theory of the “unitary executive,” where are the boundaries of the President’s powers? For the duration of the War on Terror, are there any meaningful limits on the President’s right to do whatever he deems necessary? Judge Alito, how do you differentiate between a system run by a “unitary executive” and a dictatorship?

Clearly, Alito would not have answered these questions. He would fallen back on his ritual response of declining to comment about issues that might eventually come before the Supreme Court.

But many Americans would have been shocked by Alito’s refusal to stand decisively on the side of a traditional democratic Republic and against an autocratic regime. It also might have dawned on millions of Americans what’s at stake in this debate.

Another advantage would have been that some Republicans might have been put on the spot."
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:06 PM
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1. You really have to quote more of this article, and its real title, to get
Edited on Sat Jan-14-06 02:10 PM by Peace Patriot
the gist of it, and, since it is such a serious attack on the Democrats in Congress--which needs discussion--I'm taking the liberty of an extensive quote. Here's how the article begins:


TITLE: "For a constitutional confrontation at least five years in the making, the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee looked as prepared to confront Samuel Alito as FEMA chief Michael Brown did in responding to Hurricane Katrina.

"As with the hurricane that zeroed in on New Orleans days before coming ashore, there should have been no surprise about Judge Alito. He was exactly what the Republican base had long wanted in a Supreme Court nominee, a hard-line judicial ideologue with a pleasant demeanor and a soft-spoken style.

"Indeed, Alito has been such an unapologetic supporter of the Right’s beloved Imperial Presidency that Alito’s one noteworthy assurance – that George W. Bush was not “above the law” – was essentially meaningless because in Alito’s view Bush is the law.

"Yet the Democrats were incapable of making an issue out of Alito’s embrace of the 'unitary executive,' a concept so radical that it effectively eliminates the checks and balances that the Founding Fathers devised to protect against an out-of-control President.

"Bush even gave the Democrats a news hook to make the peculiar phrase 'unitary executive' a household word. Bush cited his 'unitary' powers just days earlier in signaling that he would use his commander-in-chief authority to override the provisions of Sen. John McCain’s anti-torture amendment passed in December 2005...." (MORE)

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/011306.html

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With some exceptions, the Democrats in Congress seem forever to not be getting the point--to miss the significance of the fundamental principles that the Bush junta is in violation of. I found this to be true of John Kerry during the campaign. I've found it to be true of many of the speeches I've heard in Congress on several nominations--including, notably, the nomination of torture memo writer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the U.S. Senators Byrd, Kennedy, Boxer and others HAVE understood what is going on here, and have articulated it with brilliance. But too many don't.

So the criticism in the above article is deserved, in that sense. But it is undeserved, and excessive, in several other important senses. First of all, it is not the Democrats who are proposing these terrible nominations. To somehow turn things around, and make it their fault, is not fair. Nor is it fair to focus so much firepower on the Democrats, when they are carrying the entire burden of representing the great majority of people in this country, with only minority status. They are a party that has been devastated by three successive rigged elections, 2000, 2002 and 2004. It's true that powerful Democratic leaders PERMITTED Bushite corporations to gain control over the election system in 2004, with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in the new electronic voting systems, and virtually no audit/recount controls--without a word of objection, protest or outrage, let alone the huge campaign they should have mounted against this egregiously non-transparent election system. But rank and file Democrats, and I would say the majority of elected Democrats, are NOT responsible for this. They have been bullied into silence about it (if they know about it, and I think most do).

To expect the Democrats to keep mounting well-focused, effective efforts in Congress, in these circumstances, is unrealistic, and something of an inhuman expectation. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to lose fight after fight after fight, and to keep coming back with clear minds and strong organization?

The problem at the heart of the Bush junta is election fraud. In fair, transparent elections, Bush would not be president, nor would he have this Bush "pod people" majority in Congress.

THAT is what the Democratic Party needs to wake up to--now how to ask questions of people who will never answer them, in front of cameras that will not likely record and promulgate the truth of the hearing--but rather, HOW to throw them out of office. How to oust them. How to upset their apple cart. How to get ALL the votes counted.

Alito is not unimportant. I would never say that. But, in the big picture, there are many ways to get around and/or impeach a criminally appointed Supreme Court IF WE CAN RESTORE OUR RIGHT TO VOTE.

FDR had to face a hostile Supreme Court. He failed in his effort to "pack" the Supreme Court (by adding to the number of judges), but the effort DID result in one judge changing his mind about New Deal programs. Thus, Social Security (among other things) was saved.

Creative legal and political work can deal with an anti-democratic Supreme Court--PROVIDED THAT the people's sovereign power can be exercised in transparent elections.

So, I would say, forgive the Democrats their less than sharp performance, and, if Alito gets onto the Supreme Court (as seems quite likely), work to refocus the Democrats on an even more fundamental matter that one justice's opinion of executive power: the basis of ALL power in our democracy--our right to vote, and our right to elect our CHOSEN representatives in TRANSPARENT elections.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:30 PM
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2. what makes you think the Dems Inc are doing anything about e vote fraud?
have you seen any democrat introduce legislation to prevent e vote fraud by requiring open source code on
e vote machines? Or that all e vote machines print paper ballots to be kept at the precinct level to be used in case
of suspected fraud or any other recount? Or that the vote count of record be done at the precinct level preferably by printed
ballots counted by hand before being sent to a central tabulator? Or that e vote machines be denied access to the internet?
Or that any e vote machine maker be required to offer its product to any government vote counting department in a given state or to none at all(if competition is good for the citizen, it oughta be good for the e vote machine makers)?

Now there may be some dems who have done this at the local/state level, but I do not know of any national dems who
have done this...actually DONE it.

let me know if I am wrong here :-)

Msongs
www.msongs.com/dean2008.htm
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:17 PM
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6. Great post! Although you make many strong points,
We don't really know how brilliant any Dems are being since they get little to no coverage and the coverage they do get is patronizing, or incomplete or disingenuous in its misrepresentations. Yet, IN SPITE OF THAT, we have the new Zogby poll that came out telling us that approx. 60% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached over the illegal wiretapping. I think polling on MSNBC (I think) or maybe CNN said that the majority did not want Alito confirmed.

So imagine the frustration of the average American who would like to see at least the issue of impeachment addressed and who understands the fundamental concept of checks and balances, who is faced with having no voice, because the Democratic Party will NOT do what the Opposition must do - LEAD AN OPPOSITION!

I am tired of feckless, unorganized leadership from the Dems. And even though I cited polls in the paragraph above - I want leaders who LEAD, because it's the right thing to do and don't have to be cajoled and dragged kicking and screaming to a needed confrontation until they are convinced it's politically safe.

I agree that elections are the single overriding concern, but I believe that they are a domino that will fall into place if we address the problems of this Administration in a proper order :

1. Illegal acts by the Chief Executive on multiple fronts - BOTH wiretaps AND DSM (I want both and don't believe anyone who tells me I have to pick one or the other. Articles of Impeachment must be entered by the Democrats (or any responsible Republican who wants to save their country)

2. Corruption through and through the Republican Party and the whole political process through bribery and pay-offs (and any involved Dems). Which then leads to a very easy jump to - hey if the political process is flawed and corrupt then

3. The Election process HAS to be transparent and secure and invulnerable to corruption now that we are all so aware of the prevalence of that same corruption- which will lead to election reform.

I'm also sick to death of the "dry powder" part of the Party which doesn't want to engage in any issue unless they are guaranteed a successful outcome. Do the right thing and damn the torpedos!!!!


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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 03:29 PM
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3. IMO, this is a far stretch!! n/t
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 03:35 PM
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4. could you please explain?
Thank you.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 02:48 AM
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5. Actually, I think Kennedy did a great job, even tho it was too bad
that his arguement with Specter didn't turn out to Kennedy's benefit.

Feinstein asked alot of great questions.

What disappointed me was that the dems didn't seem prepared, well I take that back.
They all went for the attack on CAP and Vangaurd. They picked the wrong issues.
With the NSA story on the top of everyone's minds, the unitary executive issue should have been where they attacked. That issue even bothers Specter.
And Alito came out and admitted that the Pres has powers to do whatever...and then would follow it with how the Pres is not above the law. Just to confuse everyone. But that may have been the only question Alito actually answered.

I wish they would have questioned with one voice.
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