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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:05 PM
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Democratic leaders see little hope of holding off the tide(WTF giving up?)
NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/15/politics/politicsspecial1/15alito.html?ex=1294981200&en=5a889d88cdd8ded2&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Glum Democrats Can't See Halting Bush on Courts
By ADAM NAGOURNEY, RICHARD W. STEVENSON and NEIL A. LEWIS
Published: January 15, 2006
This article was reported by Adam Nagourney, Richard W. Stevenson and Neil A. Lewis and written by Mr. Nagourney.


WASHINGTON, Jan. 14 - Disheartened by the administration's success with the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr., Democratic leaders say that President Bush is putting an enduring conservative ideological imprint on the nation's judiciary, and that they see little hope of holding off the tide without winning back control of the Senate or the White House.

In interviews, Democrats said the lesson of the Alito hearings was that this White House could put on the bench almost any qualified candidate, even one whom Democrats consider to be ideologically out of step with the country.

That conclusion amounts to a repudiation of a central part of a strategy Senate Democrats settled on years ago in a private retreat where they discussed how to fight a Bush White House effort to recast the judiciary: to argue against otherwise qualified candidates by saying they would take the courts too far to the right.

Even though Democrats thought from the beginning that they had little hope of defeating the nomination, they were dismayed that a nominee with such clear conservative views - in particular a written record of opposition to abortion rights - appeared to be stirring little opposition.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:07 PM
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1. If you want to worry about the Reichwing Corporate Media's take
on reality - you are wearing your nerves down for no good reason. IMHO.

:hug:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:09 PM
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3. I know...
but it just gets to me sometimes.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:14 PM
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6. I know... that is why I included a hug in my post (nt)
Don't forget to YELL BACK AT IT or it all starts getting internalized.

:grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:18 PM
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9. Thank you...
i needed one.:hi:
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:09 PM
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2. WTF is right...
When you're too chicken to filibuster, might as well just leave.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:27 PM
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13. If they filibuster, the right has said they will use the "Nuclear Option"
whatever the heck that is.

They just keep making it up as they go along. What a waste of space for humanity in general.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:09 PM
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4. an editorial pretending to be a news story nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:11 PM
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5. "... success... with Alito"??
So, they've seen into the future?

And, is this the common wisdom now?

Also, WTF are "Democratic leaders" pissing and moaning about?

There's still time, assholes! Filibuster!.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:15 PM
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7. that's what...
i meant by WTF, there's still time to fight, at least go down swinging.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:18 PM
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8. Yes, of course
Sorry I was going off on my own tangent there....
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:19 PM
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10. well...
i'm with you on your tangent.:hi:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:28 PM
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14. Cheers, mate
:toast:
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:22 PM
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12. Filibuster is the F-word to Dems.
These assholes could care less about winning anything. They're getting their$150,000 a year plus perks,so what do THEY have to worry about? :grr:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:35 PM
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18. what they're saying...
to us is fuck you, we'll vote for our interests , not your's.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:21 PM
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11. The Dems: From the ridiculous to the so blind.
The answer to their problems: If it were a snake it would have bitten them by now.

F I L I B U S T E R. Be the first on your block.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:33 PM
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15. They are using headlines to mess with your minds.
Then they are sitting back and chuckling over how they divided us.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:15 AM
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16. Washington Post folks.....consider the source.
They have been calling this confirmation a done deal, just like they did with Roberts.

Now it seems probably they are trying to put pressure on Dems to back away from a fight.

With subject lines like "Democrats Unable to keep Conservatives off Court". Who says? Well, apparently the Washington Post.

Why would they say that WHEN THE VOTE HAS NOT EVEN BEEN TAKEN? Are they trying to influence the outcome?

Some Dems may have already decided, however stories like this seem designed to apply further pressure in order to confirm the nomination of Alito.

If Republicans own the mainstream media information outlets, then they can deliver whatever messages and create whatever impressions they want. Even if it's not accurate.
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LiberalInGeorgia2005 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:07 AM
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17. The problem is it's every thing I've read
The New York Times, Washington Post, Forbes, Seattle Times, Reuters, Associated Press....they're all calling this over. Maybe it is, but that doesn't mean the democrats can't fight.
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