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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:37 PM
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Laura Bush is irked at us

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15272256.htm

US first lady irked by criticism of Bush AIDS plan

- U.S. first lady Laura Bush opened a four-day trip to West Africa on Sunday full of praise for the continent's first elected woman president but irritated by criticism of promoting abstinence to help combat AIDS.

-snip-

President George W. Bush has proposed a $15 billion emergency plan to help stem its spread in Africa and the Caribbean, but critics have complained the program leans too heavily on the promotion of abstinence and fails to place enough emphasis on condoms.

"I think it's a very fair divide," Laura Bush said. "The whole plan all along has been Uganda's plan which is the ABC -- abstinence, be faithful and the correct and consistent use of condoms."

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In a part of the world where one in three people had a sexually transmitted deadly disease and in countries "where girls feel obligated to comply with the wishes of men," women needed to know that abstinence was a choice, Bush said.

"But when girls are not empowered, when girls are vulnerable, their chances of being able to negotiate their sexual life with their partners and to encourage or make their partners use a condom are very low."
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does Laura hear herself? "where girls feel OBLIGATED to COMPLY with the wishes of men"

like these girls are going to tell the men 'sorry I'm abstaining'

and then Laura admits that girls can't get men to wear condoms. but girls could get men to abstain?

help

I've fallen into their trap. she spoke garble and I'm responding to it.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:41 PM
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1. You must admit, she is an excellent spokesperson for abstinence
:spank:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:42 PM
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11. Wish Barbara had practiced it.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:27 PM
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17. good one!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:43 PM
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19. lol
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:03 PM
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2. huh huh huh....she said condom!
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:30 PM
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6. I KNOW! That surprised me more than anything!
She must have meant Condos. She was telling the women to go out and buy a million dollar condo and have their nails done and pop a few pills and then they wouldn't want to have sex.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:55 PM
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7. LOL, me as well. I though she would have masked
it by saying "prophylactics" or something.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:49 PM
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20. Flash!

My daddy didn't wear a condom - ha ha ha
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:05 PM
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3. She also assumes....
that sex is never something the women might want themselves. It's just something men "do" to women.

I'd like to see good ole Laura get up in one of her couch fabric outfits and talk publicly about sex for women, condom use, and abstinence in her own country. She'd be vilified by the Religious Right, who prefer to believe that if sex isn't talked about, it will just go away.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:22 PM
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4. Oh, she's a little pissed now, but it won't last...it NEVER lasts.






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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:23 PM
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5. who gives a shit ? nt
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:15 PM
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8. Exactly...
... I don't want to hear from a dunce president, and I damn sure don't want to hear his dunce-squared wife. I've never heard an intelligent sentence come out of her mouth.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:29 PM
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9. Related thread: Bush Recess appointments- A creepy "Facts of Life" Reunion
Bush Recess appointments- A creepy "Facts of Life" Reunion
Topic started by IanDB1 on Jan-13-06 02:18 PM (4 replies)
Last modified by Oreo on Jan-13-06 02:45 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2367067

Also:

Top U.S. Foreign Aid Official Steps Down (NPR)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2370979
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:37 PM
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10. To be irked means one must have the capability of having emotions.
Laura is incapable of emotions other than that plactic smile.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:46 PM
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12. I think she's brain dead
Mostly.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:50 PM
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13. She must be responded to
The abstinence ploy is so undoable in countries where virgins are sold as cures for AIDS,and victims of rape are blamed for being raped and denying a man anything typically leads to death or disfigurement. She knows it doesn't work that way. And what the * about HIV/AIDS in the US?
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:51 PM
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14. This'll come back to bite 'em
The fundies won't like Laura Lush promoting condom use.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:31 PM
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15. Women should not feel obligated to comply with the wishes of men, unless,
that man is Bush or any male member of the U.S. congress, senate, or Supreme Court.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:20 PM
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16. I think it was Arthur, King of the Britons, who said
"What are you going to do? Bleed on me?"
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:13 PM
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23. Hahaha! The Black Knight always wins!
Come back here you yellow bastard.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:33 PM
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18. Do they get the money if they don't practice abstinence?
Usually funding from Shrub is cut off if someone has sex. And it goes without saying condoms are O-U-T because they're "birth control" and you can't mess with eggs and sperm (God told him so).
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:56 PM
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21. Funny, how tales of Laura's worldly travel always pop up
when something really sh* y happens to shrub- ie, AL GORE speaking the truth lound and clear!

How dare she profess to understand anything about the plight of the African people as it relates to AIDS!
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:04 PM
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22. I thought she was out
making sure boys didn't join gangs or somethin'.

By the way, what ever happened to that little project?
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 09:20 PM
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24. What language do they speak in Uganda?
If it's not English, then Pickles' statement about the ABC's seems foolish. Chances are slim that the words for Abstinence, Being faithful, and Condoms don't start with A, B, and C. Plus, I'll bet that the native speakers are the ones with that actually need the AIDS education anyway.

But I guess ABC is a cute way for the First Lady to feel good about all the great things she's doing to help the poor colored people of Africa.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 09:42 PM
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25. I heard a rumor recently that Jenna.....
....had secretly had an abortion. The info came from a usually reliable source in Austin.

Talk about possible credibility problems..
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