Which of our Dem Strategists sent out Steve MacMahon on Tweety tonight

[KoKo]

to say Dems took money from Abramoff. They set this "lamb to the slaughter" against HUGE REPUG CARNIVORE Ben Ginsberg who bit off his head and chewed it up and then went for the body while Ginsberg and Tweety looked on and laughed their guts out.

What the hell is going on here...Who keeps putting out Donna Brazile and this MacMahon guy and other people who are TOTALLY UNPREPARED?

It was a crack up disaster. That Steve looked like he's wet his pants when Tweety implicated Dems with Abramoff and stumbled all over himself after the dirty deed was done.

I've had ENOUGH of this shit. It's not like they don't have "classes and training" available for these "Dem OPS" who appear on these shows.

He was total "Deer in the Headlights!" :grr:

[Eric J in MN]

1. The "Hardball" producers decide whom to invite, not the DNC.

nt

[KoKo]

16. My kitties could find more forceful prey than that Steve MacMahon...so

maybe you are correct...they only invite "mice" for the "BIG CATS" to bite heads off of...:shrug:

[MrBenchley]

21. I bet even your kitties know how a TV show works....

wish you did.

[KoKo]

24. Ha...wondered when some folks would show up with "Sniping"

You are too cute...by far...always out there pushing the "under the bridge agenda." One day it will catch up to those "under the bridge." :D

[MrBenchley]

27. You mean like somebody pissing and moaning about "Dem strategists"

when it's clear they have only a tenuous grasp of how TV shows work?

Hahahahahahaha......

[KoKo]

30. But...don't you realize you are "pumping/kicking" posts you don't agree

with when you do this "crap?" And, that you are going against DU'ers who've been on here long enough to "contend with you?"

:rofl:

[radio4progressives]

31. Fun Fun Fun...

:toast:

[KoKo]

34. glad you enjoy a good show..but sometimes folks get boring and it's

not worth the reply. :-)'s

[radio4progressives]

39. I generally agree.. my ignore stats creates a certain comedic element

in some ways.. So, apologies for the 'point of personal privilege', (insiders joke and all that).

Anyway, i'm glad that you brought this up, i didn't see today's programs but i did manage to catch Brazille on Sunday i think it was and i just had to turn it off. We have a serious problem in the media and certain members in the upper "echelons" of the party may as well be members of the repukes, afiac because they do nothing to HELP this party's image in the media, indeed they do seem to do everything in their power to HARM this party's image.

Can you imagine if Jack Kennedy were still alive today how he would deal with these inept imbeciles who parade around and pimp themselves off n the media, calling themselves "spokespeople" of the party?

(sheesh)


(edited for spelling and grammatical issues)

[KoKo]

40. I think your post get's this Thread back on Target to my original....

but "beware" the "under the bridges" folks, here. :D

[radio4progressives]

46. it's a discussion that deserves it's own thread, generically speaking

I think a very important matter to focus on the media... i'm harping on this again, as i have in recent threads, particularly during this Alito Confirmation issue. Last week I spent time and labor in writing what I thought was a well reasoned and passionate plea for du members to incorporate media activism along with efforts in trying to recruit and support progressive candidates for future elections. It got a little attention but it disappeared in less than a day i think. So a better more articulate writer needs to make the same or similar attempt with hopefully more positive impact and better results.

The fact continues to remain, that nearly every week the Bush Regime has been in power for the past five years, an impeachable offense had been revealed in the print media, papers of record - the New York Times and the Washington Post along with others. - Yet these stories are rarely if ever amplified in the cable and broadcast news shows on television or radio.

In the final analysis, so long as this state of affairs with regard to the media continues, no matter how righteous the cause, the candidate or serious the issue, we will never win until this problem is adequately addressed.

[KoKo]

51. Lot's of us "Oldie DU'ers" did the Media Retaliation thing......

but because of Reagan getting rid of "Fairness Doctrine" and Clinton and Repug House getting rid of FCC Regulations over "Media Deregulation" it has seemed that all of our "fax/phone/e-mails" have been ignored.

The Global Media Conglomerate is TOO BIG it seems to listen to us. If your post faded it might have just been an "off time" on DU ...or because so many of us have already "been there and done that" without result or acknowlegement from the Bushies.

But...we need FRESH TROOPS to keep PLUGGING! One DAY we will HIT THE JACKPOT!

:shrug: keep at it and get some "folks who live under bridges" on your posts and they will keep kicked until you get some great interaction.

[MrBenchley]

64. You mean the imaginary "Dem strategists?"

As far as who's "under the bridge," it's worth noting who on here never posts unless it's to bash Democrats.

[MrBenchley]

63. Hey, pointing out that crap IS crap is always worthwhile....

"{you are going against DU'ers who've been on here long enough to "contend with you?""
And yet they seem totally ignorant of how the world actually works. Hence this gibberish about imaginary "Dem strategists"....

By the way, when you have politcal experience to match Mr. McMahon's, you might be worth hearing from.

[MrBenchley]

20. Shhh...how can some people have a conspiracy

when you interrupt them with facts that way.....

[KoKo]

26. Perhaps you should just declare what you are about! An EPIPHANY!

We would ALL ENJOY IT...

Peace and :-)'s to you.

[MrBenchley]

29. You first, bunky....

Be sure and tell us why somebody invents slights against Democrats....

[KoKo]

38. Assume you are a fan of the "Get Fuzzy" Cartoons? n/t

[radio4progressives]

47. get fuzzy ? whazat? N/T

[oldtime dfl_er]

2. good f**king question

It doesn't help that tweetass didn't let him actually answer a question.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

3. And Yet You Waste Your Time Watching This Garbage?

Don't you ever learn? I don't mean to offend my fellow democrats on this board, but TURN OFF THE DAMNED MSM NEWS SHOWS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

Other than Countdown, there is not a single network news show that is capable of an honest thought. Why you keep watching, and hoping, and believing that it will be otherwise is beyond me. Do you also watch King George's speeches in the hopes he will say something intelligent? It's like watching the movie Titanic, and thinking that somehow, perhaps this time, there will be a happy ending.

[Vinnie From Indy]

4. Who made you pope?

As much as you feel compelled to tell everyone what to do, I feel compelled to tell you to mind your own business. It is vitally important to know of and try to counter the MSM at every step.

[rodeodance]

7. I tire of some telling us NOT to watch certain stuff also.

[Mountainman]

13. Watch if you have to but don't complain when you don't like what they say.

It's like a kid who got bunt on the stove and tries it again to see if he will get burned again.

Most MSM shows are entertainment not news. They have to get ratings so they do what will get the most people watching. They need to have conflict or it gets boring.

It is not like CBS news was way back when. Then the news departments did not have to make money or have ratings. It was all about reporting the news not entertainment.

[KoKo]

19. It was doing the MSM SURF to see if anyone covered Gore's Speech

for GS!!!

[sendero]

45. "Most MSM shows are entertainment not news."

And Republicans have learned HOW TO BE ENTERTAINING and Democrats have not.

If we could simply find a few people who could go on these shows and PLAY THE GAME for the audience, we would get our message out more.

[LittleClarkie]

25. Indeed. Mentioning something you've heard on one of these shows

is sure to get you unsolicited advice on what you should be watching and not watching, what you should be watching instead, etc.

If I mention I heard something come out of Rush on my way past him on the dial (I can only pause and listen for a moment or two before he drives me nuts), I did NOT bring it up because I was looking for a lecture on which progressive radio person I should be listening to instead.

I have Ed Schultz and I have Randi. I know full well that there is progressive radio out there, and I do listen to it. I don't really need a net mommie.

Quite maddening at times.

[BillZBubb]

11. Exactly how do we "counter" the MSM????

They are driven by the corporations. They control the screen. Nothing we do will change that or the biased content. All we do by watching them is boost their ratings numbers a bit, further enabling them. To think otherwise is absurd.

We can spread the truth by word of mouth without supporting the MSM in any way. We won't "counter" what is on the air, we don't have any airtime.

[BillZBubb]

5. Amen! I'm sick of people watching Tweety expecting fairness.

MSRNC is just that folks. Turn it off. Let Faux and MSNBC (and CNN) fight over the 30% rightards they all cater to.

Watch KO, he's OK! Skip the rest. You'll be happier and their already pathetic rating will fall like Bush's.

[rodeodance]

10. who said anything about fairness.

[KoKo]

36. Tweety SET HIMSELF UP! "I worked for Dems/Tip O'Neill so I'm Qualified

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. Tweets set his OWNSELF UP...and when one "surfs" today on the "supposed news sites" what does one get? Murder, Rape, Bird Flu and Rita Cosby!

Al Gore gives the most incredible documented SPEECH OF HIS LIFE...and one would really want to see it REPORTED SOMEWHERE? No??? :shrug:

[Doctor_J]

42. And the complaining EVERY NIGHT about what's on there

some people here are as stoopid as the LImbeciles.

[KoKo]

43. Some need to watch it ALL! I have problems with Keith...he's just TOO

SPORTS oriented for me...I hate professional sports because of the drugs, lies and corporate influence...so when Keith rails on...just putting "cynical snip in" and Dems here swoon and fawn over him...it kind of turns me off...:shrug:

[Mountainman]

6. Good post, don't support the MSM and cable news.

For a fun night go to KPFK.org and listen to some real left wing reporting.

[AlinPA]

8. I agree with you, totally. Fox "News" is garbage , MSNBC also. CNN is a

joke.

[NativeTexan]

28. FOX should be eliminated....

.....as a stop for ANY Democrat on the news show rounds.
And the Dems have GOT to stop treating Chris Matthews like he is an ALLY! Tucker Carlson is more of an ally than him!

[safi0]

9. I didn't see that

Segment but that first two guests on Hardball were very good. They had a former Army interrrogator who worked in Iraq who talked about how some were using torture as an interrogation technique and a former FISA Court official who talked about how the Pres needed to get warrants for his wiretaps.

[rodeodance]

12. yes, that young man did good as did the FISA official. Hope others saw

them also.

[KoKo]

15. Excuse me? You think MacMahon did "GOOD" along with Ginsberg?

Can you elaborate on your comments? :eyes:

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. Said the scandal would turn the House

and countered the charge that Dems accepted Abramoff $$$. Left Ginsburg sputtering.

I enjoyed it.

[KoKo]

14. I was clicking in and out of that part and it did look interesting...BUT!

Tweety didn't do Al Gore's speech. So if you didn't watch the speech what he said might have seemed really good...but he declares himself all the time as a Dem working in the "Peace Corps" and for Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill...so he should have at least given even 10 seconds to Gore Speach instead of concentrating on trying to tie Dems to Abramoff when Howard Dean and many others who've researched it all have shown that Abramoff gave ZILTCH to Dems.

It was his "Media Whore" laugh fest that got me...while he yukked it up with Ginsberg and never gave time to Gore's speech.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

18. You Give Them Credence By Watching....

Especially given the fact there is 0% chance you're going to agree with most of what they're spewing.

When someone mentions to me something they saw or heard on Rush, Hardball, Meet The Press, Larry King, CNN, etc. .....I usually reply that I don't watch their biased Crap, and that most of what they say is slanted and occasionaly an outright LIE!

It's like the people who complain that Howard Stern is vulgar and distasteful....yet when he asks them, "how do you know about my show?" All they can reply is that they know because they listen.

To which Howard then would say...."well....if you think I'm vulgar and distasteful, why do you listen? Nothing better to do?"

Enough of these..."I can't believe what Matthews/Blitzer just said!" I know what they said, and I don't even have to watch or read your posts to know what they said. Maybe you're hoping that someday they'll say something supportive of the Democrats....but you've got a long, long wait for that day. Keep hope alive though.

[KoKo]

23. I'll let your comment stand on it's own.........

because I understand your frustration.

[kentuck]

22. And don't watch C-SPAN either....

Depend on the unbiased reports of DU only. Don't form any opinions on your own. We will tell you what to believe..

[Vinnie From Indy]

33. LOL! Bingo!

The disease of having it all figured out and insisting that others figure it the same way is hilarious to me. The lock step approach to which bits and pieces of media are "acceptable" to listen to or read reveals an autocratic tendency in many people. This approach is also a tactical and strategic mistake of monumental scale. Withdrawing into a cocoon of like mindedness is disasterous primarily because it blinds one to a significant chunk of reality.

How about all you folks that feel compelled to tell everyone else what to do in this regard just list the programs that you find acceptable so those of us that discuss these issues won't get lectured by you.

[radio4progressives]

32. I'm really glad to have missed this..

I'm plugged into C-Span all day..

[KoKo]

35. So was I ...but I'm a good "surfer."

So, I do what I need to do to report.

[radio4progressives]

41. I appreciate it ... (see my response up thread) NT

:applause:

[KoKo]

37. Well...thanks to all the "under the bridges" my post got Great Exposure

on DU! And...isn't that what's its all about in the "Public Relations World?"

So...see what "under the bridge tactics" do for you? Karl Rove Wannabee's?

You all aren't "Karl Rove."

:rofl:

[Celeborn Skywalker]

58. So you're accusing people of being trolls

for not agreeing with you? Not a very progressive thing to do if you ask me.

[KoKo]

60. MOI? NEVER! the word would never come out of my keyboard...

[Celeborn Skywalker]

62. The "under the bridge" thing sounds like a sneaky way

of calling someone a troll.

[KoKo]

44. It's been over Six Years since Gore ran against Bush...and the Lies and

RW/Rove Media Machine went against him. Don't we Dems deserve better with all the Money/Time/Effort we've put into getting the Chimp OUT?

where did all our money go? According to reports the "Internet" is a "CASH
COW for DEMS AND THEIR CANDIDATES?

Where's the PAYOFF? :shrug:

[Zodiak]

48. I don't tell people what to watch

All I ask is that they don;t absorb a two-minute segment on CNN and come running here saying "OMFG! Iran really IS a threat!!!"

It pains me greatly when some of our own buy into these flashing images on television as the gospel.

They are not our friends....watch, if you must, and know they are the enemy.

[KoKo]

49. Oh yes...WE know that "THEY" are the ENEMY /We Aren't Clueless about

this. :D But, it's kind of you to remind us here as to what we are "supposed to watch" before we post on DU and expose ourselves as "clueless" Freep dummies. another :D for you. It's so kind of all of you to tell us what to watch and post on DU...

[Zodiak]

50. Did I NOT say I do not profess to tell people

what to watch?

It's the "believing without critical analysis" part I have a problem with, on principle.

Also, please be advised that your sarcasm and over-reaction does not endear your position to me, smilies or no.

[KoKo]

53. I never try to ingratiate myself with DU'ers...

I'm sort of "independent" that way...I will forego the smiley...but it's killing me..

:sarcasm:

[Ksec]

52. Hes a Fox Democrat

Weak, ineffective milquetoast. You cant tell me that isnt part of the plan.

[KoKo]

57. Since I've never watched Fox (really!) I didn't know...but it makes sense.

Good God what are our Dems thinking putting someone like that out there? :shrug: Haven't they learned? And, on Tweety up against a Monster like Ginsberg who could chew him up?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

59. The Democrats don't "put" anyone on the show

As was already explained upthread, the "Hardball" producers invite the people they want as guests. Blame it on "Hardball", not the Democrats.

[KoKo]

61. um...either one shows up representing Dems or one is a "No Show."

Dems can't have it both ways and blame it on "Hardball" producers....

:shrug: What do you think?

[Catherine Vincent]

54. There is this one Democratic strategist that would

be on these talking head shows back during the Clinton/Gore era and he was very good. I can't think of his name right now. He would definitely put these right wing pricks in their place. I notice that he doesn't appear on any shows anymore. His name was Vic something. Can someone help me out?

[NCarolinawoman]

55. If you google "Steve McMahon Jeb Bush" it will take you to a Kos site.

Here you can find out there is a connection between the two. MacMahon has worked for Jeb, big Tobacco and big Pharma; as well as being a onetime spokesman for Dean during the primaries and Kerry during the general election. He is obviously a weak spokesman for the Dems because it's more about the "money" than having solid Democratic convictions.

I watched the entire Tweety show. Some of it was very good. The last 10 minutes with MacMahon and the NeoCon lawyer were annoying.

[KoKo]

56. Thanks...I'll check it out. I hate to think Dems are using Tobacco/Jeb

shills to push our message...but then again..anything is believable until proven otherwise these days. :-(