Glen Beck says that it was okay for Jefferson to have sex with his slaves

[EvolveOrConvolve]

Because back then, black people were treated the same way we treat furniture nowadays. ???? :wtf:

Beck was going on and on about MLK Jr., and how great black people have it in America, and how the poor white man is being discriminated against all the time, and this gem pops out. It's bad enough that he uses Martin Luther King Day to rant about the "plight of the white man", but to try to justify what amounts to what I consider to be rape because "that's just the way it was back then" is absolutely ridiculous.

Glen Beck is a racist fucking pig.

[Doctor_J]

1. Who the fuck is Glen Beck, and why were you listening to him?

:shrug:

[EvolveOrConvolve]

3. Beck is a bible-thumping Rush Limbaugh

I was working in a client's office that listens to this shit. Limbaugh in the AM, Beck in the afternoon, and Michael "Savage" Weiner in the PM. The guy (my client) is a total wack job.

[htuttle]

2. And they have the nerve to call the Left 'moral relativists'

[rzemanfl]

4. But it was definitely not okay for Beck's father to have sex with his

mother...look what happened.

[BeachBuckeye]

5. Beck will say and do anything for ratings

He is nothing more than a radio whore.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. Carrabbas is one of his paid sponsers

No more Carrabbas for me.

[iamjoy]

16. Or Outback Steakhouse

I think it is the same company

[renie408]

41. Me either. And I am going to write them and tell them so. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

7. This is the same guy who advocated the death of Michael Moore

if I recall correctly.

They don't have him on here anymore. I'm not sure why. Maybe he was too much even for the Conservatives in Milwaukee.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

9. No shit???

After listening to him today, it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Unfortunately, the yokels around here eat this shit up.

The two talk radio stations in town play:

Limbaugh->Beck->Drudge/(whoever else is playing)->Art Bell
Laura Ingram->Hannity->Savage Weiner->O'Reilly replays

[LittleClarkie]

17. Yep, here's a link to Media Matters

http://mediamatters.org/items/200505180008

"Radio host Glenn Beck "thinking about killing Michael Moore"

Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

From the May 17 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

Beck's program is syndicated by Premiere Radio Networks (owned by radio conglomerate Clear Channel Communications) on more than 160 radio stations across the country to an estimated audience of 6 million listeners. He has previously falsely accused Moore of "taking help and money from Hezbollah" and called Michael Berg, who criticized the Bush administration after his son Nick was beheaded in Iraq, "despicable" and "a scumbag."

[EvolveOrConvolve]

22. What's more fucked up then Beck saying those things

is the fact the people listen and agree with him...

I have very little faith left in the American right.

[LittleClarkie]

24. The Moderate Repubs give me some hope

I hung with a bunch on line during the campaign. Republicans for Kerry on yahoo.

And here's another site I found.

http://mypartytoo.com/

[EvolveOrConvolve]

25. That is refreshing to see

I was a Republican until this administration drove me away in 2001, but I won't be voting for anyone to the right of Lieberman for a long long time.

I definitely consider myself a full-on liberal now, and I don't understand how any thinking American can support this group of clowns.

[LittleClarkie]

26. Ah, do you listen to Ed Schultz then?

He seems to have left the party about the same time as you.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

27. I haven't

I only get conservative radio in my neck of the woods, and I don't have time to listen to any streaming radio on the internets. What's his story?

[LittleClarkie]

28. He met and married a liberal gal who helped turn him.

I believe the first issue that got under his skin was the plight of the veterans who weren't getting enough benefits. He used to be a right wing radio guy. Now he's a progressive radio guy. He's sort of a left-leaning Rush Limbaugh type. He seems to be something of a Hillary fan. He talks about hunting and fishing, and sports as well as progressive issues. He was strong when he talked about Soc. Security, and he supported Cindy Sheehan, but he kind of blasted Dean, and is somewhat to centrist for some people.

I think he identifies his defining moment in the switch as having come around 2001.

Here's his website: www.wegoted.com

[stevedeshazer]

29. Boise definitely needs some liberal talk radio

That KBOI stuff will rot your brain!

[snowbear]

34. Evolve... wow.. don't you have a computer near you?

It only takes a split second to stream either Air America or Big Eddie Schultz..

http://www.airamericaradio.com/

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/

You seriously need to tune out that rightwing B.S. and listen to something decent !!!

What's a matter with Boise-freaken-Idaho anyway???? There's tons of red states with both Air America and the Jones Radio Network (Big Eddie and Stephanie Miller)

I'm not sure about all of the programs.. but I know that on Big Ed you can listen to clips of the programs on the archives page at his site.

Dayum --- tune that crap out --- it's BAD for you (and your client !!!)

[EvolveOrConvolve]

35. I spend most of my time away from a computer

At least a computer that I can tune into a stream. I occasionally catch some Air America, but when I'm working at a client's place of business (I'm a private software consultant), I listen to whatever the employees have on. Usually a music station, but a lot of people listen to conservative radio here. I tend to tune it out, but Glen Beck caught my attention because his statements were so outrageous. There's definitely no way I'm going to ask people to change their radio stations - being an outed liberal is bad for business in Boise-freaken-Idaho. :-)

The only other times I listen to the radio, I'm in my car, and I listen to the sports talk stations. I'll be getting XM radio soon, so that will help.

[melody]

8. I'm stunned you could hear him speak over his knuckles dragging

To call him a pig is unfair to pigs.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

11. If BeackBuckEye is right,

then you're right, and he's more akin to a hyena eating the conservative radio leftovers from O'RushHannity than he is to a pig.

My apologies to pigs everywhere.

[annabanana]

10. Glen Beck has sex with his furniture?

What.. the commode? the sideboard?... I understand the oven has a nice rack..

what an ass

[EvolveOrConvolve]

12. That was my thought

Who has sex with their furniture, and further, who thinks it's ***normal*** to have sex with their furniture???

The next time I listen to ole' Glen and hear his control room chair squeaking, I'll know what's going on.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. squeaking chair...

LOL!

[ArbustoBuster]

13. Ms. Banana...

...you are my new hero. That was brilliant.

[annabanana]

38. I like you too

:hi:

[area51]

31. "Glen Beck has sex with his furniture?"

You beat me to it. :evilgrin:

And I love the squeaking chair reference by another poster. :evilgrin:

[MrSlayer]

14. He was the one making the gay jokes about Kerry and Edwards last year.

Calling Edwards the Breck Girl and said they were out of the ketchup business and were now packing fudge. The guy is a real low life even for a right wing talking head.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Oh yeah, and in an annoying voice too

He'd pretend to have Teresa call up as well.

I remember after the election he was still at it, saying something about Edwards hearing a baby in the womb, and how the baby was calling for an absentee ballot.

God help me, I laughed.

[iamjoy]

15. Are We Taking It Out Of Context?

Is it possible Beck said something more like back then it was considered OK for Jefferson to have sex with slaves so we shouldn't judge him by today's standards? We look at that now and say that is rape, but they didn't see it that way then. Two hundred years ago a man was considered progressive if he "let" his slaves learn to read and liberated them upon his death. Moral relativism - heck yes. But then, I recognize the importance of societal standards which change over time.

Perhaps in two hundred years Americans will have moved beyond consuming any animal products in any manner whatever. How would you like to think that in 2206 our descendents will look back on us and say what monsters and savages we were for eating meat? That may be an inflammatory analogy, but I have heard some animal rights activists compare their fight to that of abolitionists (although, not in so those words).

On the other hand, it is hard not to get so annoyed any time I hear people bitching about the plight of the white man. I remind myself that not all people spouting this white man as victim b.s. are racist, some of them are just fools. They really believe that since there are no laws *today* codifying discrimination that it doesn't exist - that hundreds of years of such laws are meaningless. Stupid.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. No.

Beck is scum and the idiots that listen to him.

[LittleClarkie]

20. Considering he announced on air that he wanted to kill Michael Moore

No, I don't think he was taken out of context.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

21. Taken that way, slavery was okay

back then because judged by the standards of the day, it was normal. Should we justify the crusades because they took place in another time and place that is very different from what we see now? The same goes for Hitler's atrocities - should we not judge them simply because they took place 3 generations ago? I understand what you're saying, but there are some things that are bad, whether taken in the context of their age or not.

Taking advantage of a person who is "owned" by another for sex is rape in my book, and is bad in any context.

Oh, and Glen Beck is definitely a racist asshole. Whether his racism has its foundational base in foolishness or naivety or ignorance, it is still racism.

[iamjoy]

30. Of Course Slavery Was Evil

but that doesn't mean all slaveholders were wicked. Of course what Hitler and the Nazis did was atrocious, but not all Germans were bad people.

For that matter, what about Senator Byrd? He was in the KKK! While that was in his "younth" - he was in his mid forties when he joined a filibuster of the Civil Rights Act. Fortunately, he has seen the error of his ways, but do you think he was a bad person or simply a naive one who didn't think outside the narrow frame of his upbringing?

I don't think we should justify these people's actions, but when we "judge" them as good or bad people, we do need to have some sort of context and perspective. What Thomas Jefferson did was wrong, but as a person was he really evil?

I don't really like defending Glen Beck or racism, but I wanted to give another perspective on it.

[McCamy Taylor]

32. WARNING: This thread look like RNC DIVIDEand CONQUER to me.

Bringing up the issue of Jefferson's slaves anytime Jefferson has been mentioned as an opponent of John Adams' violations of the Constitution (Alien and Sedition Act) as Al Gore did in today's speech is a FAVORITE ploy of the RNC and the Freepers. John Adams is a Saint of the Neo Cons who get erections thinking about the Alien and Sedition Act.

Slavery is bad.

Opposing violations of the Constitition is good.

Anyone trying to Divide and Conquer Democrats is the lowest of the low.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

36. Are you accusing me personally

of trying to DIVIDE and CONQUER, or are you referring to the topic, and the way Glen Beck framed it?

Or something else entirely?

[snowbear]

33. Who is Glen Beck ?

Neva hoyd uvum... :shrug:

[Skittles]

37. he's just some scum-sucking whiny piece of white male trash on the radio

who blames all his problems on anyone who doesn't look and think like he does

[formercia]

39. I think we should all screw each other until we're all the same color

but then, it becomes an issue of how white or how black or how yellow. It will never stop. There is always going to be some assh0le making an issue of race.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

40. you miss the finer point on this tidbit of trash

Underlying this remark, sits Jefferson with slaves as if that often distorted bit of history somehow ordains slavery. Plato teaches we are all slaves in a society where tyrants make laws they do not obey, while "just" individuals follow those laws.

[formercia]

42. Yup, that is so true.

Laws are only as good as the people who obey them.

[Clark2008]

43. And CNN has just hired this freak?

*shakes head sadly*

Ted Turner is probably planning to turn in his grave.