Was Clinton's "plantation" comparison too harsh?

[acmavm]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10889272/#survey



Was Clinton's "plantation" comparison too harsh? * 1679 responses
Yes.
43%
No.
55%
I don't know.
2%

[still_one]

1. the middle class is being destroyed

and to be quite honest it started with bill clinton and NAFTA

of course this is what the repukes have been wanting to do for years, give more power to corporate America at the expense of the worker

[zbdent]

8. Repukes complained that NAFTA wasn't loose enough

and they forget that Bush was the one who wanted to get it going . . . it's a Repig wet dream . . . but BC restricted it far more than a lame-duck Bush41 would have . . .

It's amazing to watch the Repukes claim that Clinton was so far left even though they kept giggling about how he was stealing their plans and implementing them as his own . . .

[still_one]

9. I agree the repukes are total destruction and far worse

[KalicoKitty]

10. Actually, NAFTA was a George HW Bush deal to start with.

Smirky is just continuing it!

George H. W. Bush successfully fought for and negotiated the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) that was later signed into law.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104566.html

NAFTA Agreement

On December 17, 1992, G.W. Bush signed the Ronald Reagan implemented the Canada-U.S. that his daddy signed!

“Thank you all very much for coming. And now I have the high honor of signing this agreement. Thank you.” – George Walker Bush

At this point, Bush signed the North American Free Trade Agreement.


George W. Bush loves outsourcing.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030506-11.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030903-3.html

[still_one]

12. that may be, but Clinton embraced it

In fact the trade deals negotiated under Clinton were NOT in our workers best interest

[liberal N proud]

2. 3419 responses

Yes. 43%

No. 55%

I don't know. 2%

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. No

because the repukes in Congress (and the analogy was about what is going on there)have stifled dissent and left Dems totally out of the decision making process. Since Sen. Clinton was speaking to a mostly African American audience, the analogy was apt.

But the analogy can be widened to mean that the repukes are making the entire country into a vast plantation, where the people are virtual slaves to corporations, and where the government, as overseer, doesn't care whether they live or die (ie Katrina).

[neverevergivein]

4. Well, if Bush had said it..yes. Hillary. No n/t

[ComerPerro]

6. First off, why would Bush have said it at all?

He won't even admit that the government even made any mistakes.

The odds of ever getting an apology from him are slim to none.

And, besides, he wouldn't be caught comparing anything to a plantation. Doing so would run him the risk of having his faithful followers wake up and realize how badly he is screwing them over.

[Vinca]

5. "Harsh" is taking pot shots with missiles at Pakistani homes in

hopes of maybe . . . just maybe . . . getting #2 . . . again.

[ComerPerro]

7. Like someone said yesterday: When do we go after #1?

[0007]

11. Fuck NO! It was right on target.

[Tsiyu]

13. Think about it

Just like plantation owners of old, Repukes believe that some people are "better" than others, that some were made "superior" by Gawd and therefor they are allowed to "own" others, to abuse and oppress those "others" and to always act in their own self-interest without regards to the consequences for the "others."

People who would not own slaves, and who were repulsed by the idea of "owning another" felt that their creator endowed all people with the right to be paid, to be free, to pursue happiness.

Plantation owners tortured, beat and separated the families of their slaves. Many kept them hungry and weak so they couldn't revolt.

I think the comparison is fair.

[hughee99]

15. Your right...

I hear that the repuke leadership can whip, beat and rape members of the house for no reason at all. They can sell them or their children off to anyone at a whim. They force them into ignorance and keep them in perpetual servitude. I don't see a difference at all. Certainly a slave of the old south was no worse off than these poor, poor members of congress. :sarcasm:

I'm not saying that the house is fair and properly run or anything, but IMHO, this kind of hyperbole does not help make our case.

[Tsiyu]

16. I am talking about this administration's attitude toward the people

which allows them to express it in ways that keep the populace poor and weak. One look at the victims of Katrina will tell you that. I was not specificlly speaking of the legislators and their treatment, but if you wish to read my statements that way, be my guest.

Hilary may have been discussing the Pretzeldent's relationship with Congress; her words only echo his view of the constituents.

Playing nice and only speaking in a hushed, subservient, "reasonable" manner has CERTAINLY helped us :rofl:

[hughee99]

17. Okay then...

While Hillary seemed to be speaking about how the house internally operates, you were referring to the way that this administration treats the populace. Do I have this right? So you're not really commenting on what Hillary said, just making a similar analogy in an attempt to defend her argument. Frankly, IMHO, there's a great difference between the "persecution" of the minority party in congress and plantation slavery. Sure the American people are getting screwed by the * administration, but that wasn't what Hillary was talking about.

[Vidar]

14. Too mild if anything.

[MADem]

18. Well, 55% think she was on the money, and I am one of them

The two percent who don't know, though...what are they, asleep at the switch?

[IndianaGreen]

19. I am not a Hillary fan

but anytime she, or any other Democrat, attacks the Bush dictatorship, I will be standing alongside with them in support.

Down with Bush!

[LittleClarkie]

20. I wonder how the audience reacted

Did they think it was too harsh, or did they cheer her.

[Carla in Ca]

21. Here is the second half of her quote that the

media is NOT playing, including Jack Cafferty:



"It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard," she added to thunderous applause.



Thunderous applause
:)

[LittleClarkie]

22. I'd say then that it didn't go too far

What was the audience makeup. Probably shouldn't matter, but if it was in Harlem on MLK Day, I would expect that there was a pretty good representation of minorities there. If they didn't have a problem with her wording, why should I?