The Neocons unwinnable battle

[Flabbergasted]

After 30-50 or more years of constant manipulation of foreign nations for a world with "American Democratic Leadership" it all seems to be for nothing. For each victory (Cold War, Nicaragua etc) we have seem the reverberating effect of self centered will bouncing back to become an even more out of control circumstance (South America rejecting capitalism, Russia rising from its "defeat", Communist China a threatening or actual super-power) And yet we still pursue to control and manipulate and change without seemingly realizing that it is the flawed American foreign policy itself that is the creator of each foe.

Alas...

[farmboxer]

1. China in South America, yet MSM will not report it. Bush says

nothing. Bush is not "one of the worst Presidents" in American history, Bush is the "Worst" President in American history, by far!

Why are most Democrats afraid of Bush? Why do they appear to support Alito? Alito is worse than Bork!

[Erika]

2. China, S America, Cuba, North Korea are good buddies

But W wants Alito to further his pro business, anti woman agenda. Heck with American freedoms.

Alito is one weird jerk but so is his president.

[yurbud]

3. Dems fear those who back Bush--and want their bucks when Bush falls

[Jamison]

4. So true, they can't have it all!

Their dreams of total global domination are as futile as Hitler's were.

[applegrove]

5. Why neocons jumped on "democracy at any cost" as an issue. And

hype it as theirs. Liberals were ready to see budding democracies exist - even if the leaders were communist - because teaching people to live in a democracy is more important than anything. And, like in the West, the far left governments have learned to govern fiscally responsibly and encourage markets.

So to stop democracies all over the world - well that created radical Islam and the like.

People will be desperate if they face unfair practices and no chance at any choice.

So now the neocons are into democracy. And if they repeat it enough times - then maybe Americans will believe it was their idea.

[WearyOne2]

6. we know they can't win but they don't.

[Fovea]

7. Looking at the US over the post WWII period

After the Marshall plan--
I struggle to find very many places where we actually improved the situation on the ground, Bosnia comes closest, and I think it would be fairer to call it a draw.

Our failure in the old Soviet states and our failure with the great majority of our so-called partners occurred when we changed the post war paradigm of WW2, where we helped our enemies to rebuild not just their economies, but their societies to a post WW1 paradigm of 'fuck thine enemy and smirk.'

So when we leave a smoking, screwed up client state behind after stripping it economically (see Afghanistan twice) the blowback pressure starts building. The obvious well intentioned affect of President Clinton bought us time. But it was followed by our smirking, willfully ignorant Corporatist Dictator, and now all the knives are coming out.

So to answer the classic freeper question, 'Why do you hate America?' It is because we went from a great nation under FDR and Truman, who understood how to build peace and prosperity out of a war ravaged world, to a petty, punitive, evil, gulag state-- the very mirror of what we struggled against for more than 40 years.

What's to love about that?

[killbotfactory]

8. So what is the tally of democracies we've overthrown vs.

those we helped establish?

Arrogance will be our downfall.