F#%&ing Dems: Kaine instead of Murtha after SOTU...

[HardWorkingDem]

Jesus. This selection shows exactly what the problem with Dems involves. Instead of selecting Murtha, Tim Kaine has been selected to give the reply after the SOTU. My problem with this is that with the recent emergence of bin Laden, we need a Dem who can point to Bush at being ineffective at capturing a giant in a land of short people who rode away through the mountains on a donkey and who was behind the killing of 3,000 Americans.

Anyone, am I delusional, or if the shoes were on the other foot, wouldn't a Democrat have been impeached by now for not catching Bin Laden? Wouldn't all the news channels be devoted to the failure of a Democrat to capture this man? I can only imagine what FauxNews would be doing about this, especially after we saw their reaction to a semen stained blue dress.

When will the damned Dems wake up and learn to play true hardball with the most criminal and inefficient group of people in power?!?!?!

[mattclearing]

1. Can you at least give Kaine the benefit of the doubt?

He won in Virginia, and he won being anti-death penalty. Give him a chance.

[HardWorkingDem]

6. Isn't the time to give someone a "chance"...

Murtha is known and can take this battle right up to Bush's paper lion palace and this is what needs to be done. American's need to see that the Dems can be tough and that for some odd reason we seem to have more bona fide war heroes than the stinking right does.

We don't need any spit and polish but someone with the guts to rip the phony right wingers wide open. The insider Dems are simply taking a flavor of the month to try and get more inside things done. We can't chance it.

[mattclearing]

10. I'm sure when you're in charge of the Party, the trains will run on time.

:eyes:

[HardWorkingDem]

15. Thanks, sarcasm always good.....

no, what we need is some damned Democrats to start showing some passion. We need Murtha to get some huge face time and tell the American people he's as mad as hell. We need to quit being these ineffective, emotionless people and show the rest of the country we do give a shit about what is going on. But what do we do? Go and look around at some of the interviews of Dems who are asked simple things - they hem and haw and avoid giving a damn answer. For example, I just read an interview on one of the websites where a Dem is asked the simple question of will he or won't he vote for Alito. His answer was a flip-flopping entire paragraph where he was all over the road from the left to right to back to the middle. It is sickening.

Murtha's comments would be dead on and straight to the point - exactly what American's need to hear from a Democrat.

[mattclearing]

17. Kaine is a solid pick. He's popular, and deserves national airtime.

We don't know why he was chosen, and it's possible that Murtha wasn't available or has tired of his time in the spotlight. Try to reserve judgment until after the response.

[formernaderite]

27. he's a very moderate dem

who thinks like a repub on many issues....including gay rights it seems. I guess he's their one WINNER!!!!

[mattclearing]

28. gay rights? Can I get a link? n/t

[radio4progressives]

14. He isn't a Senator or Congress Member who has to Vote on the Issues

that will be raised in the SOTU.

Kaine represents the State of Virginia, not the consitiuents across the nation. He doesn't have a vote on appropriation bills for the military, or vote whether or not we agree to go to war against another nation.

[mattclearing]

18. No, but he signs legislation that directly affects the Pentagon.

And his tax base is the military industrial complex. That's got to be good for something, right?

[radio4progressives]

22. hmm.

the state of virignia signs on to legislation that affects the pentagon?

how so?

i do see your point on the tax base being the military industrial complex..

[mattclearing]

25. Their roads, zoning, contracts, etc. all around Arlington.

The Pentagon can't operate without Virginia government funding/facilitation. Without the roads and funding for Metro, their employees would never arrive.

[phylla]

23. Kaine is a good choice-

He is a good speaker and a good man. The air time will remind everyone that Mark Warner was his mentor and give Mark even more buzz.
And the Democratic response, no doubt, will be vetted to the max. Tim will just be the fresh-faced delivery-man.

[mattclearing]

26. Thank you.

:)

[radio4progressives]

2. who the fuck makes these decisions i wonder?

I'm calling Senator Boxer's office to try and find out this answer.

[radio4progressives]

8. Well, both Washington and San Francisco Lines are busy...

so, i guess i'll have to try and get through later.. unless someone else can call their senator or reps.. maybe I'll try Lyn Woolsey's office..

[radio4progressives]

13. Well I just called Lyn Woolsey's office for answers....

naturally the young intern didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about... but will pass on the question for a response to be sent to me in the mail -- (big sigh)

[Teaser]

3. Kaine is an OK choice...

but Murtha would have been great. Maybe they wanted a younger face...?

[bigscott]

5. bad choice

murtha would have been better - shows what cowards the Dems are

[John Q. Citizen]

9. I'll say. They are afraid if they put murtha on, that

big scott wouldn't call them cowards!

/sarcasm

[Teaser]

11. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion

nt

[rockymountaindem]

4. Maybe Murtha didn't want to do it?

Could that be the case?

[John Q. Citizen]

7. Reminds me of the stupid play calling by New England Pats back

in '89.

Boy if I was couch, I'd never have tried to run the ball up the middle. What were they thinking!

/sarcasm

[David Dunham]

12. Many people like governors more than congressmen.

Murtha is unknown to about 98% of the US population.

[radio4progressives]

16. sorry, if murtha is unknown to 98% of the population, Keane would be

unknown to 100% of the nation, and further more Keane represents the state of Virginia, he doesn't serve on these committees that have vote on the issues of national importance.

[MrBenchley]

19. Gee, you mean it's not pro-school prayer, anti-choice John Murtha?

Imagine that.

[SaveElmer]

20. No problem with Kaine...

He is an up and comer in a Red state...and he is very well spoken...actually more articulate than Warner in debate and in a question and answer format

[godai]

21. Virginia rules! Get used to it ;-)

It appears with Warner and Kaine, there is some promising Democrat talent for higher office. Actually, Kaine is probably a safe choice for the repsonse, while other Dems may be reluctant to 'go out on a limb' following such a rah rah speech by the shrub. Hopefully Kaine will lash out at the culture of corruption. My first choice might be Al Gore. I think that he deserves it.

I do believe that Dems need to get over nominating Senators for President. They can't win against the onslaught of repub record bashing (flipity flopity). Governors (Carter, Raygun, Clinton, * = elected for 26 of past 30 years) are a better way to go, if you want to win.

As a resident of NOVA (I think of it as a 51st state), I'm happy to see Warner, now Kaine getting some promising exposure. We put Kaine over the top last November. Dems win VA, they probably win the White House.

[HardWorkingDem]

24. People just don't get it...

When Bush gives his SOTU speech, it is most likely going to be a gateway to the 06 elections. He will rely heavy on the Bin Laden's re-emergence and toss in all sorts of comments about safety, 9/11 and Iraq.

The Dems need to put some tough as nails hard hitter in there to counter all of Bush's bullshit. This isn't going to be a speech about Medicare, fraud or other general stuff, but a speech where the Dems are STILL getting lower marks on the safety of the US.

My God, how many kicks to the groin do we need? I mean look at this issue - can anyone out there point to a more corrupt and incompetent administration in the last 100 years? Come on folks - compared to these idiots in the White House OUR SIDE is STILL getting it's ass kicked when it comes to national security issues. Hell, the Keystone Cops would probably rate better than the Dems when it comes to American views on national security issues.

This is why we need a "Murtha" put one right in Bush's groin.

[radio4progressives]

29. Gore was a Senator before he was VP and he Won in 2000

Gore is the only Southern Dem I'll consider supporting in 2008.

As an Ex-patriot of the South and Military upbringing, i am frankly sick to death of this ilk governing policies that impact the REST of the country (citizens not corporations)whose interests are largely ignored by Southerners.

Gore has cultural experience out side of the southern region, which is really important for the South and for the rest of the nation, and now that he has taken up residence here in San Francisco, that will only enrich an already very enlightened perspective on matters that impact us all.

[godai]

30. Gore's got my vote!

Although I agree that Gore 'won' in 2000, he's not been President. A former Governor is. And, I'm haunted by why it was so close and why he couldn't even carry Tennessee. Also, Nader sure didn't help. Lieberman (Senator) didn't help.

While Gore certainly had been a Senator, I feel that the 2000 election was mainly based on his VP record, and anti-Clinton fury.

Maybe Gore/Warner in 2008. Dems win VA and probably the election. But, one step at a time. Win the House in 2006, then impeach the shrub. That might make 2008 a cakewalk for whichever Dem runs (I hope not Kerry or Hillary <Senators>).

[fujiyama]

31. It could have been worse

Remember when Gephardt and Daschle used to give the response? God that was just awful.

I haven't seen Kaine speak, but I likely won't see Bush's SOTU anyways (I never have in the past and have no interest in starting).

[McCamy Taylor]

32. Kaine beat W. 'Nuff said.