"We are remodeling the Democratic Party"

[madfloridian]

I am very impressed with how Tim is doing the blog at the DNC now. He has good video up of the events in Ohio yesterday. They are doing more of this now. This is from the Democracy Bond event in Colunbus, Ohio. At these events Dean speaks a while then answers questions.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/01/ohio_democracy_1.php

Scroll down to this picture for the "remodeling" clip.


Transcript of that portion from Renee.

"We are remodeling the Democratic party--you're going to see a very different party in '06 and '08. And it comes from a lot of the experiences I had in the campaign. Because we started out, as you know, in a state of 600,000 people, and 160,000 in the bank, and you built the campaign. A lot of you here *were* with me, and we learned to trust people who were out in the states and out in the communities, to do what they needed to do, and we felt that they knew best what to do in their own communities. And so you built our campaign from the bottom up. And it was an extraordinary experience because it made me understand that centralized government and centralized anything is not the most effective way to govern a country. It's not even the most effective way to run a presidential campagn. So, with that in mind as I took over the Democratic National Committee almost a year ago, we decided that we needed to invigorate this party. And let people know that they own the party. The idear, since I didn't get the job of my choice, was to change the country by first changing the Democratic party, and then changing the country through the Democratic party."

[EST]

1. As A dial up victim, I don't do many clips, but Dr. Dean

is a pure prize. The terrible fight we are going through, and will be going through even more, is an essential ingredient in the toughening up and strengthening of the good people. No pain, no gain, I suppose.

[madfloridian]

2. He once used the words "civil war" to describe what we are going through.

In effect I think he is right on that.

It is not going to be easy. BTW, I like the term dial-up victim...very true. I was one for years.

[EST]

4. In point of fact,

faced with no access at all, sometimes I fell quite priveleged. (Other times-well, so it goes)

[connecticut yankee]

3. It will take a miracle

to get the scoundrels out of power, but if anyone can, it will be Dr. Dean.

[realFedUp]

5. and it sure won't be because he didn't try.....nt

[mzmolly]

6. Thanks for keeping us posted on these marvelous changes MF!

:toast:

[Uncle Joe]

7. Kicked and recommended

:kick:

[rman]

8. self deleted

[madfloridian]

9. There are many kinds of coups.

We are living in one right now in DU. You can interpret anything you want anyway you want, and I can do the same.

I know what is happening. Many of us do.

[madfloridian]

10. Congratulations. You wanted to deflect attention from my post.

You did. Not that I care so much about the post, but I care about the reason. Pretty obvious. I wish I could post the sites where all this is being organized. Can't though.

[rman]

11. sorry, that was not my intention

it's just that the issue bothers me greatly

thread create here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2379082&mesg_id=2379082

[madfloridian]

12. I understand it bothers you.

However, IG started it a week or so ago, and you guys are not reading anything but those two words. Read the rest, where he slams Bush for not embracing the needs of those people.

That is what bothers me on either side....left or right. Intolerance and picking portions.

I agree with one of our Democrats who said that the more you try to satisfy some progressive groups....the less you succeed. I don't like a lot of the stances they take, but there has to be some moderation.

[rman]

17. Words have meaning - Dean did say those words

If Dean does stand by what he says, then anyone can respond to what he said.
If in hindsight he does not stand by what he said, he can retract or modify it. I would admire him for it.

Dean should not expect people to just ignore what he said because of any negative backlash.

[madfloridian]

32. Yeh, words have meaning....like "good German".

Like being "on the dark side of the moon." Everyone at DU should be alarmed about being referred to that way. Totally alarmed. That is no worse than the right wing would say. So when, my friend, do left and right extremes meet? Maybe on the dark side of the moon where the "good Germans" are.

Yeh, rman, words have a lot of meaning.

And then people act all outraged.

[rman]

34. Are you holding me accountable for what someone else said to you?

[madfloridian]

35. Accountable? Strange word.

When you posted in this thread, then started another just like it....not long after I posted this then I feel odd. This is a nice post I started, showing what Dean is trying to do. SUDDENLY there it is. As usual.

Accountable? I don't know, really. Do you feel like you started something that grew a bit too large for what it is worth?

Accountable? That is up to you. No one has yet said the use of the words "good German" were wrong. The thread is going on elsewhere, building up fire.

I take up for myself and for the party we are trying to form.

You have to decide on the accountable yourself.

[madfloridian]

14. I believe your intention was to deflect from any favorable post

about the DNC. Many of us keep up with other forums.

[rman]

16. believe what you want

[madfloridian]

30. After reading more elsewhere I feel vindicated.

You just keep on keeping on, and I will do so as well. I am no "good German".

[rman]

33. Are you holding me accountable for what someone else said to you?

If so, why?

[madfloridian]

36. Again, I answer you ......

When you posted in this thread, then started another just like it....not long after I posted this then I feel odd. This is a nice post I started, showing what Dean is trying to do. SUDDENLY there it is. As usual.

Accountable? I don't know, really. Do you feel like you started something that grew a bit too large for what it is worth?

Accountable? That is up to you. No one has yet said the use of the words "good German" were wrong. The thread is going on elsewhere, building up fire.

I take up for myself and for the party we are trying to form.

You have to decide on the accountable yourself.

[rman]

38. I'm not asking you to decide for me if i'm accountable.

I'm asking if you think i am, because your previous reply seems to indicate such.

For the record: i think everyone is accountable only for what he/she him/herself says.

Posts always appear "suddenly", hey never appear gradually, since they can't.
And it should not be news to you that opinions do differ on DU.

My post in this thread of yours was inappropriate, i deleted it as soon as i realized this thanks to your complaint, and i have offered my apologies. But it is not yours to demand that i don't post on certain subjects.

[madfloridian]

39. You may have the last word. I am not into that kind of spitting contest.

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[madfloridian]

13. Kick for Gov. Dean who isn't perfect, but instead of whining...

he is trying to change things.

[Adelante]

18. I'll kick to that, MF

:kick:

[madfloridian]

19. Thanks. I can just imagine what would happen to any Democrat..

who took a stand with other countries' views and not our own country. It is beyond ridiculous.

[wiley]

46. Help Needed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2056134&mesg_id=2056134

[glitch]

15. Excellent! This is how it can be done. Dean is doing a great job spreading

the information despite efforts by the corporate media to suppress it.
Grass roots + modern tech communications = educate Americans = WIN
(plus get the machines out of the voting process, there are some places where modern tech is NOT the solution).

[Toots]

20. I consider DU to be a part of the remodeling process

Some pretty damn good ideas get tossed around now and then. DU helps keep us informed in ways not available elsewhere. Dean is in touch through Gore's internet and I am possitive some things said here get back to him...

[madfloridian]

21. But fair is fair.

I remember what Skinner said about this forum not being used in certain ways, though he restricted it to election time.

I have deep fears that the demands of some on either side are so extreme as to keep us from succeeding in November.

DU is only part of the remodeling process if it does not do harm. Using DU to get a message to Governor Dean about going so far to the left ain't gonna work. He never has been there, he never will.

And the point I make is that the ones screaming about his remarks on Latin America are mainly not Democrats anyway. So they are trying to harm something they don't even belong to instead of taking part and contributing to make it better.

I have had to leave some boards because I am moderate. Now that's a shame.

[Toots]

22. I wasn't in any manner being critical of Dean or the DNC

I was giving DU a pat on the back as a possible aid to our cause. Granted there are extremes even on a basically left site.But we ARE left....We want single payer health care and better care for the needy and fairness for the worker. And truth in and from our government.

[madfloridian]

24. That is not the point.

I know what is going on. I believe in those things as well. I would like all those things as well.

Everytime I post something sensible and important, it gets turned into something ugly. It is being done on purpose.

I don't care if you criticize God, Bush, Cheney, Dean or anyone.

Not a single one of our leaders will ever satisfy the ones I am talking about. None, not one.

[Capn Sunshine]

25. I share your fear

People have got to realize that there are agendas out there. Many progressives feel that it's more productive to their cause to destroy the Democratic party. They feel once the Democratic Party is dead, that the true progressive party (insert movement here) will then come forward as the true representative of the people.

For real. Kill The Democrats. Then on to freedom.

MF knows what she's talking about.

[madfloridian]

26. Thanks, Capn. Another fear I have is about Third Way...

they are "unveiling" a new website this month. Next week in fact.

They may be hyping up their agenda as well.

http://www.third-way.com/
This is an arm of the DLC.

My fear is that those on the left who are unrelenting in demands will give more power to groups like these. They cause people to not support the changes Dean is trying to make, and they give more power to the right.

Of course all that is assuming we have any chance at all to get our country back. The media has all made a sharp right turn this right, in case folks haven't noticed.

[madfloridian]

43. Capn, I have been doing some research on this.

I feel kind of sick in my tummy right now. I did not realize just how deadly serious some are about this. It may not be a whole lot of people, but it wouldn't take that many.

I had no idea the amount of contempt they hold for those of us who supported Dean for chair and want the party to work. I had my hubby read some I found, and I just cried. I am very anti-war, very socially liberal, and I had been edging closer to left than right.

My feeling on this is that a lot of us will be so turned off at the ugliness that we will turn to the middle (so-called) to avoid it. I will turn to the "known" before I go with the "unknown" in such times of crisis. When the words "good German" were used, I decided to do some checking. People should not use such words loosely at a Democratic board where there are a lot of good people...and there ARE a lot of good people here.

This is one time I wish I were very very wrong. Thanks for taking up for me some, it is getting you grief elsewhere....sorry for that.

Now I am going to have a pity party, see if I can get up off the floor emotionally....and we'll see.

(edited to put in the word "been" in the subject line. )

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. I support Howard Dean not because I agree with him ideologically

In fact I don't in many ways.

I support Howard Dean because he is democratizing the Democratic Party and making it a relevant Party again.

[eridani]

28. My sediments exactly.

He may be a centrist in the platform sense, but he is a true radical on the subject of structural reform in the party.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. I really like it too

It's more updated and you can keep up with what's going on. I also like the Email newsletters. :D

[madfloridian]

29. Kick.

Just because I think a lot of us are trying and getting kicked in the gut for it here.

[janx]

31. kick

[madfloridian]

37. I intend to post more about the reorganizing going on.

It is a beginning and as Howard Dean said will take decades to see results.

[NoPasaran]

40. Another kick for Howard Dean

Who is not perfect but is still doing a pretty good job despite not being a political genius :sarcasm: like many of the posters here.

[Nederland]

41. Centralization

And it was an extraordinary experience because it made me understand that centralized government and centralized anything is not the most effective way to govern a country.

I'm wondering if people around here have really given thought to what this means regarding health care, education, etc.

[madfloridian]

42. Every concept bothers me in the wrong hands.

Some things work better at state level, some things might not.

But in the hands of this bunch anything is disastrous.

[wiley]

44. Strong Clark supporter

who thinks Dean is doing a fantastic job remodeling the Democratic Party. And we're all helping as well.

[madfloridian]

45. Thanks, we need to stick together in 06.

:hi: