If you could only pick one 2004 candidate to rerun in 2008 primary?

[iconoclastNYC]

Who would it be? Only one...and this is hypothetical and irregardless of any candidates intent for 2008.

This doesn't even have to be who you'd vote for. Who did the best for the party by running in the primary?

[npincus]

1. Gore/Dean or Dean/Gore... my dream ticket

[Fridays Child]

13. ...

[sarcasmo]

59. Where do I get that bumper sticker.

[Fridays Child]

64. Here you go...

My dream ticket, too! :hi: http://www.cafepress.com/artfulgoddess.17281420

[sarcasmo]

82. Thanks.

[pkspiegel]

22. Wes CLARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

n/t

[rox63]

30. Dean can't run because he took the DNC chair position n/t

[Why Syzygy]

2. Dean.

I think the populace has finally accepted him. Everyone loves the guy who got squashed. Good sport.
Plus he has SOLUTIONS. HEEEELLLOOOO.

[EST]

3. And, equally important, he BITES back!

[Nutmegger]

4. Dean is the only one who had the guts to say it.

It's good to have that in a leader.

[methinks2]

5. Edwards

I knew more than one republican who would have voted for Edwards. Great cross-over candidate.

[Why Syzygy]

10. would have?

He was on the losing ticket. Remember?

[Inspired]

25. Bottom of the ticket

He would be POTUS right now if he were on the top.

[Inspired]

26. Edwards - John Edwards

[jschurchin]

80. Yeah, So was the Tricky one in '60

And we all remember what happened in '68. He got my vote in '04 and he will get it again in '08. Edwards/Clark IMO would make a excellent ticket.

[William769]

6. Going by the title

I would have to say Wesley Clark.

[NYCGirl]

7. Okay, who's the clown who picked Lieberman?

:rofl:

[davidwparker]

8. I voted for Dean for the purpose of the poll, but since he said he

wasn't going to run, then Clark. Hmmm. I guess this is like instant run off voting. Pick the dream candidate for #1 and then get back to reality on your second pick.

[Totally Committed]

9. Clark, no "e" at the end....

I am assuming you mean Wes Clark. He would be my choice.

TC

[Why Syzygy]

12. I don't know

why this Clark thing persists. He was a total wipe out. He's cute, sure. BUT SO WHAT?
That's why the Repukes vote for BUSH for gawd's sakes. He's cute. Oh macho.

I'm about to give up on the human race.

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. For God's sake, try reading sometime

it may help you get past your preconceptions. I can understand arguments for why someone may prefer a different Democrat to Clark, or even why someone may not like Clark, but your comment here reflects back against you more than it does against Clark or those who support him. You seriously are not paying attention, are you? It's not about "cute", it's not about "macho". It is only the people who DON'T support Clark who think those are reasons why someone else might support Clark. I have had good principled debates with people who differ with Clark on one or more issues, but they at least understand that Clark has real substance, even when they do disagree with him. Go to his web site if you really are clueless about Clark being anything more than "cute". Here's the link:

http://securingamerica.com/

And if you want a clue on why many activists support Clark, visit this old DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1548301

[IA_Seth]

29. Thanks...you took the words right out of my mouth! n/t

[Dinger]

32. Correct Me If I'm Wrong,

but didn't Clark raise more money than anyone in the____quarter (forgot which)?
I might have read it on opensecrets.org, but I'm not sure.
Wes Clark, all patriot, no act.:patriot:

[Why Syzygy]

34. thanks but no thanks

I've already done my research and your implication that I have not reflects on you.

I already gave up on the human race, today January 19, 2006. No rescue team is needed. It's over.

[Jai4WKC08]

72. If you think Clark

was "a total wipe out" in 2004, it only reflects on you and the quality of your "research." For a first-time candidate who entered the race too late to run in Iowa, Clark did very well indeed. Far better than most of the other professional politicians who were running, and arguably better than anyone but Kerry. And he's only gotten better.

It also reflects on you that you appear to evaluate him solely on his campaign skills (as you see them, not as they are). Not a word about his qualifications to hold the office.

[Why Syzygy]

84. As posted elsewhere..

you already lost me. Maybe some repukes will vote for him, but I will not. Ever.
Clark supporters are still projecting a really mean attitude and won't win and friends or VOTES with that way.

I gave up. Surrender. Get him elected if you insist. Couldn't be much worse than now.
Of course it wouldn't be any better. But then ya'll don't care about that do you?
Wesley Clark at all costs. I'm not going to get into this bullcrap this time.
Idealism doesn't pay.

[CTyankee]

37. I thought Clark was "a natural" in 04

and was all for him in the primaries. When he went away fast, I felt robbed of my choice. I wonder what happened. Did the money just dry up because others got in there ahead ofhim? Is is organization better now? I hope so. We have to do this with a military guy from a southern state or at least one of the two. Northern liberals don't seem to make it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

40. What happened is that Clark didn't compete in Iowa

And Clark didn't compete in Iowa because he entered the race a year after all of the other contenders. The Presidential debates had already started and he needed to find a campaign staff and turn out position papers and all the other stuff everyone else already had covered. Folks in both Iowa and New Hampshire, bless their small state hearts, are spoiled rotten. The saying goes for many that they won't even consider voting for a candidate who hasn't sat down and personally talked with them in their or a neighbor's living room. You can not just blow into Iowa or New Hampshire for a few weeks and expect to do well in either state. Clark's advisers thought Clark could not do both states adequate justice in the time he had, so they decided to give New Hampshire voters, the first real primary, the attention that they expected from a Presidential candidate, and cut out Iowa.

And it almost worked for Clark. On December 17th 2003 Clark was tracking at 8% of the NH vote with Dean at 45% and Kerry 20%. (Clark had dropped from 11% recorded December 3rd.) The January 2-4 numbers though put Clark at 12% in New Hampshire. For the 4th through 6th period Clark tracked at 16%. For that same period Kerry was down to 13%. For January 8-10th Clark was up to 20% in New Hampshire while Kerry went down to 10%, and Dean was at 35%.

During the January 12-14 period Clark hit 24% in New Hampshire, Kerry was rebounding to 15% and Dean was at 29%. Kerry wasn't rebounding because of his campaigning in New Hampshire, he was rebounding because of his campaigning in Iowa with all the National media attention that was receiving. You see the Iowa caucuses were about to be held on January 19th, less than a week away, and the National Media was finally paying attention to the Democratic Horse Race. I remember it well, every night the political news focused on the fight for Iowa and the Democrats who were campaigning there. Clark wasn't one of them of course.

For the January 16-18 NH tracking poll, taking it to the very eve of the Iowa Caucus, Clark had slipped to 20% while Kerry had risen to 18%. Edwards who had been stuck at 3% a week before had risen to 8% with Dean down to 28%. Then came the Iowa caucus with Kerry and Edwards finishing One and Two. The NH tracking period for January 20-22 showed Clark still hanging on to 20% but, surprise surprise, Kerry was starting to really surge, up to 31% while Edwards climbed to 11%. By the January 24-26 poll Clark had bottomed at 13%, Kerry was at 35% and Edwards was at 15%. Dean had rebounded to 25% after bottoming out in the mid teens right after the Iowa caucus. When New Hampshire actually voted on January 28th Edwards, even with all his new media attention, had slipped back to a shade over 12% of the vote and Clark edged him out for third place. Kerry won of course with over 38% and Dean got over 26%

Ultimately it was all Iowa. Iowa and the non stop media coverage of Iowa, and the media focus on Kerry and Edwards and all the "momentum" they "developed" in Iowa. Without Iowa, Clark was poised to come in First or a very close Second in New Hampshire, in the first real vote of the year, against two neighboring New Englanders who had been stomping in New Hampshire for a year each. Clark got very little national media coverage starting the week before the Iowa caucus, until the day he withdrew after winning one Primary and coming in second in three. After Iowa it was all "John John" and "Dean Scream". Though he finished fourth in New Hampshire, the media decided that John Edwards should be considered with John Kerry for the Democrats who left New Hampshire with "momentum" coverage slot. And that's how it went down. Clark's money did start drying up after the media froze him out after New Hampshire, but his fund raising in December and January was remarkable.

The big difference between then and now for Clark is that Clark now has seen how the game is played and he is not completely at the mercy of the Political professionals advising him. Clark's later campaign was much stronger than his initial two months in the race. He is building his organization now for 2008.

Here is the link to the polling date from New Hampshire:
http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack /

[CTyankee]

50. Thanks. I guess Clark is your pick for 08 but who would you

choose as his running mate? I would say it would have to be a woman, perhaps one that is not so well known as Boxer or Clinton. What do you think of Janet Napolitano? She would bring in a western state. Southern, military guy and a western governor woman. Hmmm.

[Tom Rinaldo]

51. I've heard good things about her

But I also think that a President and VP need to have a good personal working relationship, so I hesitate to presume who would be the best VP for someone else. They might hit it off great though and it could be a strong ticket. I ssee the advantages

[CTyankee]

53. I agree about the good working relationship

but I am not too sure that it is realistic to expect that everything is hunky dory between the two. A woman on the ticket who is not Hillary (altho I like Hillary but let's not go there in this discussion)and who is from a western state with no baggage would be a good thing. Of course, the RW would try their usual smears but I'll bet Wes Clark wouldn't let them get away with it. John Kerry unfortunately did.

[IA_Seth]

54. Iowa

As an Iowan, let me just throw out there that he did have some very minimal organization in the state (very minimal).

Those people that were able to hear Clark's message (he did come here just before he announced his candidacy) really caught on and I think his message would really resonate with the swing voters in Iowa (of which there are a ton).

I hope if decides to run again he spends some time here. It's pretty hard to convince someone based on literature when they have charismatic candidates walking the streets.

[Silverhair]

58. He entered the races far too late to be effective. NT

[madmunchie]

56. WHO voted for Liebermann????????????

Come on fess up and EXPLAIN why!

[haypops]

31. wipe up not wipe out

Wes Clark will wipe up in the primaries if leftmost part of the party will give him an honest look.

Clark is the only candidate to have personally rebuilt the engine in his own car. He is smart enough to be an elitist, poor enough to need to do this. He is a man of the people and the Nascar crowd will eat it up. Speaking of eating, there is no confection called the Kucinich Bar. :):)
--------
Peace through statesmanship

[Why Syzygy]

46. The leftmost part

is not going to give him a look. The PARTY needs to look at the left most part. Or lose it. Again?

I have this creepy feeling that the PARTY is going to push a Clark/Hillory ticket. And that just sux. YOU KNOW that the Clintons are the ones that put him up for it? You know that? And are just okie dokie with it?

See I already gave up. So nothing from here on out can hurt me. I'm dead already.
IOW, if the best we have is Wes Clark, we are in deep doo doo. Honestly. Read it like a heart attack.

[Jai4WKC08]

74. There are many on the left who like Clark just fine

And why not? He's one of the most progressive of the potential '08 candidates after Fiengold.

Have you not seen this comparison?


http://headstrong-america.blogspot.com/2005/12/graph-rates-2008-hopefuls-on-issues.html

And no, the Clintons didn't "put him up for it" (assuming you mean his '04 run). That was a Repub lie, generated to scare away the many moderates who were attracted to him. Unfortunately, it's one repeated by far too many stupid Democrats.

[Why Syzygy]

85. I am not

listening to anything Clark or any of his supporters have to say. I'm not reading anything else having to do with him. You've made up your mind and mine is made up too. So, no point in continuing the discussion.

OF COURSE the Clinton's put him up to it. DUH!

It is finished. Done deal. I'm not LISTENING . la la la .
And calling me stupid just puts the final PERIOD on the sentence.

[Jai4WKC08]

92. You are funny!

First you say, "no point in continuing the discussion."

And in the next line (and several other posts down-thread), you continue the discussion. Sort of. You make an "OF COURSE... DUH!" statement, but offer no evidence at all. Not much "discussion" there...

Meanwhile, you discount the many tens of thousands of us who were in the Draft Clark movement. We are, for the most part, the people still here at DU, voting in these polls.

Did Clinton encourage Ckark to run? Sure. By Clark's own admission. Did many many other people as well? You betcha. And we're practically begging him to run again in 2008.

I can tell ya one thing. It wasn't Clinton that gave him the dollars to run. More dollars than any other candidate than Dean in the 4th quarter of 2003 (the only full quarter in which he campaigned). More than Dean in the month of Jan 04. And with a smaller average amount than any candidate but Kucinich.

Those dollars came from all of us, so I guess we really do exist. Lalala yourself.

[Why Syzygy]

96. obviously you are still here at DU

voting in these polls. Congratulations.

Obviously it does not matter to the tens of thousands of you that Clark is a turn off.
Congratulations.

"more than any other candidate than Dean" .. you got that right. Message. Clark has none. I will never forget his lame lame effort. He may be a fine General, but he is not a Statesman. And that's what we need.

If the tens of thousands of you cannot understand that, then I surely cannot help you. And you cannot help me. Get it?

[wiley]

Help Needed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2056134&mesg_id=2056134

[CarolNYC]

107. Your posts in this thread have got to be the looniest I've ever read....

Geez...but this one takes the cake. You throw something out there that is shown to be incorrect and your response is to put your fingers in your ears and sing "la la la, I'm not listening"?!!??? How old are you anyway? Looks like about 3 or 4 from this thread...Hopefully, you're just having a really really bad day.

[Crunchy Frog]

110. It looks like it's very much like debating a creationist

and probably about as productive. I've just been reading a board called "fundies say the darndest things" and some of these posts are reminiscent of the sort of thing I'm seeing on there.

[imlost]

76. I consider myself from the left most part and I would vote for him

I live in the bay area, CA. I recycle like crazy, I hate SUV's, I'm Mexican, a woman, etc.

I would not lump him in the same category as Clinton.
Hillary doesn't have my support.

Wes Clark is one of the few that can save this party.

[Why Syzygy]

86. he can't save this party

thanks for recycling. But when it comes to Clark, he isn't worth it. Don't bother.

[RandomUser]

95. Do you consider Michael Moore, Wellstone, McGovern, Jimmy Carter leftmost?

Guess what? They've all said good things about Clark. Clark draws from a spectrum that spans from the leftmost to the centrist. Your statement that Clark doesn't have any support on the "leftmost" seems most certainly in err when compared to the evidence that Moore and McGovern endorsed Clark. Paul Wellstone cited Clark as the one who helped convince him to vote against the war. Jimmy Carter (not Clinton) asked Clark to run. Human Rights activists like Samantha Powers, 50 diplomats, the founder of Earthday, civil rights activists and many others who I would consider to be on the left also endorsed Clark.

Assertations are all well and good, but evidence that backs that up is better. It would seem the preponderance of evidence indicates Clark had considerable support on the left.

I respect your right to dislike Clark and choose another candidate, or even none at all. I've stood up in the past and defended people who've chosen other candidates during the last primaries. I ask that you extend the same courtesy to Clark supporters. Our support of Clark was earned the hard way, not blindly given, nor blindly defended.

Protestations to the contrary, if you were truly "dead already" then you wouldn't have bothered to enter this thread and spread rightwing talking points and then refuse to debate them. Especially when the evidence indicates your assertions are in err. And when you truly feel cynical and "dead" inside, there's a quote you might find inspirational -- as a matter of fact, I'm going to use it as my new sigline.

[snowbear]

38. Uh.... yoo hoo.... question......

You think Bush is cute !?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Oh my U&%$&^%$**+)&@! I have NEVER heard that before from a Democrat.. from an Independent.. or even from a Republican..

-----------EVER!

==== GROSS !!!! ===



I'm in shock..

[Why Syzygy]

45. did I say that?

not even. I've heard plenty of Pukes say he is "cute" and an x-tian man. He is none of those from where I sit. He makes a good monkey, though, eh?

Let me guess. You like Wes Clark too? Am I right?

[Totally Committed]

52. He's cute?

And "macho"? That's why you think his supporters have stood behind him for all these years? That's kind of an insult, at least to me. I trust Wes Clark. His honesty, integrity, and the ability to tell the truth is what tells me he is about the only person qualified to clean up the mess the Bushies have made of this country.

TC

[Why Syzygy]

91. all these years?

Are you kidding me? He wasn't even a DEMOCRAT until someone filed his papers to RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

All these years. lol ..

You might want to check the archives (I was lurking the whole time) for the last primary season to get a real scoop on all the panting and speedo photos. and eewwwww . he's JUST SO CUTE! and my heart is a flutter and I just can't STAND IT. Yeah.

I'm not even going to get into his war criminal stuff. Go look it up.

[Jai4WKC08]

94. I'd post a link to the War Crimes finding, but

You wouldn't read it.

Like the old saying goes, your mind's made up, so you don't want to be confused with facts.

I do wonder tho... who among our politicians believe so strongly in the rule of law that they would be willing to submit themselves to an international war crimes court if it were their asses on the line?

[Why Syzygy]

98. okay .

I would really almost like to think you know what you're talking about.
But I don't.

I've already done the research, Roger.
And no. Once I've found the FACTS and come to a conclusion, I usually stick with it. There are topics that remain open in my mind because I don't have all the info. This is not one of them.

[Jai4WKC08]

106. You don't think we know what we're talking about

But do the Albanians who absolutely adore Wes Clark know? Does Samantha Power, Pulizer Prize winning expert on genocide know? Do the state department professionals who endorsed Clark know? Does Sadako Ogata, UN High Commissioner for Humanitarian Relief during the Kosovo War, know?

Do the soldiers and civilians who served under Clark in his 34 years of active duty know?

Those are my sources. Whose "facts" do you take as more credible? And why? And what personal context do you have to judge?

[Why Syzygy]

109. is that a na na na na?

And Jack Abramhoff is a fan of George Walker Bush. So????

I was going to leave this thread alone but your post is so taunting. You drew me back in.

I will not answer any of those questions. Ya'll are totally missing the larger picture here.
I don't give a flip from hilola who the hell endorses him. I don't. I've been voting for more than 30 years and everyone I ever voted for WON! Until Gore. What went wrong then? Don't answer. I don't want to know. I think it's because the Democratic Party lost something. And it is still missing.

With that I say, good day, sir.

[Jai4WKC08]

112. No taunting involved

You accused Clark of being a war criminal.

I provided examples of people who were there, and have in one way or another testified that he was a hero, who saved a million lives or more. I asked you, sincerely, what "facts" you think are more credible than the testimony of these very credible sources.

If you can't tell the difference between a Jack Abramoff and a Samantha Power, I can see why you don't consider the opinions of Clark supporters worth listening to either. Like a bible-belt fundamentalist hawking creationism, you decide what you want to believe and go looking for the "facts" to prove it.

Here's what Power said about Clark, btw. You can stop reading now.

Samantha Power's comments on Wesley Clark at the December 17, 2003, press conference in Concord, New Hampshire after the General's testimony at the Hague.

"Good afternoon. It's a real honor for me to be here with General Clark, and with Edita Tahiri. My name is Samantha Power. I spent about seven years looking into American responses to genocide in the twentieth century, and discovered something that may not surprise you but that did surprise me, which was that until 1999 the United States had actually never intervened to prevent genocide in our nation's history. Successive American presidents had done an absolutely terrific job pledging never again, and remembering the holocaust, but ultimately when genocide confronted them, they weighed the costs and the benefits of intervention, and they decided that the risks of getting involved were actually far greater than the other non-costs from the standpoint of the American public, of staying uninvolved or being bystanders. That changed in the mid-1990s, and it changed in large measure because General Clark rose through the ranks of the American military. The mark of leadership is not to stand up when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing. And it was Pentagon reluctance to intervene in Rwanda, and in Bosnia, that actually made it much, much easier for political leaders to turn away. When the estimates started coming out of the Pentagon that were much more constructive, and proactive, and creative, one of the many deterrents to intervention melted away. And so I think, again, in discussing briefly the General's testimony, it's important to remember why he was able to testify at the Hague, and he testified because he decided to own something that was politically very, very unfashionable at the time."
http://www.kiddingonthesquare.com/2004/01/the_subtle_art_.html

And here's a link to the findings of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia
http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/nato061300.htm

Oh, and on the off chance that you're still reading, you say I'm missing the big picture? Maybe I am because I didn't vote for the all the "winners" of the past 30 years (like Reagan and Buah41). But I do agree that there is something the Democratic Party too often lacks, and it is exactly what I bolded in the Power quote above.

[UrbScotty]

11. Dean said won't run, so I'd pick Clark.

At this moment, he and Feingold are my top two picks.

[iconoclastNYC]

16. You didn't read the poll question did you? :)

[AmyStrange]

14. Dean and Clark...

has always been my dream ticket, but I only voted for Dean,

d

[RethugAssKicker]

15. Why did you leave AL SHARPTON out..... that'w why blacks

always say how the democrats take them for granted!

[iconoclastNYC]

17. Oooops. I just forgot him.

He was really fun to watch in the debates.

[RethugAssKicker]

20. My point EXACTLY!

[madmunchie]

55. What color is Carol Mosley Braun?

It wasn't because Sharpton is black, they just plain forgot!

[wisteria]

19. My oh my, trying to divide us and rehash the primaries.

I think Kerry had it all over the other candidates during the primaries and ran a good campaign. No other candidate would of taken us to the level Kerry achieved. And that was without a lot of support from the DLC types in the party that didn't view him as one of their own. And, those that hurt our party and Kerry by portraying him as the ABB candidate, with support like that who needs enemies.

[Wesin04]

21. Clark--Wes Clark

Not Clarke.

[McCamy Taylor]

23. Edwards 2008!

He would have won in 2004, he will win in 2008! (And he would have hammered for a full recount in Ohio!)

[ksclematis]

24. Wes Clark...

all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.....in '08. No other choice.....

Never heard of him????? Check out: www.securingamerica.com and be enlightened.

[truebrit71]

27. Wes Clark. BTW there's no 'e' in the general's last name...

...Wes Clark 08!!!

[DemInTX]

28. FWIT...

would you please spell General Clark's name correctly? It's spelled CLARK.

Thank you. ;)

[Clarkansas]

33. My name says it all!

[Douglas Carpenter]

35. leaning somewhat toward Edwards

I could change my mind - And frankly I am not all that impressed with Edwards voting record in the Senate which was mediocre by progressive standards.

But he is raising the issue of poverty in America and the two Americas.

Remember when every significant Democrat and even some liberal Republicans talked about such things? It was more than 30 years ago. But it put emphasis one of the key moral travesties of American society.
It gives a moral cause and voice to the Democratic Party which most Americans don't hear.

Also, he is doing pretty well in the polls, always in the top two or three.

[snowbear]

36. Has General Clark ever lost a poll here?

http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif

~~~ :hug:

[iconoclastNYC]

42. Yeah it's really weird.

I dont get it at all. Guess Republicans don't have a monopoly on rallying around military men. I still dont see the appeal.

[Silverhair]

57. Take a look at his qualifications.

It isn't just him having been a general. He has worlds of great experience, and as an executive.

Most of our candidates are senators, and historically, the senate is a very poor breeding ground for presidents. They have legislative experience, and political experience, but they don't have executive experience.

[kevsand]

87. It's gotta be "intelligent design," right?

When experimental testing produces the same verifiable result repeatedly without variation, it has to be on purpose. Therefore, there must be someone making it happen that way. In this case, the intelligent designer would be Skinner.

Of course, it could be entirely possible that I completely misunderstand the principles of intelligent design. They are, after all, incredibly sophisticated and complex, and anything that complex is automatically beyond any possibility of scientific comprehension. At that point, we must fall back on faith in the inner mysteries. That is why I believe that Skinner is really this age's avatar of the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

[MrSlayer]

39. Wes ClarK

The general has the goods.

[FogerRox]

41. No Grahm? Senator from FL, now retired . . . ..

[PhilipShore]

43. Clark

[NativeTexan]

44. Out of that field...it's CLARK....

...HANDS DOWN!!

[Adelante]

89. Hey, you know he's in Texas next week, right?

Corpus Christi for Juan Garcia and in Houston for Gammage and Vo. On the 26th.

[NativeTexan]

102. Yep...but Texas is such a BIG place.....

...that from NE Texas where I am, it is nearly a 10 hour drive to Corpus. Believe me, my wife would like to go.....not for Wes...but our son is the Student Pastor at Padre Island Baptist Church in Corpus.....lol

He needs to get to Dallas for me...and I sure he will!!

[Adelante]

104. Yeah

He was in Dallas once or twice this year. I'm sure he'll get back there.

[Crunchy Frog]

47. Clark without the "E" on the end.

Just out of curiosity, how did Lieberman get as many votes as Kucinich on this?:wtf:

[TheBaldyMan]

48. I thought Kuchinich was the best candidate then

and haven't changed my opinion since.

[acmavm]

49. Had to put my two cents in for Clark. n/t

[second edition]

60. Kerry it is for me, I still think he has the experience, knowledge and

dedication for the job.

[egmacrae]

61. Wes all the Way

The factors that appeal to me about Wes Clark are his diplomatic skills and inclinations, and his progressive "families first" leadership on military bases where he prioritized education and health. He is a Democrat through and through. His respect for constitutional and international law make him a complete leader. I have supported him from day one and will not stop.

Emily MacRae

[MoonRiver]

66. I completely agree with you, egmacrae!

And welcome to DU!! Home of the brave and still free! :hi:

[SteppingRazor]

62. I'd probably have to go Clark, because...

1) I want all our senators and congresspeople to remain where they are, in order to better facilitate a Democratic majority in Congress.

AND

2) I'd like a reasonably clean slate in '08, meaning I probably wouldn't want Gore, Lieberman, Kerry or Edwards (though I wouldn't want Lieberman anyway, and I wouldn't want Kerry because of rule No. 1)

[RJnAbbysNana]

63. Bogus poll!

I was unable to vote, because you neglected "none of the above" in your list of possibilities. At this point, I can see absolutely no one person in the Democratic party worthy of my vote.

Regards,

RJnAbbysNana

[TriMetFan]

65. I picked President Kerry.

But I think he should have Clark as his V.P.

[MoonRiver]

67. Did you forget about President Gore? Even though he wasn't on the poll,

he is the only legitimate president in this country.

[TriMetFan]

68. No I didn't, but like you said....

he was not on the poll. If I could I would automatically put Gore in the White House, because like you said he is the true President of The United State's.

[Mark E. Smith]

69. Clark

The one and only.

[catmother]

70. i voted clark because you said rerun. i actually like mark warner

maybe warner/clark or clark/warner?

[zann725]

71. Kerry combined with some other VP...someone who brings out his 'daring'

and speaking Truth to Authority. Durbin? Boxer?

[Inspired]

78. It won't be Kerry

because HE lost the election in '04. Not his VP candidate.

[sandnsea]

73. I choose Carol Mosley-Braun

Just to show it really is about having a true liberal in the White House.

[democrank]

75. Clark.

Wes Clark, a guy who doesn`t have to beef up his uniform with a codpiece.

[Adelante]

77. Clark

Still Clark.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

79. Lyndon LaRouche ...........

Just kidding. Look at my avatar.

[Why Syzygy]

88. I'm not falling for this again.

Gore ran a very disappointing race. And gave up.
Kerry made an even poorer showing.
If Clark is the best the Dems can come up with, I just have no hope left whatsoever.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

103. So what wrong with LaRouche .......

:popcorn:

[Chulanowa]

81. I say Clark

but I feel Gore. :D

[Adelante]

90. Welcome to DU, Chulanowa!

:hi:

[Clarkie1]

83. It's Clark, not Clarke...we need his voice out there to win. eom

[salin]

93. what about Graham, Sharpton or Gephardt?

[Phoebe_in_Sydney]

97. Clark is the most likely

... to have learned the most from the 2004 campaign. And is most likely to improve dramatically on his 2004 showing when he entered late and tried to build and campaign organisation on the run.

I mean, I'd choose him for dozens of reasons already articulated in this thread, but apart from anything else, he had zero campaigning experience then but since has worked tirelessly learning the ropes, working with the party, supporting other Dem candidates, dealing with the media (the more hostile branch of it, too, being a Fox regular) speaking at events across the country, and building his grassroots.

[Why Syzygy]

99. does Gulf War One

ring a bell with anyone here? Ya'll are casting a vote based upon a media image.
And DUers are almost so much wiser than that.

Do you remember Clark out there on the ME map giving some kind of techno-whatever explanations for why things really sucked? Is that it? He's a media personality. So he must be presidential material. That's it. That is it. I made the right decision when I gave up on the human race.

You want to stand here on the one side and deried mass media, but then fall prey to it.
Helloooo . anybody out there. That is not rational.

[Tom Rinaldo]

101. I hope you find a better race to join

But how many times are you going to give up on the human one in a single thread? Going for the Guiness Book of Records?

You have registered your negative opinions. You have made your claims that your opinions are based on all of your personal research, which we are supposed to believe, but you refuse to believe that any of us who support Clark and have done our own research are doing anything more than casting a vote based on a media image. It's kind of hard to continue any dialog from that starting point, so are we through yet, or do we have to go through several more rounds of you giving up on the human race and signing off before you do indeed sign off?

[Jai4WKC08]

105. Clark was a one-star at Ft Irwin CA during Gulf War I

I guess you mean the current Iraq War. I haven't a clue as to what you mean by "out there on the ME map" since he was practically living in the CNN studio.

Apparently facts aren't your long suit, are they?

Wes Clark is a man who has devoted over 40 years to the service of this country. He led the NATO alliance in its first and only war without incurring a single allied combat casualty. He conducted the military negotiations of the Bosnia Peace Treaty. He has managed education, health care, housing, infrastructure, courts and police, and every other civil administrative function for as many families as one finds in a small state. He has won awards for environmental protection, and filed briefs in support of affirmative action to the Supreme Court. He has been working his butt off to get Democrats elected to office since the mid-term elections of 2002. He is already travelling all over the country for candidates running in 2006.

He was not born on March 6, 2003, and he is NOT a media creation.

Many of us here have met the Clarks personally. Most of us worked in some capacity in his 2004 campaign, and most of those worked as hard for Kerry under Clark's leadership. Some of us even knew him or his reputation before he retired from the military in 2000.

Yet you persist in believing that you have greater insight into the man and his character than those of us who know him far better. And worse, you repeatedly insist that it is somehow we who are deluded or irrational. You're a real piece of work.

[indie_voter]

100. My dream ticket :Gore/Clark

[Texas_Kat]

108. This tickled me.... and it happened this afternoon

Driving down the street late afternoon in Austin Texas after a full day of working for an 06 candidate, tired, preoccupied and stopped at a red light. A cab driver frantically made window-rolling-down motions to me. I'm sitting in the passenger seat, he's in the left lane with his window rolled down. I assumed maybe my little red truck was on fire....

This guy's in his 40's, a little five-o'clock shadow, plaid shirt, passenger in the back seat. Not your 'typical' internet activist, not the type you'd think might be blinded by 'celebrity' or even pay much attention to politics till it's 2 days before an election.

Rolling down the window, he shouts "Is there a Draft Clark Website up yet?"

I realized he'd noticed the Clark 04 bumper sticker on the back window of my little red truck.

All I could do was shout out Clark's website address..... We both drove off, but this time, I was smiling.

[Crunchy Frog]

111. That is an awesome story Kat!

Pretty cool experience. You should put it up in a separate thread.:)

[McLuhan]

113. Well, I have a Clark '08

bumper sticker on my vehicle. And, a "Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry" sticker on the other side. Ok, plus a Bartcop.com sticker on my back window. No middle finger directed at me yet. :>)