Maybe Already Covered... Does Anyone NOW Doubt WHY Hillary Can't Win???

[ChiciB1]

I've been away for about 4 or 5 days so I don't know everything that has been covered. I'm SURE this must have been discussed at length, and if so I'm sorry. I just want to get some feed back for myself.

I've been a "NO" to Hillary for some time now, partly because of her RW courting in the past, but MOSTLY because of what just happened this past week! NO MATTER what she says, how she says it she'll get SLAMMED for saying it. We MUST NOT have her as a nominee... the Repukes have done far too much damage already, let's not LET THEM pick our nominee!

THEY want Hillary to run and it's quite obvious to me and should be to most others! This will be a disaster. Right NOW Tweety is discussing the ISSUE and stated that what she said was "disgusting!" Of course, it IS Tweety... but they'll take it and run with it no matter what!

Am I totally in "left" field here???

[still_one]

1. no

she has too much baggage

the party needs new blood
i.e. feingold, clark, and others

[El Supremo]

2. No, you aren't.

[rodeodance]

3. she has been racked over the coals last few days--on all talk shows for

a few comments she made. if they are this hard on her-now, i can not image what they say a few years from now.

[ChiciB1]

7. My Point EXACTLY!!

Right now on Tweety THEY just can't STOP talking it up!!

We had better get it together and put the "fire" for her OUT!

Just my opinion!

[guidod]

10. Quit cowering and

keep the fire burning.

[Warpy]

12. Oh, hell, just read Molly Ivins today

What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

<snip>

Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight, we'll find someone who can.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=20250

It's a great article on why the conservatives in the party, Senator Clinton included, are the wrong people at the wrong time for the wrong office. If you want to lose another presidential election, run Clinton or some other conservative. If you want to win and to hold onto power, run someone who will give working people some hope for a better future, not business as usual.

It's as simple as that.

[ChiciB1]

18. Home Run... As Usual From Molly!

Geeezzz, I LOVE her! I fortunately got to meet her and get my picture taken with her right before the last election! I've loved her columns and almost everything she has to say!

She hits the nail on the head and I'm SOOOOOOOOO glad she wrote what she did! Extremely good advice and WE should take it!!!

[madmunchie]

24. The elephant in the room SHE IS A WOMAN

Face it, I don't know how many people would discount a candidate for President BECAUSE she is a woman. Combine that with the Clinton baggage, her polarizing affect and her moderate to conservative record - to date in the Senate and there is no way in Hell that she could ever win. The Repubs fondest dream would be for the Democrats to have her run for President, if she does get the nomination, we have played right into her hands. The liberals will not all fall in line for her. The liberals are too independent to just vote Democrat for the sake of voting Democrat, they have proven that the last couple of elections.

For the record, I believe that we are long past due a woman in the WH.

[napi21]

4. Let's just wait and see who else is running.

I know Hillary is a lightening rod, so does everyone else! She's also a very smart person, and I think she would make a great President!

Before you hammer her, think back on the past Dem men who've run and LOST!

Hillary has been though more political testing than ANYONE ELSE!

Let's just wait and see.

[rainy]

5. they will be hard on ANY dem. Just look at how they treated

Dean, Kerry, Edwards, and the list goes on and on

[khashka]

6. No I think you are right

I think she might make a good prez - but she is too divisive. The RW absolutely hates her and will go to great lengths to trash her.

Maybe later, but not now.....

Khash.

[LittleOne]

8. I have to agree.

Her credibility was shot with me when she didn't castrate her philandering husband or tell the world to piss off it was none of our business he was getting a blow job from someone else other than her. That is all I see when I look at her. Sad really.

[guidod]

9. Why do you care if she...

...gets slammed by the right? Do you feel she should apologize for what she said, like Reid did today? If someone slams you for what you think is right, slam back. That's what's wrong with a lot of the elected dems, they keep saying they're sorry for the way they feel. If what you are talking about is when she talked of the house being like a plantation I suggest you google "Democratic Plantation" and see who started all of this. We have to STOP cowering.

[ChiciB1]

16. I KNOW Who Started It!

No Newts Is Good Newts! Yeah, Newt Gingrich said it first, but does THAT matter??

No! And it's not JUST RW's who will be "turned off" by her! Far too many Dems and Independents will simply turn away BECAUSE of everything in the past!

Sure Repukes WILL lie and attack ANY nominee, however NONE more than Hillary!

[guidod]

21. She's not my favorite candidate but

at least she has a spine. I am so tired of people expecting their democratic candidates to be politically correct all of the time. She said nothing wrong and we have to stop being the doormat for the repukes to wipe their feet on. It's time to fight fire with fire.

[ChiciB1]

22. I Don't Think She Said Anything Wrong Either...

I just feel the Repukes are salivating over the thought of her being the nominee!

And, I certainly DON'T think she has been very strong when it comes to having a spine! I've heard VERY VERY little from her until this past week. In fact, it seems to me that she was leaning pretty much to the right for some time now.

I happen to AGREE with what she said, I WISH she had said a lot more before now. That still doesn't mean she isn't a lighting rod and she has a bulls eye on her back! One outspoken speech, perhaps because she senses that many of the "base" Democrats are against her, does not a nominee make!

Not for me anyway. I only HOPE we aren't going to get sucked into MORE crap, as Molly Ivins stated!!

[guidod]

23. Let them salivate, who cares...

...I don't think shes a strong candidate either, in fact I don't think she will be the candidate. You notice the people that are pushing her is all the media and the repukes. They want her to run because they know she will lose. They're the ones that keep pushing her down our throats.

I've decided not to listen to a word they say. If I see one dem elected official acting like a coward and sayiong their sorry for some cowardly reason I'm going to get on the phone.

For myself, I like a Gore/Feingold ticket. Stay strong.

[ChiciB1]

26. As You Can See... I Really Like Edwards For Various Reasons

but I have come to appreciate Feingold a great deal. Gore of course DID win the election in 2000, and I still think there was massive fraud in 2004! Neither election was WON by The Idiot! But it doesn't seem to matter much now.

I too want much more "fight" from Democrats... and fervently hope they won't continue to be "sheep" for the Repukes. Ergo... my resistance to Hillary.

[guidod]

28. I don't want Hillary either but

if I had to I would support her. My three favorites, in order, are Gore, Feingold and Edwards. I like Kerrys brain but I don't think he knows how to campaign and he pissed me off when he accepted the results of the 2004 election so quickly. He folded like a house of cards. I could see in Edwards eyes that he was irate, he sure loves his wife and kids doesn't he.

[ChiciB1]

29. John Edwards Is A Truly GOOD Man...

And if you have ever seen him in person you would see a certain aura about him.

His wife Elizabeth is such a plus, not only loving and giving, but extremely intelligent. She always seems so upfront and forthright when answering questions. I watched her several times on C-Span at Town Hall meetings and she was so engaging. I can see why he loves her so much. As a liberal it has always surprised me that I am drawn to him as a candidate. He is more moderate than I, but he sure can WOW a crowd. I also think he really believes his "two Americas" philosophy and I really respect the way he went out right after the election and kept on doing work for the less fortunate. That he has devoted so much time to poverty stricken people makes me believe he understands about those less fortunate and actually wants to help others.

You might also want to think about where he's from and even though he didn't carry his own state (a fact I'm not sure I believe) I actually think he would be an asset this time around because of the location. Many in the south have come to see a different person than The Idiot portrayed himself as during the election. He wanted everyone to think he was a "good ole boy" when in truth he was just pandering and lying. I called him and Cheney Smirk & Snarl!

Edwards on the other hand came across as A Natural!

[guidod]

30. Edwards would be great...

...we need a lot more honesty in Washington and our lives right now. I'm 58 years old and I've never seen this country be so deep ion the dumps. We need Edward's little boy in the White House.

[ChiciB1]

32. Touche' I Am A Boomer Too!

I feel the same as you... NEVER have I seen America in the shape it is today! You must recall when things were so different. I wonder sometimes what really happened in these past few decades and think maybe it all comes down to money!

Why do RICH men/women need so much more?? I live in Florida and heard yesterday on the news that a woman gave away 50 million dollars to the Ringling School of Art. Now I have no problem with the arts, but in a time when I see many around me struggling to make ends meet, it seemed a little wasteful.

I know first hand of some very sad stories of how bad it has become for others to make it through each month. I'm involved right now trying to get help for one family and I'm amazed at the brick walls I've come up against. They make about $15.00 over what it takes to get Medicaid. It's a long story so I won't go into all of it, just to say that my friend's mother had to go to the emergency room because they have NO health insurance. Her mother has Shingles and they gave her a prescription for Valtrex, the cost - $298.00 for 30 tablets. Needless to say they CAN'T afford to pay for it. They asked for samples but were told they would have to go to a doctor for that. She can't go to the doctor because the visit costs too much for their budget.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg for them. I've helped them financially and given them basic necessities because they can't make it through the month. The father passed away and my friend was in an accident and hurt her back. Not enough to get disability, but she also has to care for her mother who had a heart attack about 4 months ago. It goes on and on and I can hardly stand to see how hopeless they feel.

I remember a time when people like these, who live in basic poverty could at least get a "little" extra help. It's really a shame. Enough, I just go on and on.

It's late here, but I'm glad we are like minded! Liberal IS NOT a dirty word!! My heart BLEEDS!!

[SaveElmer]

11. Hillary invariably comes out of these slime attacks...

WIth greater strength. In my opinion she is the best in the field at dealing with them. No matter who we put up the Republicans are gonna smear them. They have a harder time getting away with it with Hillary than others...

If they wanted her to run they would shut up...she is the front runner now, why attack her.

[snowbear]

13. Front runner for what?

You are referring to the New York senate seat, right?

[SaveElmer]

14. Well that is a given of course...

:-)...but no I was referring to the far off Presidential election.

[catmother]

15. she's not my choice, but if she gets the nomination, she'll get my

vote.

[leetrisck]

17. There scared to death she will run

Hillary has been investigated until hell froze over - she can take it and she can slap back and will if and when the time comes. Since when does one trust Tweety on anything. Yes, you are totally "off the wall."

[ChiciB1]

19. I Respectfully Disagree... But Thanks For The Reply!

No matter how much she's been "inspected" it will ALL come out in SPADES AGAIN!!!

Over and over and over!!!

[Danieljay]

20. Because she has no idea what she stands for...like a leaf in the wind..she

goes where the wind blows. Hardly a leader.

[threadkillaz]

25. But how come when Hillary fx up..

...the media doesnt play it 663 times in one week, like the Howard Dean "soundboard" recording in Iowa?

Because she is their candidate. They will prop her up thru '08. She's safe to the media.

Howard, on the other hand, knows they are where the problem lies, isnt afraid to say it (obviously the reason they took him out). Howard didnt rely on their advertising "system" to raise his $. Howard caused the Media to become less significant, via a successful internet campaign. A chink in their armor. Keep marching.

[ChiciB1]

27. And THIS Is The Problem....

the media whores, regardless of the "liberal" tag, MOST are owned and controlled by Repukes!

I hear about the LIBERAL media all the time on C-Span, every morning... sorry I was around WHEN there was a more liberal media... one that actually DID some "hard work" by investigating, digging and then reporting what they found.

How I miss that! Where are all the Bill Moyers types??? Molly is still swinging, but there are very few!

[madfloridian]

31. If she is the nominee, I will most certainly vote for her.

I am to that point. I wavered for a while, and some of them piss me off. But I think she has some good sides to her, and some bad sides. I have seen too much lately not to take a stand with my party.

Most of them are good people, and I will still fight them on issues.

But I will do nothing to give control back to this evil bunch.

[wiley]

33. Not to start a flare up, but

It just seems to me that a lot of Hillary bashers draw Edwards supporters. Can we leave it be until after the 06 elections,people? It makes it unpleasant for Democrats on this board. I would think you would be more animated by the RW saying Bin Laden's latest tape is exactly what the Democrats have been calling for for years. Abramhoff has been placed in White House staff meetings. Alito threatens our entire century. Etc. Etc. Etc. Come on!

[madfloridian]

34. Amen, there is too much at stake right now.

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[NativeTexan]

35. She has one asset the others don't have.....

.....she is married to the BEST POLITICIAN OF THE LAST TWO GENERATIONS, who KNOWS how to campaign better than anyone else in the country.

[OneBlueSky]

36. the LAST thing we need is an election that's all about Hillary . . .

there are REAL (and damned critical) issues facing us, but a Hillary candidacy would ensure that the whole campaign would be about her . . . and that we do not need . . . and cannot afford . . .