When does it become time to quit supporting this government with taxes

[Toots]

When do we feel it is no longer a government that deserves the support of the people it is systematically trying to suppress? There is a time for civil disobedience and that time is drawing near, very near. The best way IMO is to refuse to pay taxes that go to support only the wealthiest people on earth and to kill innocent people around the world. Bush* has pretty much declared himself dictator and I refuse to support a dictator. When he says he has powers that come about because of war and uses the "war on terror" as his excuse he is declaring himself above the law. Terror has been around forever and will always be around so by definition this "war on terror" will be forever. These supposed special powers he has claimed are permanent. They are not emergency powers used only during a war. These are permanent powers that are totally unconstitutional. When does it become our duty to disobey? If we continue to support this rogue regime we will become accomplices. Just like the "good Germans" we will go on about our business like normal but what we are doing is giving them our approval by not protesting. When do we act? When? I can not do it by myself. If we all act as individuals we will be treated as individuals and accomplish nothing. It must be an act of civil disobedience that is accomplished by millions to have an effect. We must cut off their money supply. If we don't we will have a fascist government. Maybe we already do but we still may be able to save our country. The time is near when we must act or forever hold our piece. I can think of no other way to really effect change without disrupting their money supply. We must be bold or we will never be again.

[ladjf]

1. You mean defend our liberty by going to jail?

[Toots]

2. Mass disobedience; and yes if that is what it takes..

:shrug:

[ladjf]

10. Toots, your heart is in the right place. But, in my opinion, the

angry Federal Gvt. would be able in incarcerate all of the non-payers. It wouldn't bring down the govt. Now, if by my single imprisonment, the government could be toppled, I would do it. My point is that all the would really happen is that the objectors would be sitting in jail for nothing.

[Neil Lisst]

3. That's about the best way to end up in a federal prison.

It's never worked, it never will, and they will come after you.

[rman]

5. "It's never worked" - entirely UNTRUE

MLK
Gandhi
Nelson Mandela

and probably a whole lot of others.


They went to jail - and it did "work".

[Neil Lisst]

8. Wrong. The proposal of the OP has NEVER worked in the US.

Your comparison of this proposed action by the OP to those of MLK, Gandhi, and Mandela is misplaced. We're talking about paying taxes. But if you want to be indicted and imprisoned because you think it's the thing to do, that's your call.

Hopefully others who read this will take note that it is illegal, and it has never worked in these United States.

[Burning Water]

6. Damn straight.

If the courts decided the prisons were too full, they'd let murderers and rapists go free before the tax cheats.

[rman]

7. it's a lie that "it never worked"

[Neil Lisst]

9. Since the income tax amendment passed, OP's plan hasn't worked.

It never has. Name any time it has worked in the US since the Income tax was created.

Advocating nonpayment of federal taxes is a huge mistake.

You're not doing our causes any good with such dangerous and illegal notions. That is just the kind of ammo the pubs love to have. Do you think anyone to the right of Che will agree with you? Not in the voting United States.

I do not hope to dissuade you, only to make sure that others here don't get lost in your fantasy.

[joeprogressive]

4. Here's a thought

If the government can garnish your wages because of a 20 year old federal loan you didn't re-pay, what is our recourse when the government fails to provide us with social security? Don't we have an implicit agreement with the government that we pay into a system that they will protect and eventually pay us back that money put in.

[KnowerOfLogic]

11. Since elections are now a joke, we have taxation with no representation.

of course refusing to pay taxes is justified morally, and maybe legally, but since the bush cartel is running things, there would be a price to pay. unless you're a rich FOB.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

12. Neil is right.Toots

Your heart is perhaps in the right place but your ass will land in prison. You will never be able to vote against repukes again. It won't be some misdemeanor like getting hauled into a city jail for exercising First Amendment Rights, after which all charges may be dropped. Perhaps consider redirecting your enthusiasm toward registering minority voters in your area or setting up chapters of DFA. Yesterday a Dem pal told me Russ had a grass-roots thing going. Has anyone heard of a Feingold grass-roots movement?

Have you ever thought of organizing grass-roots movements that have economic impacts similar to a boycott at a local level against repuke mouthpiece media? I see things like massive highly organized boycotts and other legal demonstrations in the not-so-distant future.