Who Can Beat McCain?

[ruggerson]

Not who do you want to be President.

Not who do you fervently support for President.

Not who represents your belief system.

Not who turns you on with fiery rhetoric.

But, strategically, geographically, politically speaking ONLY....

Who can beat John McCain?

[FSogol]

1. All of the above. n/t

[Sub Atomic]

26. Newt Gingrich

Newt will likely be the next Republican presidential nominee.

They're counting on the fact that the average American will only vaguely remember who he was.

[Brundle_Fly]

2. ALLLLLLLLLlll GGGGOOoooooOOOooooooRRREEEEE

see my avatar beOtch

[hollowdweller]

13. I really like Gore but Mc Cain would clobber him in the South.

People hated him here because he is pro gun control.

[hollowdweller]

15. Warner, Feingold, I think Clark could.

I wouldn't count Hillary out if Bill was giving her advice but I think that Warner and Feingold would do better in the South because they have more rural appeal. Clark is not warm enough to do well in the South but would get votes because military people get more respect there.

[AndyTiedye]

17. We Get Clobbered In The South No Matter Who We Run

Now If we can do a bit better in the SouthWEST,
we might have ourselves a President.

[TheFarseer]

38. doing better in the SW would be hard

vs. a senator from Arizona.

[AndyTiedye]

43. If We Ran a Governor from New Mexico

Isn't McCain getting a little old for this sort of thing?
He would be the oldest man ever elected President if he is elected.

[MissMarple]

34. What kind of gun control?

I'm just asking. I don't have a clue what his position is on gun ownership and use. :)

[Wetzelbill]

3. George Allen in the Republican Primaries

:)

[ruggerson]

5. Shut up

that's another poll :)

[Wetzelbill]

7. I know I just got nauseas

remind me not to do that again.

[nankerphelge]

4. Whatever republican faces him in the primary...

they won't let that guy on the ticket.

[d_b]

6. Clark.

A Clark/Clinton ticket for sure.

[waiting for hope]

8. Al Gore/John Edwards Ticket!

[Vidar]

9. I voted Clark, love Gore, but frankly I don't think we can beat McCain.

[A Simple Game]

16. Get the right batch of Republicans in the primaries

and they may tear each other apart. <Fingers crossed>

Of course the Democrats could do the same thing, they were very good in the last primary season thought. <Fingers crossed>

[Adelante]

24. Very tough, I agree

We have to be extremely careful and smart about who is the Dem nominee.

[Sparkly]

30. I do...

ESPECIALLY if a third-party Ultra-Conservative gets in the race. I'd support one to split their vote -- wouldn't you?

[Vidar]

31. Yes, but don't see it as likely

[Josh]

10. Can we have a NO ONE option?

I'm serious: if McCain makes his way through the Republican primaries, he can not be beaten.

[IndianaGreen]

11. There are some real losers on that list

But there are several winners too!

I voted for Kerry for the simple reason that Al Gore has explicitly said he is not running for President. Clark is nowhere to be found in the polls, despite his numbers on internet boards.

Mark Warner? Good luck!

Biden and Hillary? Losers!

Russ Feingold? My personal favorite but he has show his stuff.

McCain's psychiatrist? A WINNER!

[Jai4WKC08]

19. Huh? Nowhere?

Clark routinely beats Biden, Warner, Feingold, Bayh, Richardson, and Vilsack in the scientific polls. I don't think they mean much--it's mostly name recognition this early out. But where do you get "nowhere to be found"?

I voted for Clark in this poll. I think he's the only one with a chance to beat McCain. But I don't think McCain can win the Repub nomination. He's pretty widely hated by their base.

It's no accident most of the scientific polls have McCain and Guiliani at the top. They're mostly name recognition as well.

[skipos]

12. This polls is going to end up like every other one... Clark landslide.

I wish it were that way outside of the internet.

[FrenchieCat]

33. How did you know?

[Catchawave]

14. "The John McCain Scam"

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/11/23/152420/22

The original post:

"By Nathan Newman | bio
From: House of Labor
One of the danger signs for Democrats that a Bush collapse doesn't necessarily mean much for progressive gains in policy are the polls showing that John McCain could step up and poll almost twenty points more than either Hillary Clinton or John Kerry in 2008.
Of course, a lot of this is due to the McCain image of "moderation", but it highlights why Dems can't depend on "clean government" as their whole rhetoric, since there will be GOPers like McCain happy to grab the anti-scandal banner. So Dems need more than scandal; they need to take down the whole GOP agenda and make it clear that folks like McCain, despite his media image, is ultimately down with the whole conservative policy agenda.

Luckily, The Nation has a nice piece this week detailing McCain's hard-right record:"

......the responses are worth the read !

[Robbins]

18. Mccain

We need someone who can hit him hard,and can do It with credabilty. That man Is Al Gore. People
want someone different than Bush and the Media Is helping Mccain with the moderate lable even though
he Is with Bush 90 percent of the time. Gore Is the perfect guy If he runs.

[radio4progressives]

20. Al Gore of course.. (no brainer) n/T

end of discussion.

[dorktv]

21. I could beat him if you give me a stick.

[wiley]

23. You can't find a stick?

[dorktv]

49. no

[snowbear]

22. In any words.... it's too early to ask....

http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif

We could even wind up with a candidate or two that aren't on that list... I can't wait for the '08 election though! ~~~~

[FrenchieCat]

25. Wes and only Wes can rival McCain

with the national security common strong leader image.

But it won't be the qualities of the candidates that will matter...it will be how the media reports on them.

Clark has the best chance because if nothing else, that man won't take the media's shit!

[mitchum]

27. The North Vietnamese?

if history is any indicator...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

46. OUCH! n/t

[leesa]

28. Stop pushing McCain as a viable candidate. Stop doing the GOP work.

[TheFarseer]

39. They already know he can win

they just don't want him and nothing we say can change that. He's about as popular to them as Ben Nelson is to us.

[LittleClarkie]

29. With what?

Depends on the weapon.

[mrgorth]

32. Glad you included Schweitzer

Pair him up with Clark or Richardson.

[TumorSupressor]

42. Hi is my dark horse pic.

He has got that "the kind of guy I'd like to have a beer with" style. I personally hate that people pic a president based on that but unfortunately they do.

[Dulcinea]

35. McCain won't get the nomination, so it's a moot point.

The fundies hate him & will stay home in droves if he's the nominee.

All their base are not belong to him.

[0007]

36. McCain won't make it that far.

[TheFarseer]

37. none of the above

if McCain gets the nomination, it's game over. just my opinion, you don't have to agree with me.

Well, on second thought, Gore and Warner might have a chance, but things would really have to break our way.

[SteppingRazor]

40. I have to agree...

I don't think McCain would make it through the primaries. But if he did, I think we could be fucked. Not because voters will be truly voting for a moderate, but because most voters will vote for the PERCEIVED moderate.

[FrenchieCat]

41. About your second thought.....Could you please share with us

why you think those two? Thanx!
:hi:

[TheFarseer]

45. Gore & Warner because

Gore because we might be able to convince people things were better under Clinton with no wars and an economy that worked for everyone and I think he might be able to rally support because of a superior energy policy which for some reason I think he will have. Warner because he was such a success in Virginia, and I think he is the only candidate who might be able to out-moderate "Mr. Moderate" aka John McCain. I think Mark would have the edge in practical solutions for the economy. This of course depends on events in the Mid-east dying down so that McCain can't just overwhelm him with "security" since he is weak in foreign policy.

[FrenchieCat]

47. Oh yeah.....

This of course depends on events in the Mid-east dying down so that McCain can't just overwhelm him with "security" since he is weak in foreign policy.

depends alright....on IF the GOP "suddenly" stops using Osama tapes (although those work great for them)to increase their approval ratings and distract from other issues.....and there is peace in the world, including in Iraq. :eyes:

Please know that national security is the GOP's trump card...which is why McCain "seems" so strong when we think of which Repug could possibly beat just about any Dem. So for you to surmise that National Security might not be a big issue in 2008 (although it has been since 2001) is really not using a lot of political insight.

In reference to Al Gore.....I don't have as much hope as you do that somehow he will be able to convince the masses that he is "the one"...even if many here think so. I can see it now....the Corporate media stating that Gore has AGAIN re-invented himself, this time as an ultra liberal. Gore only marginaly won back when the economy was great and there was more or less peace in the world. Although the approach you propose sounds good, I don't think it would actually work.

I conclude that IMO, Gore could have a small chance....but not Mark Warner, His campaign could be too easily manipulated by the other side; with another impeccably timed Osama Tape, an "increased" Terra alert....or God knows what else.

[TheFarseer]

48. Well, like I said, things need to break our way

We already basically agree on Gore.

Now for Warner and anyone else that would need national security minimized as an issue - three years is a long time. Suppose we take out Iran's nukes with an airstrike and Iraq gets better(hey, it's possible in three years) or suppose people just get sick of this BS because the economy is shit and it just doesn't seem as important. I know it's a bit of a long-shot, but so is beating McCain. Honestly, I really think he would beat any of our candidates but hey, I guess you never know for sure.

[Totally Committed]

50. I look at Warner this way:

He's Mike Dukakis without the charisma. (Get what I mean?) And, on top of it, he's a posterboy for a group I loathe -- the DLC. Two strikes and he's out, in my book.

TC

[Auntie Bush]

44. Wes Clark! He can get the:

Southern vote.
In fact...he can get the whole country's vote. (North, East, middle & West)
Catholic vote
Protestant vote
Jewish vote
Hispanic vote
Military vote
Democrats
Independents
and Many disgusted Republicans