Canadian Early Results Liberals 44

[Brundle_Fly]

Liberals 44 Conservatives 18 NDP 7 Bloq 3

these are ridings....not percentiles...meaning we have 43 liberals in the house already.

I will update

there is 231 ridings to go.

[Brundle_Fly]

1. update

Liberals 44 Conservatives 24 NDP 9 Bloq 4

[IndianaGreen]

2. CBC said they weren't reporting votes until 10 PM ET

Where are you getting your info?

[Brundle_Fly]

3. CBC.

I think maybe it was atlantic time?

been going for 49 mins

[Endangered Specie]

4. Cspan isnt showing CBC.ca until 10pm...

I plan on listening:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

It will be on Cspan1 at 10pm est (7pm pst)

[Brundle_Fly]

5. update

Lib = 50 CON = 39 NDP = 11 BQ = 7

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

7. Fuck That!

Liberals look to be in trouble. Surprise surprise.

It's almost time to leave the continent. Where should we go, Australia? No wait, they're conservative too.

Any liberal countries left?

[IndianaGreen]

16. Do you speak any Spanish?

You will have to travel to Latin American if you want to live in freedom and democracy!

[jeff30997]

26. I heard that Costa Rica is a pretty great country.

[DWolper]

43. Latin America?

Just the part of the world that brings to mind freedom and democracy.
You're kidding, right?

BTW, your avatar is provocative and gives me cause to pause for the future of our people. As many troubles as we have now in this country - and they are many - I don't believe for a minute that Marxism has any of the answers. Never has, never will.

Our problems will be resolved by a very American ideal called Jeffersonian democracy. Watch that Gore speech again, IndianaGreen. He wasn't calling for a Marxist revolution. He was calling us to our better selves and a return to self-governance; something Latin American Marxism knows little about. When they say, "for the people," merely substitute 'state' for people. Marxism has no history of freedom and democracy. Jeffersonian democracy does. We must simply reclaim our history, as Al Gore said, not throw it overboard.

[IndianaGreen]

51. "Jeffersonian democracy"? Tell that to the African slaves!

The people of Latin America have, and are rejecting, the bankruptcy of neoliberalism and capitalism in free democratic elections.

We cannot even claim to have free democratic elections in this country!

[DWolper]

53. Ridiculous

That's conspiracy talk. I still believe we have elections that are as honest as anywhere else in the world. By the way, do you really think Latin American elections are fair and honest?

If Democrats of your stripe gain a serious voice in this country - God help us. We think we're losing elections now - just wait.

Al Gore should be our model - not Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez.

[IndianaGreen]

55. We could use a Bolivarian revolution in this country!

Here is an excellent August 2005 BBC article about the socialism that is being build in Venezuela by the workers.

Chavez calls for democracy at work

Iain Bruce
In Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela

The heat and the noise are almost unbearable in the casting room of Line 3 at Alcasa.

This is one of two big aluminium plants in the south-eastern city of Puerto Ordaz, where most of Venezuela's basic industries are concentrated.

It is also the test bed for a new experiment in co-management, which President Hugo Chavez says is a key step towards a "socialism of the twenty-first century".

Alcides Rivero, who works here as a maintenance electrician, says co-management means that for the first time in this company's 37 years of existence, the workforce has control.

"It's us, the workers", he says, "who decide on questions of production and technology, and it's us who elect who will be our managers."

Marivit Lopez, from the personnel department, explains that the workers are also drawing up a "participatory budget" for 2006.

"The different departmental works councils are discussing and amending the existing proposal so that we get a budget that really fits the company's needs," she says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4155936.stm

[newblewtoo]

63. A little further down in the article...

Tony Herrera, of the Venezuelan-American Chamber of Commerce, says it is still very difficult to grasp exactly what is meant by the government's co-management proposal.

He fears it may just mean more state control over the economy.

"The problem in Venezuela has been that the road to hell has been paved with good intentions in the past," he says.

"The state has made many attempts to intervene in the economy over many years, and the result is there for all to see."


The head of Venezuela's main business association, Fedecameras, agrees.

Albis Munoz says she doesn't want to see co-management imposed on Venezuelan companies by law, but she says she wouldn't have a problem with the kind of co-management developed by the Christian Democrats in Germany - in other words, a freely negotiated, strategic alliance between employees, employers and consumers.

That, however, does not seem to be what the people at Alcasa have in mind.

[bobbieinok]

62. european countries beat our 2000 election and probably the 2004 on

honesty

you really aren't super serious that everything's wonderful with our elections, are you???????

[Brundle_Fly]

6. update

Lib = 58 CON = 52 NDP = 13 BQ = 10

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

9. Double Fuck That! nt

[hwmnbn]

14. Is this going to be like a horse race all night?

Thanks for updating here. Elections always get me excited and nervous.

Even Canadian elections!! LOL :bounce::woohoo::bounce::woohoo:

[Brundle_Fly]

8. update

conservo take lead

Lib = 56 CON =57 NDP = 14 BQ = 11

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

10. TRIPLE FUCK!!!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

11. Slow Down Brundle....

You're really pissing me off.

Not your fault. :-)

[Brundle_Fly]

you're pissed off?

I am in calgary, bastion of evil harper.

I am going back to my hockey

Calgary Flames VS. Edmonton Oiler 1 - 0 calgary

[malmapus]

64. I remember when they use to be the Atlanta Flames heh

Your city stole my hockey team!! :D

[Brundle_Fly]

12. update

Lib = 57 CON =64 NDP = 15 BQ = 16

[Mnemosyne]

17. Still holding hope for you down here Brundle!

:hug:

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

So Does This Give Conservatives Control Of Everything?

Do they take control of all government bodies by winning more seats? Is it like in Britain where they can now control more than one aspect of government?

[Brundle_Fly]

22. nono

they will have to work with another party unless they win a minority.

I dont think they have the votes to do that.

[jeff30997]

13. Thanks for the updates Brundle_Fly.

I have no TV so I appreciate your thread very much.:thumbsup:

[Brundle_Fly]

15. update....big sigh.

Lib = 56 CON =56 NDP = 14 BQ = 11

[Brundle_Fly]

18. independants got a seat...

must be the marijuana party.

[Mnemosyne]

19. A bit nerve-wracking, eh? n/t

[Brundle_Fly]

20. update

CON =82 Lib = 69 BQ = 23 NDP = 16 ind=1

[jeff30997]

24. DOH!

[AX10]

25. not good.

[Mnemosyne]

27. Is that a minority? Is it over yet?

Sorry it's turning...

Still 40 to go. Will this help?

So sorry for my ignorance.

V

[Jersey Devil]

29. Apparently a majority does not necessarily win it

Check this out:

http://www.canada.com/national/features/decisioncanada/story_05.html?id=2d08d698-4ca5-4003-80e6-e2d3d1d7f069

[Mnemosyne]

42. Thanks for the link JD! Now I am a bit more educated, but a bit more

confused also, lol. In post #22 Brundle states "unless they win a minority". I think they use different wording, stated Miss Obvious.

I like the way Canada can hold an election if things are a mess. And what a dream with paper and pencil ballots. I'm in PA and our morons in charge just embraced ES&S! Wheee...

It's definitely a worry to think another idiot fake could end up winning in Canada. I hope they don't decide to become Dumb and Dumberer.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

21. Tin Foil Question....

What method(s) do they use to vote in Canada? Are there any electronic tabulating machines involved? Just curious.

[Brundle_Fly]

23. paper and pencil

[Brundle_Fly]

28. update

97 con 86 liberal 49 bloq 22 ndp ind 1

[Mnemosyne]

30. Is my math extra bad tonight or does that come out to

-24? Huh?!

[Brundle_Fly]

31. its ridings

not percentiles...

301 ridings in total I think

[skipos]

32. Thanks for doing this. nt

[Brundle_Fly]

34. hey

np!

[Brundle_Fly]

33. update

Cons.= 103 Lib.= 86 B.Q.= 52 N.D.P.= 21

[Bluesplayer]

35. why don't we offer a merger deal to Canada now?

So we don't have to invade them for their oil sands later....

[Brundle_Fly]

36. you've tried the invasion 2x before

didnt work those times.

[jeff30997]

39. Yeah,we kicked your ass so bad that you never tried again.

:)

[Brundle_Fly]

37. update.

Cons.= 109 Lib.= 88 B.Q.= 51 N.D.P.= 23

[Innocent Smith]

38. What is a Riding?

Just switch on C-SPAN. Is a riding the same as a congressional district in the United States?

[Brundle_Fly]

40. basically

whoever gets a seat in a riding sits on parliment.

so its like if congress controlled the US....shudder.

[Brundle_Fly]

41. update.

Cons.= 111 Lib.= 95 B.Q.= 50 N.D.P.= 25

[skipos]

44. Do you know what th breakdown was before this election? nt

[Brundle_Fly]

45. Alberta about to report....

this will wrap it up for the conservos....


:(

[Brundle_Fly]

46. update.

CONS 122 LIBERALS 99 BLOQ 50 NDP 28 IND 1


if the cons hit 155 they have a majority....eek.

[bilgewaterbill]

48. They can't hit 155.

There's only 308 ridings and your totals add to 300. Most they can hit is 130.

[Zynx]

49. Indeed. I count 28 seats in Alberta already called.

[Brundle_Fly]

50. they are calling them

but they are still changing, some really close races out there and I think there is really only 20% of the actuals counted.

[Brundle_Fly]

52. update.

CONS 123

LIBERALS 103

BLOQ 50

NDP 30

IND 1

[Brundle_Fly]

47. update.

CONS 122

LIBERALS 102

BLOQ 50

NDP 30

IND 1

[Brundle_Fly]

54. update. if anyone is even there.

CONS 121

LIBERALS 103

BLOQ 50

NDP 32

IND 1

[tkmorris]

56. I'm still here

Post away if any numbers change

[skipos]

57. me too. nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

59. thanks for the updates. :) do you know the previous breakdown?

[Brundle_Fly]

58. updateedeedoo.

CONS 124

LIBERALS 102

BLOQ 50

NDP 31

IND 1

we have a conservative minority government, which means we'll have another election in a year.

[wiley]

60. Is that really bad?

[sleipnir]

61. This seems on the surface to be near miss for the Liberals.

Many had them pegged to lose to new majority government.

While this is certainly terrible news tonight, me thinks the Liberals might have dodged a deadly bullet. If this is the backlash from years of governing, it's not a overwhelming call for change.

I wonder what will happen in 2007 with the next election, as you mention Brundle_Fly it is likely to be called before too long. Maybe 2 years, tops.