Please tell me I am wrong.....We will be defeated again? Scalito

[Nimrod2005]

Headline from CNN.COM

EASY SAILING EXPECTED FOR ALITO


Nobody on the dem. side is yelling, nobody in the Democratic leadership is willing to put up a fight over this?

I know we kinda lost this fight back in 2004 when the country elected evil, but this will mark the end of the our country as we know it. For many years to come, your country will be positioned to the right of the rest of the civilized world!!!

Religiously, it will be us and Iran.
Politically, it will be us and Chavez and N. korea.
Economically it will be us alone, because no other nation will ever run up our level of debt, while fighting costly wars, and exporting jobs to cheaper labor markets, at the same time as cutting taxes.

It will be the saddest day in our country's history if Scalito is allowed on the court.

[DesertRat]

1. Yes, I'm afraid so.

I also think that if Scalito were defeated, * would just nominate another right wing judge. :banghead:

[msongs]

2. does "defeated" imply the opposition put up a real fight of some kind

that was more than hot air and posturing?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/dean2008.htm

[Dragonbreathp9d]

3. Spineless

Is the word I would choose to describe our democrats. It is quite disappointing that they will not all band together in what is undoubtedly a national crisis. Alito as justice means an end to the American government as we know and love it. Expansion of executive powers into what our founding fathers feared most, a totalitarian government. I have just about lost all faith in our political system. Stolen election after stolen election, and they are getting better at it. Add a Supreme Court that cares not for the American public, and executive branch that has free reign, and a congress that has lost all touch with their constituants... I fear an end to American democracy, unless we do something, and fast. Growing backbones in the House and Senate would help.

[Nimrod2005]

4. Bingo...Agreed 100%. n/t

[madmunchie]

6. Welcome to DU!

I hate to have to agree with you, but I do. The Democrats in Washington, KNOWING full well what is about to take place, will not band together to fight this fight. They have rolled over way too many times for my taste. I think that having two parties is useless.

[mrcheerful]

5. I hate to be a downer but the way things are

looking, I'm wondering why we even try anymore? I felt the same way when Reagan was in office and seen this country being destroyed slowly but surely. When the american people are more afraid of unknown terrors, and we have all kinds of terror alerts, from terrorists to sex offenders to dope dealers it makes one wonder where this country will be in 10 years. Now we are allowing judges on the SC thats main goal seems to be to make this country a one party rule. Since when has the american motto ever been, "I'm scared protect me from all life's evils", real and imagined. Is it time we all lay down and let government decide for us how to live our lives, tell us what religions we can practice and have a police state where we all follow with little or no thought? Where we are happy to work flipping buggers for fast food places and super stores like wal mart are th only employers. Whats next? Earls, Dukes and lords that rule each state according to the king of america who then passes down his rule to te heir apparent? Are we becoming the weak kneed sheep that blindly follow just so we have the illusion of being safe?

[Dragonbreathp9d]

8. Its kinda funny

in a very sad way to think about how Bush has handled the 'terror' thing... by inspiring terror into the American people. If you look at FDR "Nothing to fear but fear itself" in comparison to Bush "The terrorists are out there and they're gonna git ya," it truly shows the difference between a great leader and a terrible one. I am much more fearful of this administration than I am of any (other) terrorists.

[Snivi Yllom]

7. saddest day?

I expect far worse.

But Alito will be confirmed this week.

[Peace Patriot]

9. Please stop with these "we will be defeated again" posts!

We really MUST realize that we have suffered a fascist JUNTA. We MUST understand what it MEANS that rightwing Bushite corporations now control the tabulation of our votes with "trade secret," proprietary programming code, and with virtually no audit/recount controls. And we have to understand what it MEANS that the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, acting in concert, late on election day, 2004, FALSIFIED their exit polls to force them to "fit" the results fed to them, electronically, by the Bushite-controlled black boxes. And as long as these conditions continue, in our so-called election system, we WILL suffer defeat after defeat. Bush has a THIRTY-EIGHT PERCENT approval rating. Cheney is even lower (18%!). And yet, day after day, their minority rightwing policies are shoved down our throats. And if you don't understand WHY, then you will continue to suffer troughs to despair and disempowerment, every time this illegitimate government takes one more illegitimate action.

P L E A S E ask yourself, if you were Karl Rove, and Tom Delay had set up an extremely hackable election system for you, with a $4 billion boondoggle (HAVA) straight into the pockets of Bush's buds at Diebold and ES&S, WOULD YOU USE THAT CAPABILITY to stay in power?

With electronic voting run by Bushites, our election system has become extremely insecure and hackable, and non-transparent. Non-transparent elections are not elections. They are tyranny. We are suffering TYRANNY!

P L E A S E get this through your heads. I know it's difficult, in view of the complete SILENCE of the Democratic Party leadership on Bushite corporations controlling the vote count as a fucking TRADE SECRET! But you have to stop saying to yourself, "They wouldn't let that happen, would they?" and start understanding that "They DID let it happen." Because the latter statement is the truth. They DID let it happen--for whatever reasons of corruption, collusion, ignorance or fear. And they have been silent also about the falsification of the exit polls. So, we have to open our eyes and see it for ourselves--despite the complete "Iron Curtain" that has been placed over this all-important story. The. Bushites. Own. The. Voting. System.

And nothing is going to change until we get our voting system back into the public venue, and restore transparent elections!

It is still doable--although I don't know for how long. Control of election systems still resides at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some influence. Transparent elections are a no-brainer. Either the votes are counted in public view--accurately and verifiably--or they are not. There is no in-between. The election reform movement, which is still in its infancy, is already making progress--in California, Florida, North Carolina, New York, New Mexico and other states. In California, we have a great candidate for Sec of State (Debra Bowen) who understands this matter very clearly. But, barring some unforeseen circumstance, restoring our right to vote is going to be a long term project, requiring courage and stamina--and FOCUS. Those who stole our right to vote are not going to give it back without knockdown dragout fights in every jurisdiction in the country.

But I guarantee you, WHEN WE RESTORE OUR RIGHT TO VOTE, we are going to see a revolution in this country like we have never seen before. Everything that this junta has done--with some tragic exceptions, such as the tens of thousands of people they have slaughtered in Iraq--can be UNDONE, including its criminal Supreme Court appointments. We, the sovereign people of the United States, can do whatever we need to do, and whatever we think wise, IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. That is the mechanism of our sovereignty. And we MUST get it back.

[Burning Water]

10. Well, it will be

bad, all right.

But, if the President is a Democrat, and the Congress is Democratic, the Supreme Court can't, and won't, enact those policies by itself. Keep you chin up. Keep fighting.

We're already to the right of the rest of the "civilized" world, whatever that is.

Other countries will run up debt, too, they just don't do it by fighting costly wars. The debt is bad, whatever the reason, but the reason is good or bad, on its own.

Sadness and regret over the SC isn't going to buy the Dems a cup of coffee. You've got to figure out why we lose elections, and do something about it. The "stolen election" hypothesis seems quite possible, maybe probable. Certainly I think it's so. It hasn't bee falsified, yet, at any rate. But, we could all be wrong. Other hypotheses also need to be examined, and if found reasonable, strategies need to be contrived. Possibly the American public actually does distrust us on national security? Perhaps we need to a)show that they are not in danger, or b0 show why our plan to protect them works better than the Repukes. Perhaps we need to watch the words that fall out of our mouths. Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

Perhaps some of our agenda needs to be scaled back? Maybe America isn't quite ready for some of it? Maybe we should concentrate more on the poor economic conditions of American citizens, and less on the social issues. Maybe we need to concentrate more on Bush*'s gross violation of our civil rights, and less on the "justifications" for the war in Iraq. We're in a war, now, and there is nothing wrong with figuring out what we can or cannot do to protect ourselves. WE need to protect civil liberties, too.

Once we are in power again, then we've got a "bully pulpit" to advance our ideas. The two steps forward, one step back approach.

I don't claim to know the answers; all I've got are questions. But if 2006 does not show some significant improvement in the Democratic situation in Washington, I think we all need to re-evaluate what we're doing. But, hopefully, it won't come to that.

[mcscajun]

11. We pretty much doomed on this one. I've been active on it, certainly.

I've signed the petitions, sent the e-mails, made the phone calls. So have many, many more here and elsewhere. In the end, it isn't going to change the outcome unless something totally unexpected happens: Republican Senators vote against the confirmation.

Alito's nomination is going to come to the floor; there's no way it won't. There are 10 Republicans on the Committee and 8 Democrats. All ten Republicans will approve sending the nomination to the full Senate later today.

The vote in the full Senate will take place within the week; the Republicans have 55 seats, Democrats have 44, with Vermont's Senator Jeffords the sole Independent. One Democrat has pledged to vote FOR Alito: Senator Nelson of Nebraska. Wouldn't matter if he did or he didn't, though; it doesn't matter how Jeffords votes, either; as long as the Republicans hold fast, Alito WILL sit on the Supreme Court.

We're So Fucking Doomed.

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