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Wed Jan-25-06 03:13 PM
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Never thought I'd be ready for a 3rd party - but if no filibuster there is |
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little reason to care about the Democratic Party.
Cleaning the left's political house becomes as important as getting the GOP out of power.
And I doubt that giving time and treasure to Democratic Party activities will be of much interest.
Can anyone suggest reasons the above should not be the result of a "no Democratic fillibuster" on Alito?
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:14 PM
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1. This is judiciary Dems and Harry Reid's call. |
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I don't blame Dems I know would support a filibuster and were urging it to happen.
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Lyle
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:15 PM
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And I'd hope enough people get JUST as fed up with the Dems as they are with the Reps...perhaps a third alternative would serve as a breath of fresh air. I'd certainly support any party that TRULY was working for the greater good. These two parties are clearly not interested in that.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:16 PM
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Ralph Nader's run disabused the wisdom of voting for a third party. No matter what you think of the Democrats, the notion that there was no difference between them and George Bush is pretty ludicrous.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:19 PM
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6. our system isn't set up for it to work. |
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otherwise i would have been gone a loooong time ago.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:24 PM
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Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 03:27 PM by Totally Committed
The Electoral College supposedly makes it impossible for a thrid Party to do anything but split the vote of one side or the other, depending on the "bent" of the third Party. Just look at the damage both Perot and Nader did to the RNC and the DNC, respectively when they went off and ran third Party.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:18 PM
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4. A third party just splits our side... |
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and ensures a permanent Republican government.
I'd rather work to change the Democratic Party than destroy it.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:18 PM
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some have called me a "quitter" and said that I should help change the party from within...... I'm 55 years old and too damned tired to fight my OWN PARTY anymore. They obviously don't have the guts to fight, why the hell should I waste my time, effort and money supporting a neutered party. The establishment of a viable third party is just as, or more important than, trying to change a Democratic party that doesn't want to be changed.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:20 PM
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7. a strategy that assures the ascendancy of Senator Katherine Harris and her |
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:22 PM
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8. Ah, the daily 3rd party thread. |
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Yeah, good luck with that in the current government framework. A thrid party would do nothing but split the center/left vote.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:49 PM
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20. Not any worse than the daily |
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"we're gonna shove Hillary/Warner/Obama <insert DLC clown here> down your throats" thread or the "shut up and vote Democrat" thread. Ring ring, clue phone! That silence you're hearing is the base -- THE ACTIVISTS walking out in DROVES.
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Wed Jan-25-06 04:13 PM
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21. Where are they walking to? |
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Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 04:13 PM by Fenris
Rather than attempt to change the party from the inside they just take their ball and go to a third party with no chance of doing anything other than ensuring a long life for the Republican hegemony. If it makes them feel better about themselves and feel more righteous than others, fine. But they're doing more harm than good.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:23 PM
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9. I'm still proud of the Dems |
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For putting up a fight that was lost from the beginning. Durbin gave a great speech on the floor on why he thinks Alito will be terrible. They are fighting with one hand tied behind their back cause the repulsives control the whole government.
I'm voting Dem in 2006 and 2008!
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:32 PM
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13. What fight? It's all talk.......... |
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words without deeds are nothing, lip service to their constituents. All the talking in the world doesn't get anything done.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:24 PM
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11. look what just happened in Canada |
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because the vote was devided..
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:25 PM
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12. I didn't support Ross Perot but didn't he receive about 20% of |
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the 92' vote? Could that happen again? with some charismatic figure?
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:33 PM
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14. Yes - there will be enough that will be pissed - and reject logic of split |
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of the left means right wins - that the Democratic may be a memory in 10 years.
I do not understand why the leaders of the Democratic Party are listening to the lefts money people talk of a better image with no filibuster, when they seem bright enough to realize this is an all in moment - and they do not have a choice to fold just for this pot.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:33 PM
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15. And that split the Republican vote.......... |
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not the Democratic vote as some here swear will happen if a third party arises.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:40 PM
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16. He took from both sides |
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Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 03:41 PM by incapsulated
It really depends on the person running. I kinda doubt that someone who appeals to left-of-centers on DU is going to be popular with discontented republicans.
Look, if this country really starts to show any interest in a viable third party that has a platform I can agree with I'm all for it. But it is extremely difficult in a non-parlimentary system like ours. It doesn't lend itself to thrid parties. People are lazy enough as it is keeping up with just two. Only charsimatic individuals appeal to them on the outside and, as I said, they have to appeal to left and right to get anywhere.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:43 PM
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17. sorry but if the dems fail us now forgettaboutit... |
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the supreme court will be stacked and ready to rule favorably on serious spygate and concentration camp issues. NO ON ALITO even if it means all out war in america I'm fighting mad....
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:45 PM
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18. Take action, don't leave. |
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If you have not tried to become a precinct committee person, you're not doing all you can to make change. Phone calls, faxes, and advocacy is only the first baby step.
Contact your county Dem party people. Tell them you want to be a precinct committee person. If there is already a committee person, get to know where he or she stands. If he or she is a DLC type, or is not somebody with whom you are comfortable, run against him or her.
The solution to the Dem party not reflecting our points of view is our fault, not the representative's. If we want the party to become more progressive, it is incumbent to us to make that change. It is not sufficient to sit back criticizing how our party is if we do not take the necessary action to make a change.
Please stay with us and do this simple thing to make a change where it will do the most good, at the local level where the decisions are made that effect the party the most.
Become a precinct committee person, go to the county convention and make a difference.
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Wed Jan-25-06 03:48 PM
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19. The clear message to the Democratic Senators should be... |
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if they don't stand up to this bullshit and filibuster scalito, they will loose a huge portion of the base. Just a fact.
Even if they did the filibuster and it failed, I would be so proud of them to have tried and failed then never have tried at all.
the Democratic base is screaming for action and all they give us is spit balls.
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