Buzzflash to John Kerry: Stand Up To Take A Stand

[MoonRiver]

This is Kerry's chance to prove he is a champion for Democratic issues and merits another look in '08. Great editorial!

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/06/01/edi06008.html

[Mass]

1. Sure, except it should be for ALL Senators. Limited to Kerry, it is

counterproductive and shows that Buzzflash battle is NOT against Alito.

[orleans]

4. kerry had a petition to take to the other senators for a no vote n/t

[Mass]

6. So, why target him rather than others who did nothing?

[orleans]

13. because he had the vote no petition and they didn't. he was

implying that he was going to lead the others.

and he shouldn't lead them to a no vote like the petition said.

he needs to lead them to a filibuster

or maybe because buzzflash hates america
or maybe kerry does
or maybe buzz hates kerry
(the possibilities are endless)

[Mass]

18. Two points

1/ we dont know who are the ones arguing for a filibuster and those who dont. Who knows who is doing what?

2/ Let me be clear. If nobody opposes the UC on cloture, I will be VERY mad at 44 Democratic Senators, not one. Until then, we just do not know what is happening, except that there does not seem to be 41 votes available against cloture and that the Democratic Leadership does not seem to want to oppose cloture without the vote (which I disagree with). Kerry can definitively help, but he is not in the Senate leadership and others should help and lead as well.

[orleans]

28. and it sounds like he's pissed off at kerry anyway

for not standing up for himself in 2004.

"Most recently, he posted a "petition" that asked people to support him in getting other senators to oppose Alito. The petition concludes, "I am honored to join John Kerry by putting my name in the Congressional Record against Judge Alito. I call on you to do the same with your vote."

So here's the Kerry trade-off, you give him your name and e-mail address and it is added to his list of potential campaign contributors and supporters. In return, Kerry votes "No" against Alito (as if a Democratic Senator from Massachusetts could get away with voting "Yes"), knowing that it doesn't matter because there are 55 Republicans and they will all vote for Alito, unless there is a defector or two. The petition is meaningless, except as a way for Kerry to grow his campaign list. He knows that; we know that. "

[MoonRiver]

7. Why not Kerry? He could redeem himself, to me at least, if he did.

Obviously I don't expect him to do this for me, but many would agree with my statement, I am so bold to assume.

[Mass]

8. My point was: Why him alone?

[MoonRiver]

19. Because he has made a huge issue of filibustering Alito.

Others haven't been anywhere near as outspoken. So Buzz says put up or shut up. It's that simple.

[Mass]

20. No, he has not. He has made a big issue of voting NO.

[MoonRiver]

23. EXCUSE ME.

He stated he would support a filibuster. If he can support one, why can't he start one. Hmmmm?

[Mass]

25. Boxer said the same thing. Durbin implied the same thing.

Both are in the Senate leadership. Why dont you target them AS WELL.

I am not against people asking Kerry to do it. I am against what is clearly something else from Buzzflash.

[MoonRiver]

26. Someone has to do it. Why NOT Kerry?

[Mass]

27. Why not. But I will be happy with ANYBODY doing it.

[MoonRiver]

34. You're a Kerry supporter. Seems you would want him to lead the thing.

[brentspeak]

102. You're a Kerry opponent

Spreading criticism of him for not taking a role that he never promised to take in the first place.

It's clear that this is a disruptor thread.

[kerrygoddess]

29. He stated he would "support"

Actually his staff stated he would "support" - HE did not say he would LEAD a filibuster - nor did his staff.

[MoonRiver]

37. Buzzflash is asking him to do it.

For the sake of our country. Don't you think he should do this?

[brentspeak]

103. Pardon me while I laugh...

Why should Kerry - or anybody else, for that matter - take suggestions or orders from Buzzflash?

[LittleClarkie]

104. Because their good enough, their smart enough, and darn it

people like them...

[Jacobin]

30. Because a true leader will act alone and take stands on

principle, even when it may be seen to be wrong when its done. He could have voted against the IWR but didn't and that showed me a true lack of leadership.

[Mass]

38. Not sure I follow him

What is clear though with posts like that is that people feel there is no leadership in the Senate Democrats if they think there is only ONE senator that can help them.

Once again, I have no problem seeing Kerry do that. I asked him to do that. I would only think that there would be more chance to see ONE person do something if we directed the demand to ALL Democratic Senators. But apparently, some still think there is only ONE person able to do that.

[blm]

47. And some leaders are stuck negotiating to get inspectors back in and

to force Iran and Syria off the table.

Of course, few bother to mention those points. It's easier to pretend Bush was given a blank check.

[Jacobin]

56. Oh, and that's worked like a charm?

Neville Chamberlain comes to mind.

Oh and since when have Iran and Syria really been off the table? You give a bully an inch and he'll take a mile.

[blm]

57. Hey - weapons inspectors is NOTHING to dismiss. If it weren't for those

inspectors, BushInc could have gotten away with planting WMDs right from the get go.

And if Bush tried to use IWR to attack Syria or Iran, those who voted for IWR based on those negotiations would be the loudest voices calling him out as a liar.

[MoonRiver]

50. Thank you!

And we also have a little matter like the survival of our democracy at stake.

[sallyseven]

9. He does not have to redeem himself to you. he won the election.

He did the right thing. When you go up against a slime like bush and company you have to be careful or they will kill you.

[MoonRiver]

22. He rolled over like a wimp.

That's what he has to redeem himself to me for.

[Vektor]

36. Well my God!

He certainly has his work cut out for him. I'm sure he will set everything aside right now to start groveling at your feet to win your love.

Methinks if he were to see the nasty, unwarranted comments you make about him on a daily basis, the LAST thing he'd be interested in doing is trying to impress you.

I think Kerry could simultaneously wrestle a screaming baby from the jaws of a 15 foot crocodile with one hand, rip off GWB's testicles and head then JUGGLE them with the other, piss the Declaration of Independence in the snow (in calligraphy), while preparing Coq au Vin with his feet and strumming the Star Spangled Banner on the accordion with his ass cheeks, and you'd still say "HE LET ME DOWN!!!"

[babylonsister]

46. Err, Vektor...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LittleClarkie]

10. So, what is "put up or shut up" beyond the fact that he's already

doing something.

I don't get it when people say "FIGHT" or "LEAD" and then don't explain what they think those things look like.

To me, since he's about the only Senator doing ANYTHING, he's already fighting and already leading.

So, what are you looking for?

"if he did..." what, exactly?

[orleans]

2. thank you buzzflash!!! n/t

[Mass]

3. Well, I guess we will know soon who cares about filibusters and who

cares about infighting.

[LittleClarkie]

15. So what if he votes no on cloture, if other Senators don't follow

if a cloture vote is all people want, then they'll get it from him. But he appears to be trying for more. So in stepping forward he becomes a target, even amongst our own. I don't get this coming from BuzzFlash.

I wonder why he bothers.

[babylonsister]

5. Why are they picking on Kerry, because he's been in the

spotlight the most recently? Why not pick on the senators who were so ineffective during the hearings last week, while Kerry was out of the country? :mad:
As much as I like him, we can start with Senator Kennedy.
And why attack any Dems, come to think about it? That is NOT what we need.

[orleans]

21. here's my guess: they want kerry to filibuster & not just vote no

and here is the petition kerry has on his website:


"Join John Kerry and add your name to the Congressional Record
An Open Letter to all Senators

Dear Senators,
I am writing to ask that you vote against Samuel Alito’s nomination to the Supreme Court and work hard to convince other Senators to join you.

Judge Alito does not represent my values. He does not represent mainstream American values. I think it’s time that the United States Senate confirms once and for all that extreme ideology has no place on the highest court in the land.

This is a critical fight for the future of our country. It’s no time to sit on the sidelines. That’s why I’ve taken the time to sign this letter and pass it along to my friends and neighbors. And I hope that’s why you’ll step up to the plate and do the right thing for America: defeat Samuel Alito.

I am honored to join John Kerry by putting my name in the Congressional Record against Judge Alito. I call on you to do the same with your vote.

Sincerely,

Your name here"
http://www.johnkerry.com/action/alito/

it says to vote against alito not to filibuster

[blm]

31. Kerry said he would filibuster. But filibuster is NOT a one-man show and

only stupid people would expect that one senator filibusters, anyway.

It takes 41, and we do not know if there are 41 votes for filibuster. We KNOW Kerry will, but who else has said it? We. Do. Not. Know. Yet.

[Blaukraut]

33. Landrieu will vote yes

on cloture. She made a statement. But be prepared that the outrage against her will pale against the outrage leveled at John Kerry for not filibustering on his own, rules be damned.

[orleans]

35. buzzflash is talking about the kerry petition and in the petition

it doesn't say if he is trying to rally the other senators to filibuster. it just says to vote against alito.

did you read the petition?

my guess is buzzflash wanted kerry to COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY IT.

that's what i can figure out from it.

[blm]

42. Protocol dictates that filibuster comes from a judiciary member or leader.

What Buzz is asking for is for Kerry to step outside of protocol and no senator would do that without taking heat from the entire judiciary Dems and Reid.

That's why this whole focusing on Kerry is just absurd. He's not on judiciary and he's not minority leader.

He wants us to urge other senators so they FEEL the groundswell that media is telling them isn't there.

[orleans]

60. protocol? is that really necessary at this point?

randi rhodes was saying that jeffords should be the one to filibuster and all the dems fall in behind him. that way the dems don't get blamed for "obstructing" or whatever the r's are going to bitch about

[MoonRiver]

61. Protocol is definitely more important than trying to stop a rw coup.

Yep, we definitely have our priorities all figured out. :eyes:

[ProSense]

62. Why then don't you all storm the Capitol? Why wait on anyone else? n/t

[blm]

64. There is no filibuster without 41 votes. You want a dog and pony show.

That would last a half hour and then the media would spend the next week saying what an asshole standing up for a filibuster when there was no filibuster to be had.

And every other Dem senator would agree it was a meaningless ploy for the base.

[blm]

63. If he has 41 votes, that would be a good TACTICAL maneuver for Reid, but

it still comes down to whether there are are 40 other votes against cloture or not.

Other than that it's a futile move that means nothing and will turn the media on whoever does it for pulling a halfhour dog and pony show for the rabid base. Because that is all that would come of it. And if the leftleaning media is true to form, they will attack whoever did it as an opportunist looking towards the primaries and trying to take the left base from Hillary. Sorry, but that's reality.

[karynnj]

59. No, no start with Biden

He was the most self absorbed irrational questioner there - I really didn't need to know the facts of which colleges he and his kids considered applying.

[ProSense]

11. Uninformed people are free to write crap, but that piece is inaccurate

and this article was already posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2390582

But to respond:

Kerry voted against the three critical nominees:

Rice
Gonzales
Roberts

Imagine where we'd be without these three.


Kerry's vigorous response to the SBVT smears is documented in DU Research Forum. I would say the media defined Kerry for those gullible and uninformed enough to listen. Kerry is a hero, someone says he isn't and without checking the facts and listen to the rebuttals, some people just accepted the SBVT BS.


The article uses buys in the RW BS (from the piece in the OP):

Snip...

Most recently, he posted a "petition" that asked people to support him in getting other senators to oppose Alito. The petition concludes, "I am honored to join John Kerry by putting my name in the Congressional Record against Judge Alito. I call on you to do the same with your vote."

So here's the Kerry trade-off, you give him your name and e-mail address and it is added to his list of potential campaign contributors and supporters. In return, Kerry votes "No" against Alito (as if a Democratic Senator from Massachusetts could get away with voting "Yes"), knowing that it doesn't matter because there are 55 Republicans and they will all vote for Alito, unless there is a defector or two. The petition is meaningless, except as a way for Kerry to grow his campaign list. He knows that; we know that.

Sounds like RW BS to me:

http:/ / www.townhall.com/blogs/capitolreport
/TimChapman/story/2006/01/24/183612. html
(cut and paste as this is a RW rag)

It's not like a person can't sign the petition and end the alliance with Kerry after that. Don't sign the petition if you hate John Kerry, but don't try to pretend this is not a serious attempt to show public opposition to Alito.

[zulchzulu]

58. Absolutely...sounds like Buzzflash needs to use this thing called Google

Kerry-thrashers usually have their head up their ass when it comes to actually knowing what they are talking about.

[elizm]

12. Have to agree....

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Blaukraut]

14. He already has

He is the only one so far who has publicly stated, through a staffer, that he will vote 'no' on cloture, and thereby support a filibuster.
Once Harry Reid, as the minority leader, has gathered enough votes to stop a cloture vote, namely 41 votes, you will have your filibuster.

[LittleClarkie]

16. And the petition could be used as leverage toward a fillibuster

and yet people call for him to do what he already is. I don't get it. What do they think fighting looks like. Do they want him on the tv shouting like a maniac. Is that what they think fighting is?

[emulatorloo]

48. EVERYBODY CALL REID'S OFFICE PLEASE to get message to the fillibuster hold

-outs


Sorry to yell

Good DU thread here w contact info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x240118

[blm]

17. STUPID EDITORIAL - there's no such thing as a one-man filibuster show

anymore. There hasn't been for over 30 years now.


Surely someone at Buzzflash must have known this before they put up that uninformed piece?

Protocol dictates the person who would lead a filibuster of a court nominee is a member of the Judiciary Committee or the senate leader. IF they have 40 other members who would filibuster with them.

Kerry stated he would filibuster and urged other senators to filibuster - that's the only stand he could lead and he did it, but he can't put on a one-man show the way fantasists think.

[Vektor]

24. It would be spectacular if Kerry

had the power to stand up, shove everyone out of the way, grab a microphone, take over the floor and just Filibuster the shit out of Alito, and have everyone say "Oh, ok, John Kerry's filibustering. Alito, you're outta here!"

If only that were reality.

[wisteria]

32. This has to be done collectively and Reid is suppose to decide

on the filibuster.

[Mass]

39. Sorry, I have to leave this interesting discussion

I need to email to 45 Democratic Senators to ask them to filibuster and to Reid to tell them I want him to do his job.

[emulatorloo]

40. IF DU HAD TAKEN A STAND FOR KERRY THERE WOULD BE NO ALITO

Instead it was all

"I just don't know if I can vote for Kerry, he just isn't X enough for me."

And endless variations of the above BS with the end result of helping get Bush Boy elected.

[BootinUp]

41. nonsense.

DU had as much impact on the 2004 GE as my 6 year old boy.

[emulatorloo]

45. I beg to disagree -- but at any rate, Call Reid's Office -- contact info

in this thread here -- there are a few holdouts on filibuster, and it damn sure isn't President Kerry. . .

DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x240118

[Dr Fate]

43. What about those of us who supported him 100% ?

What rationale for not filibustering should be aimed at us?

[emulatorloo]

44. Where did I say I was giving a rational for no filibuster? do me a favor:

Call Reid's Office and see what you can find out about how we can get one -- could contact info in this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x240118

[Dr Fate]

49. Done & done several times over- thanx.

I was also ignored when I repeatedly called them and begged them to talk about the Downing Street Memo. I've called them and asked them to do a number of things that they did not do.

I get the feeling more and more that my ideas are viewed as "radical Micheal Moore stuff that turns off swing-voters."

Perhaps I need to become a swing-voter so they will actually listen to me?

Ideas?

ON EDIT: I'll call one more time.

[Dr Fate]

52. Reid is not answering. I left a message. n/t

n/t

[emulatorloo]

53. glad you left a message -- n/t

[PresidentObama]

51. I'm a Kerrycrat, and I somewhat agree.

I do believe Kerry shouldn't just vote no, he should filibuster. Why? He knows Alito is going to make it through with no votes. Alito will get through if the Democrats just no vote him. If he wants to fight this, and I think Senator Kerry does, he'll need to do more then a petition. Filibustering seems to be the logical thing to do!

The petition isn't meaningless though. It's a good way of showing all the Americans opposed to Alito. But in the same right, Kerry shouldn't just vote no, he should filibuster. Politically, it'll be a smart move. He'll gain back a lot of credibility from Democrats. Especially those who believe Kerry was a failure, and too waffly. It's not going to win him over for 2008, but it'll help him gain solid ground. And as a Kerrycrat, any progress is progress in this.

I don't necessarily believe in the FULL content of this editorial, but all in all it the big picture is correct.

Kerry should filibuster. IMO.

[emulatorloo]

54. kerry has committed to filibuster -- it isnt up to him alone, though EOM

[sandnsea]

55. Because there ISN'T ANYBODY ELSE

And everybody damned well knows it. Every time something needs to get done, the first one called on in the Senate is John Kerry.

Well it would be great if he were Super Man, but he's not.

He'll support a filibuster. He's done his job.

Now get off YOUR asses and get YOUR Senator to support the filibuster too.

That's the way the system works.

[MoonRiver]

65. 2003, John Kerry said: "I am prepared to filibuster, if necessary,...

any Supreme Court nominee who would turn back the clock on a woman's right to choose or the constitutional right to privacy, on civil rights and individual liberties and on the laws protecting workers and the environment," Kerry said in remarks via satellite at a meeting of Democratic party officials in St. Paul, Minn.

"The test is basic -- any person who thinks it's his or her job to push an extreme political agenda rather than to interpret the law should not be a Supreme Court justice."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/06/20/national1340EDT0606.DTL

Now, it is 2006, and, hello Kerry, we're there.

[yellowdoginGA]

66. is it not necessary????????

kerry needs to grow a pair and get off the fence

[LittleClarkie]

74. What fence? He'll vote for cloture. But one dude doesn't make a

fillibuster.

He's trying to pressure his fellow Senators with the petition. He's the one person I've heard from that's doing ANYTHING at all.

So... what fence?

[MoonRiver]

76. One dude can draw a line in the sand, and refuse to roll over for fascists

If the other 40 refuse to shape up and follow his lead, then they, not him, will look like cowards. Kerry should do what he has said he would do, if he wants our respect that is.

[LittleClarkie]

67. One cloture vote will not a fillibuster make

He'll vote against cloture. Big fucking deal if nobody joins him. He'll have fulfilled what he said, but without anyone behind him, it won't mean dick.

Call Reid. Push. Push. Push. We're not done yet. The vote isn't here yet. Forget Kerry. His is not the vote you need to get. He's there already, as you've proven. But if he can't get his fellow Senators to go with, it won't mean much.

Reid could do it though. But does he want to?

[blm]

68. He already SAID he supports a filibuster. He's not one of the 8 refusing

to vote against cloture.

Do you not KNOW that filibuster rules were changed over 30 years ago? They are no longer one-man shows - they need 41 senators for a filibuster.

You want a dog and pony show that does NOTHING but piss off the judiciary committee dems and Harry Reid.

[beaconess]

90. It also would only lead Frist to immediately file for cloture

which would mean the Alito vote could be taken by the weekend - giving Bush a nice big win to tout at his State of the Union address.

Now is the time to talk filibuster and to get support lined up, but it's NOT the time to announce one!

Of course, I don't think the Dems have the backbone to do it - but even if they did, they'd have to bide their time for a couple of more days before completely showing their hand.

[Mass]

69. Do you want a filibuster or do you want to bash Kerry

Be efficient. Call Reid. Ask him to do his job.

And call Kerry, ask him to do his job,

And call the 42 other Democrats and ask them to do their job.

And call the 8 senators that are blocking a filibuster. Landrieu is one.

[paulk]

70. you clearly don't understand how filibusters work

It takes more than one Senator! He's already said he would support a filibuster! If there is one!

This is your second thread with this nonsense!

[MoonRiver]

71. It takes ONE Senator to start a filibuster.

I dare any Democratic Senator, including Kerry who has said he will do it, to prove they are supporters of this democracy and its constitution.

[ProSense]

72. Here start contacting them.

And note Kerry isn't the only one on the list, but contact him too:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[MoonRiver]

73. I HAVE CONTACTED THEM.

[ProSense]

75. Then

sign the petition

http://www.johnkerry.com/action/alito/

[kerrygoddess]

77. Contact them again

Because putting the heat on one is a cop out!

AKAKA -D- [phone]
BAUCUS -D- (202 224-2651
BAYH -D- [phone]
BIDEN -D- [phone]
BINGAMAN -D- [phone]
BOND -D- [phone]
BOXER -D- (202 224-3553
BYRD -D- [phone]
CANTWELL -D- [phone]
CARPER -D- [phone]
CHAFEE -R- [phone]
CLINTON -D- [phone]
COLLINS -R- [phone]
CONRAD -D- [phone]
DAYTON -D- [phone]
DODD -D- [phone]
DORGAN -D- [phone]
DURBIN -D- [phone]
FEINGOLD -D- [phone]
FEINSTEIN -D- [phone]
HARKIN -D- [phone]
JEFFORDS -I- [phone]
JOHNSON -D- [phone]
KENNEDY -D- [phone]
KERRY -D- [phone]
KOHL -D- [phone]
LANDRIEU -D- [phone]
LAUTENBERG -D- [phone]
LEAHY -D- [phone]
LEVIN -D- [phone]
LIEBERMAN -D- [phone]
LINCOLN -D- [phone]
MENENDEZ -D- [phone]
MIKULSKI -D- [phone]
MURRAY -D- [phone]
NELSON (FL) -D- [phone]
NELSON (NE) -D- [phone]
OBAMA -D- [phone]
PRYOR -D- [phone]
REED -D- [phone]
REID -D- [phone]
ROCKEFELLER -D- [phone]
SALAZAR -D- [phone]
SARBANES -D- [phone]
SCHUMER -D- [phone]
SNOWE -R- [phone]
SPECTER -R- [phone]
STABENOW -D- [phone]
WYDEN -D- [phone]

[Totally Committed]

82. Why is it a cop-out when he's the one doing all the big talking?

Thread after thread here has extolled his courage in being ready, willing, and able to fillibuster "if necessary" for the last several days. imo, when he raised people's hopes and expectations that way, and his supporters did everything but take out an ad in the NYT to that effect, people are going to focus their disappointment on Senator Kerry.

You reap what you sow with this tom-tom banging for him. It's time for him to put up or shut up on this fillibuster sh*t. But, he's not alone in his shame. He just got all vocal about it when he had no intention of following through.

And, the beat goes on.

TC

[ProSense]

87. So this is an attempt to shut Kerry up? Oh, thanks for the ad idea. n/t

[Mass]

92. I dont think ANY Kerry supporters have opened a thread saying that

Kerry will filibuster. The first one was made by somebody who is not a Kerry supporter. I remember having posted in that one that there would probably be NO filibuster because they dont have the vote.

All the threads I have seen this morning about Kerry and filibuster have been brought there by people who are traditionnal Kerry bashers (just like this one). So, I understand it disturbs you to see threads about Kerry. But the criticism is unfair, sorry.

But you are right, people are going to focus their disappointment on Kerry, but this was the goal of these threads.

[karynnj]

93. His office was asked if he would vote no on cloture - they answered

that he would filibuster. It is significant that he indicated his willingness. It would then have been easier for others to join - would you prefer that he not tell his office what he would do or tell them to not answer?

He has nothing to be ashamed of on this. He will use his vote to stop it - but unless he can find 40 others - which looks doubtful, it's not going to happen.

[blm]

88. One Senator who HAS the committed votes of 40 others. YOU want a dog and

pony show.

Kerry tried through his petition to get other senators to see the groundswell against Alito. He said he would filibuster. If there is a filibuster to be had, Reid would give the signal, and either Reid or a Judiciary Dem would lead the way. Unless, Reid made a tactical decision, like using Jeffords.

[beaconess]

91. Not any more.

[Totally Committed]

78. I don't care HOW MANY Senators it takes to start a fillibuster....

Forget it... they're all too busy trying to find a piece of furniture to hide under until the big bad Republicans are all done and all the upset is gone away. Mommy, mommy, make them stop!!!

Just look in the Senate Chamber... the Democrats are the ones UNDER their seats kneeling in their own piss. What a bunch of disgusting, wimp-ass, chicken-sh*t, disappointing, urine-stained, impotent COWARDS!

They can ALL go f*ck themselves.

TC

Edited to add "chickensh*t".

[beaconess]

81. An individual senator can't start a filibuster

not under the new rules. Instead, if the minority indicates that it won't agree to cut off debate after a certain point or refuses to enter into a time agreement, the majority files a motion for cloture, which would cut off the debate after a set time. The cloture motion is voted on two calendar days after being filed. If it fails, the debate continues indefinitely or until the next cloture vote(or they move on to something else, but they don't vote on the nomination). If the motion passes, the debate continus for 30 more hours and then debate ends and the nomination is voted on.

A filibuster is no longer something that one or two members can drive - it needs to be driven by a substantial portion of the minority.

[Totally Committed]

83. I. DON'T. CARE.

They ALL SUCK!!!

TC

[beaconess]

84. I don't agree that they ALL suck

But enough of them do to make a difference!

[MoonRiver]

86. THEY ALL SUCK

How many of us have to scream this until they fight for us? I am completely fed up at this point.

[democrattruth]

97. Your are getting desperate

[democrattruth]

98. Your are getting desperate

[karynnj]

96. I hope you are proud of this post -

it lacks intelligence, reason and sense. I guess posting anomously allows you to write trash like this that you would likely not write if you had to sign a real name. Why attack the Democrats who are trying to regain some control? Wouldn't it be better to work on 06 so they can gain seats and get some power in the future?

[paulk]

105. is this a reply to me?

or just an excuse for your daily "I hate Democrats rant"?


The only thing you're "totally committed" to is trashing Democrats.

Congratulations -

your's is the most useless post on this thread...

disruptive, divisive -

a total waste of bandwidth

[beaconess]

79. I hear Kerry's one of the few Dems ready to back a filibuster

[LittleClarkie]

80. Indeed, so why aim the rant cannon at him. And if he does get louder

I hope that people won't then say "Shut up Kerry. You're just running for 2008!"

He tends to get hammered regardless.

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[blm]

89. Did YOUR Senator sign the DSM letter of inquiry?

.

[democrattruth]

95. Why are you attacking Kerry?

[democrattruth]

94. 70% chance

there will be a filibuster

[karynnj]

99. Where is that % from - it seems unlikely

[EndElectoral]

100. Can't see Kerry doing it after giving up on the election fraud so easily

[LittleClarkie]

101. Why does Buzzflash talk about a fillibuster

re: Kerry starting one, as if this were "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"? It's a vote.