Anyone else think DU is infiltrated by freepers?

[AtomicKitten]

Seriously, check out various polls. Some take a very unnatural huge overnight swing reminiscent of, hmmmmmmm, what was that again? Oh, yeah, Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S.

That doesn't bother me as much as the thought that Karl Rove has sent his minions out, permeating every aspect of our world, to spy and create chaos in the opposition.

Domestic spying is bad enough, but this kind of stuff is meant to disrupt and destroy.

Think about it. I don't think my tin foil hat's on too tight. But I'm sure the freepers will be among those who say it is.

Just a thought.

Welcome to BushWorld where you just never know.

[Kipling]

1. Which polls do you mean?

[AtomicKitten]

8. for instance ...

the Draft Gore poll overnight took a huge swing with very little supporting comments. Sure it's possible that many people here at DU don't like him, but it just seems suspicious after his brilliant speech the other day that there would be so much overt opposition right away. It's easy to hit a poll and run, it takes more effort and more brain cells to hang here and discuss, although I wouldn't be surprised if there are people on the payroll to do just that. If people would lodge a concerted phone bank campaign in South Carolina to tell voters McCain had a black baby, anything is possible. I don't think we can accurately fathom the depths of how far they'd stoop to win, at all cost, at any cost.

[Ian David]

2. I don't think it's organized. Just Nazi talking-point-kiddies run amok.n/t

[Botany]

3. don't matter

"they" out themselves pretty quickly. and then "they" get ...........

[Angry Girl]

4. Well, yeah!

It's so much nicer to hang out here.
Just be careful not to step on them - it'll mess up your shoes.

[MrBenchley]

5. You will notice that

just about every Democrat who comes under attack by name here is:
--up for re-election in 2006, and
--beating his or her prospective Republican opponent like a rented mule.

[liberal N proud]

6. Oh yeah, They are here - Outside of them slamming the polls

they are singled out relatively quickly in the threads and treated accordingly.
If they post here and express them selves openly, they are usually purged quickly.

Are they the work of KKKarl? Maybe some are, but many of these idiots just drank the kool-aid and are acting on their own.

[Caution]

7. Every single time I see some total nutjob whacked out conspiracy theory

I think it is a freeper attempting to discredit leftists.

[Burning Water]

9. Do you really think

that Rove has sent them out, or could they not just be malicious enough to think of it on their own. I have a hard time believing that Rove has the time, or inclination, to spend much effort on DU, or any blog or website. There's just too much going on. But I could most certainly be wrong. DU has done a lot of damage to the Repukes.

[AtomicKitten]

35. are you familiar with his work?

I would believe just about anything having studied his background.

[...of J.Temperance]

10. I think that DU has been infiltrated by the Far Right AND by the Far Left

And the Far Right AND the Far Left dislike the Democratic Party equally. They certainly loathe Senator Clinton equally, that's just one example.

The Far Right and the Far Left have a lot more in common than they think.

[madfloridian]

12. There are other things both ends of the spectrum agree on as well.

I think there is a lot of that going on here. They say if you keep going on the spectrum, the two sides meet.

But that's just what I heard.

[...of J.Temperance]

16. Well Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle originally were Far Left

And now they've both swung to the Far Right and babble Leo Strauss talking points.

The Far Right and the Far Left are both on the fringe of politics and as such both sections' policies and ideological philosophies are alienating to the mainstream public. Of course, neither section can see this because they exist in a bubble.

We can see this because we exist outside of that bubble.

[400Years]

21. Far Left is freeperspeak

[...of J.Temperance]

32. No it's not, I used the terms Far Right and Far Left

There IS a Far Right and there IS a Far Left, and as I said, they are both political fringes and they both have more in common than they'd like to think.

[AZBlue]

13. Isn't that the truth!

The Far Right and the Far Left have a lot more in common than they think.

[...of J.Temperance]

17. Yes...even if I do say so myself :) n/t

[wyldwolf]

26. A great book that explores your point is "Independent Nation"

[...of J.Temperance]

34. I haven't read that book, so I'll have to get it. Thanks :) n/t

[zanne]

27. LOL! I don't think you have to be an extremist....

to dislike Hilary Clinton!

[Filibuster]

11. You may be right...

A recent Gallup poll showed that 51% of all registered voters say that they "will definitely NOT" vote for Hillary in '08 for pres.. Are we screwed in '08? Who else is there?

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Definitely 16%
vote for


Might consider voting for 32%


Definitely
not vote for 51%


No 1
opinion

[abbiehoff]

24. Who else is there?

How about Wes Clark, Al Gore, Paul Hackett, John Kerry, John Edwards?

I don't know who decided that Hillary was the front runner for '08, but I don't think it was Democrats.

[quinnox]

14. Oh Yea

I think a lot of them pose as disaffected Dems and then proceed to tear the Dems apart every chance they get. Or threaten to leave the party over whatever new issue happens to be in the news. It really is a good cover, always has been here. I always take a large grain of salt when I see the same names slamming the Dems, it is easy to tell when they are consistent.

I see the same thing on free republic when I look at it, there are "repubs" who slam Bush all the time and say they won't vote for him or the GOP party anymore because he isn't conservative enough or some other reason. I think many are Dems in disguise.

[canichelouis]

15. I've been noticing these 'polls'

and the same thought immediatly crossed my mind.
Can't remember any specifics, just the thought, "I hope people don't respond to this one":tinfoilhat:

[AtomicKitten]

29. and the huge swings occur overnight ....

just like the polls the night before the 2002 election.

but i digress ...

[Neil Lisst]

18. Definitely. The smart ones have figured out how to post, too.

They post of lot of fairly innocuous stuff. One line "those repugs" entries. But they slip in a lot of I'M MAD AT THE PARTY stuff, a lot of JOHN KERRY (or whoever) should be blamed. Anything to sow dissension.

I'm sure there are many who only vote and don't post, which impacts the poll numbers.

I read posts, and over time, I spot those who don't really sound like they are behind the party. In fact, they're always railing about the party, usually trying to split it, and usually looking to besmirch someone who has a shot in 08.

Yeah, they're here. I could name three right now, but I won't, because it's not my place. Beware of alleged uberprogessives urging illegalities.

[zanne]

28. Wow. Democrats suddenly don't allow dissent?

Get pissed at the Dem leaders and be considered a freeper? Whoa---"This is the Big Talking Head. You will not disagree with your leaders"...

[AtomicKitten]

30. NO, that's exaggerating, but you're kinda touchy about it, eh?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[...of J.Temperance]

36. I agree with your comments Mr. Neil and I know others that do as well n/t

[MrPrax]

19. Huh?

Who are the freepers now?

Really depends on your perspective...many good democrats here figure that 'other' democrats might as well be freepers...especially over the filibuster issue.

Could be just diversity, you know ;-)

[applegrove]

20. For sure there are some freepers. Don't know who. I hope skinner

is using algorithms to hunt them down. Don't know how he could though.

But there have always been freepers showing up on this site. And when they do their usual job of obfusticating the discussion - they have gotten booted.

So now for sure the odd one. Much more subtle. Don't know how you would stop it.

[catmother]

22. i don't really care. the obvious ones are usualy caught fast. and

if their playing it right so be it. let them see what we think and feel and if its going back to rove or anyone in the administration i say "GOOD". let them feel the pain that we feel when repubs are bashing our people.

[jonnyblitz]

23. so is your definition of a freeper somebody that doesn't

agree with you? are you saying those of us who are angry because the party doesn't fight the Bush administration are "sleeper" freepers, right wingers in disguise sent here to disrupt? why can't some of YOU just realize that some of US actually care about THE ISSUES and are not satisfied with somebody just because they have a "D" next to their name? ISSUES actually matter to some of us. IMAGINE THAT. :crazy:

[AtomicKitten]

31. NO, that's exaggerating (as usual), but you're kinda touchy about it, eh?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[wyldwolf]

25. no, it;'s just made up of a lot of folks with differing opinions

[AtomicKitten]

33. I'd like to believe that.

But when you explore the Rovian "adventures in politics," some of the vignettes are a bit too creepy to allow me to exclude ANYTHING.

No matter. Life goes on.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

37. LOTS OF OTHER STUFF PROVES IT TO ME

Like divisive topics getting loaded with votes and postings, while boards that reveal and attack repuke shortcomings slip quietly from view... I often wonder who actually owns DU.

[AtomicKitten]

39. It's a battle royale WITHIN the party, or allegedly within the party.

Some here at DU are MORE po'd at the Dems than the Rs, and it seems want the Dems to fail regardless of whether or not the Rs stay in power. That's a trade-off I cannot abide or understand.

My 19-year-old son voted for the first time in 2004. What a f*cked up time to enter the world of politics. I for one want a better world for him, and insisting on teaching the Dems a less at the risk of more oppressive, corrupt rule by the Rs is just flat-out wrong.

[Stanchetalarooni]

38. The various polls you refer to are WORTHLESS/MEANINGLESS.

They are propaganda. Go make your own.
Validity and reliability are critical in statistics and the various polls that you are viewing/participating in have neither.

[SteppingRazor]

40. Locking

If you think there are trolls at DU, then use the alert button. If they prove to be trolls, they will be tombstoned. Thanks.